The feature of America is doomed with some of the mindsets some of you possess. Hopefully, as you mature you will come to realize how great this country actually is but until then continue to...
/epeen flex how bad are you because you *don't say the pledge of allegiance*
selfish, spoiled brat, that is all.
Sorry, the Jingoism Convention is two doors to the left.
(Those illegitimate childs, giving honest answers to the thread starter! What devilry is this?!)
Oh how I appreciate your sarcasm.
I was responding to many of the off-topic posts that did not respond to the OP.
As for my highschool, we stood up and the principal said the pledge over the speakers. I didn't join in the ritual of reciting it because I think its pointless after a certain age.
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On June 25th, 2002, the 9th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance is “unconstitutional” and cannot be recited in public schools because it contains the words “under God.” This unbelievable and absurd ruling is yet another salvo from activist judges more interested in making their own law rather than following the Constitution.
http://www.keepthepledge.com/email_a_friend.phpI wonder what schools you guys go to, becuase at mine its "cool" to not stand and recite the pledge. Its "cool" to be a rebel...
Thats why out of a 27-32 person class, only about 10-13 stand up...
One girl said she didn't want to stand up becuase she doesn't like our Government, then no later then 5 minutes later our teacher (off from the topic) asked the class which way north was, and that same girl pointed straight up....
I think she knows what shes talking about seriously
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I wonder what schools you guys go to, becuase at mine its "cool" to not stand and recite the pledge. Its "cool" to be a rebel...
Thats why out of a 27-32 person class, only about 10-13 stand up...
One girl said she didn't want to stand up becuase she doesn't like our Government, then no later then 5 minutes later our teacher (off from the topic) asked the class which way north was, and that same girl pointed straight up....
I think she knows what shes talking about seriously
Sorry, get used to it. People are idiots. 95% of my school is GANGSTARRRR and thinks that
1) Bush is bad cuz the whole world says so
2) It's fun to have some girl holding your arm while you talk out the lyrics to some song by 50 cent, (other rap would so kick all these lamer's asses) act 'thug' in your pink t shirt, and don't do your homework
3) Failing school is cool and you can blame it on the teacher every time.
So anyway, even the kids who do try to learn are freaking idiots, and the preppy female doges are all anti bush because their global teacher is, and my school is half way like Nazi Germany in that case.
(Personally, I still don't see how you can be anti a person because of like 3 of their beliefs when you can agree with plenty of other things they say)
n00b kid's thoughts... v
DAAAAH PLEG IS 4 AMERICA!! EMRICA SUX BUHS RUNS ARMERICA, FUK AMERICA!! ALLAH AKABAR!!
My reasons for not saying the pledge:
"F**k, I gotta do my math homework."
See? It's no silent protest, it doesn't symbolize anything, it doesn't mean anything, I just feel like not doing it. All the other dicks do it to be 'k00l'.
Are you required to say the pledge every morning?
That would really suck. If I was in America then I wouldn't say the pledge for the following reasons:
1. I'm not an American citizen.
2. I disagree with the religious wording. It is a political endorsement of Christianity and thus should be considered unconstitutional.
3. I would have the right not to thanks to West Virginia v. Barnette (1942-3), which ruled that the pledge is not compulsory and people cannot be forced to say it.
4. There are some great ironies in the pledge which make it a bad joke. Liberty and justice for all?
5. The pledge, up until 1942, was accompanied by a Fascist salute. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1892_Pledge_of_Allegiance2.jpg)
6. A pledge is a serious commitment, and I think that it is wrong to be teaching young children to recite something which they do not yet fully understand. It is tantamount to brainwashing.
7. Who pledges allegiance to a flag anyway?
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The feature of America is doomed with some of the mindsets some of you possess. Hopefully, as you mature you will come to realize how great this country actually is but until then continue to...
Brilliant statement. So, what makes America so much better then the other countries out there? America was just lucky.
Also, as CaptainWill said, why should I pledge my allegiance to anything?
I agree with every reason that you listed, Will.
My biggest problem with the pledge is, like Will said, political endorsement of Christianity.
Since I am an American citizen, however, and do still attend school, I recite the pledge, exlcuding the line "under God"...
QUOTE(CaptainWill @ May 29 2006, 02:31 PM)
Not necessarily. It might just be a silent protest against the recent actions of the US.
I don't sing during hymns at school because I simply don't believe in what I'd be singing about. In fact, I bet most people don't believe in it, but feel like they have to sing because 'everyone else' is doing it, otherwise known as the sheep effect.
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yeah same here
i dont like how much power the US has. and they forced us to learn it wehn we were in kindergarden, and i think we gotta put it on the constatution test we gotta take to graduate or w.e it is
Many people, myself included, see the United States flag as a symbol of everything that has been achieved by this country, and of the sacrifice made by others to achieve that success. There is a level of respect deserved for something that stands for so much, whether it be words or action. People who enjoy the liberties of the United States should not actively choose to offend others by open and outright refusal to say the pledge. However, by no means should they be forced to say it. There is a fine line when it comes to peoples rights versus offending the majority.
Will is right in the fact that children in America should not be taught to say the pledge until they understand it.
But, I don't see how it is a Christianity endorsement. The phrase "under God" is added, as far as I understand, to remind that the creators of the United States recognized a divine influence in the creation and maintaining of the nation.
Probably the best way of keeping your own views is Shapechanger's way, just omiting the part of the pledge you don't agree with. I have no problem with people who act in such a way. I wouldn't even be bothered by people who don't say anything. However, it sticks out like a sore thumb when someone doesn't stand up...even though they are allowed to do so.
hey dont get me wrong, i love the idea that we are free. but its cause i dont really pleadge what im saying in that.
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The feature of America is doomed with some of the mindsets some of you possess. Hopefully, as you mature you will come to realize how great this country actually is but until then continue to...
Brilliant statement. So, what makes America so much better then the other countries out there? America was just lucky.
Also, as CaptainWill said, why should I pledge my allegiance to anything?
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The pledge of allegiance is *base-level* loyality to the United States. It teaches (Some may say 'brainwashes' but thats a bit extreme) kids at a early age and continues throughout highschool.
I know I'm going to get misquoted on this.
Reciting, knowing the pledge is a social acceptance, if you don't do it in most cases you are socially deterrent (I mean society as a whole). The same condition is met when lets say, you cut in line. Why do people actually wait in line anyways? Or if you let a total stranger merge on the freeway? You don't know him, but he is American.
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To CaptainWill:
While some of your points of "I wouldn't say the pledge for the following reasons" are honest, most of them are just misleading.
1. Ok, so you aren't an American citizen, then don't say it.
2. The United States was founded with christian morales/beliefs, of course it is going to have christian fundamentals.
3. No one ever said you had to say it, see first two paragraphs here.
4. I don't understand what you mean by this, do you not have liberty and justice?
5. And before 1942, Hitler's salute wasn't socially considered "bad".
6. Again, see my first two paragraphs.
7. The flag is a symbol of our country, you look at the flag as you say it, you can't look 'at the United States of America'. The flag provides directional organization. (Imagine everyone reciting the pledge just all looking in different directions at different levels)Great. It takes a topic about the Pledge of Allegiance to destroy most of my anti-american feelings. Oh well..
@:@, I don't support the U.S. to say that I have default loyalty to it. I just live in it because it's easy and has a decent school system and all (Too many idiots for my liking, though).
I agree with some of the 'counters' to what Captain Will said, I disagree with:
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2. The United States was founded with christian morales/beliefs, of course it is going to have christian fundamentals.
It was founded with the christian beliefs, yes, but now it is considered completely multi-cultural. The past cannot be used as an argument, only the present, and right now it is considered completely multi-cultural.
Not all the founders of the United States were Christian. Most of them were Deists.
However, most United States citizens will identify themselves with a religion. And most of those religions have a being which can be called 'God'. Even if the name is different in some religions, isn't it still a similar belief? Even if the name used isn't one that your religion uses, it shouldn't be the point that creates disunity.
Meh.. During the pledge I either walk around the classroom or just talk to my friends I don't even know what the pledge means or why people recite it. It's not to important. It's not the difference between life or death. So I say screw the pledge.
QUOTE(xszerg @ May 31 2006, 05:08 PM)
Meh.. During the pledge I either walk around the classroom or just talk to my friends I don't even know what the pledge means or why people recite it. It's not to important. It's not the difference between life or death. So I say screw the pledge.
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Thats why I like more intelligent people deciding not to say the pledge then you.
This country was not founded under christian beliefs, it's founded mostly by people who believe in a God. You can't say this is basically christian beliefs because first, God is something believed in by the jews and muslims and maybe even those people who just simply believe in God for whatever reason. Secondly, those aren't even christian beliefs. Apparently, most of you guys don't even know what they are.
When you say, i pledge aleigence, your basically saying youd die for the country, pr w/e simply for the america, i mean yeah, this place has it ups, ad w/e but die for it. Id hapily live in the jung, id love to hunt for my food, i wouldnt care honestly. but thats off topic, basically what im saying is i dont think it should be recited like that,, if someone choses to say it, put the fattie in a sound proof room w/plenty of slop for teh fool, and let him recite it. America is going down hill, and when it hits rock b otom, if your that loyal, then youl be the one waiting on the rock with a baseball bat and a lucky cap hoping to slam er and put right back out there on teh top.
also, the under god 4 sure hould be takin out. Teh bible is nothing but a guide on how to live your life and god nuthing but an idol to put faith i nto. like millenium said. but i myself am an atthiest and most cristians would be willing to kill me righ now im sure. thats my wo centd.
srry, i ramble like a mad man.
You also miss spell like a mad man.