Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-10-30 at 23:46:18
Yeah theres like one or a few lines that say that. Also why is it that (before even the first gulf war) if I travel to a middle east country, with some African countries too, that I need at least 2-4 body guards because I'm Christian and from the West?
Source: Brad Jenisen (Black Water private contracting company)
If you don't know what the Black Water company is:
BlackWater website
Source: Brad Jenisen (Black Water private contracting company)
If you don't know what the Black Water company is:
BlackWater website
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-10-31 at 00:23:06
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Kashmir:
This is just a talk and Im sorry if it is seen as a flame, but we are just talking and we have the freedom to talk about it. You wouldn't be suggesting we close this talk would you? Also why are you defending Islam? I thought you hated all religion becuase it blinds people or something to that extent.
This is just a talk and Im sorry if it is seen as a flame, but we are just talking and we have the freedom to talk about it. You wouldn't be suggesting we close this talk would you? Also why are you defending Islam? I thought you hated all religion becuase it blinds people or something to that extent.
I never once stated I'm defending islam, but all you biased christians/jews are ganging up on a religion you know next to nothing about, except that some people in the name of it are killing civilians... sounds like the crusades and the fact the crusaders pillaged, raped, and looted MILLIONS of people.
Again, I'm sick of your assumptions.. you haven't changed. I never once said to close this discussion, though it was created from a biased point of view... even the title is a bit biased. (With a spelling mistake no less.)
Yes I am athiest, but how do my beliefs matter? You bring useless information into a topic to fill a space to make it seem as if it matters.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-10-31 at 00:33:30
Yes, the topic was leading, an attack on Islam and generally rubbish.
However, if I closed topics based on those rules then there wouldn't be many left, so carry on.
However, if I closed topics based on those rules then there wouldn't be many left, so carry on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-10-31 at 00:44:32
I believe any religion is okay to practice as long as you don't force it among others. Sadly though, many extremests put religion in a bad light, when in reality, most religious people just want general moral guidelines. Of course, most athiests will claim that the church is just trying to keep a hold of you. You can be religious and not go to church, so if athiests believe church does it for control, then what about those who don't attend but still practice the belief? I suppose that could go anywhere depending on the person, oh well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-31 at 01:44:27
What your trying to say is, extremist atheists are retarded and so is every other extremist religious people. If you think about it, all 3 religion of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam says "You don't believe in God, you are going to hell and literally, hell is fire so what the hell."
Like that. I'am a Christian, but never really extremist. I practice my beliefs rather not so secretly but not so obsessial.
know how kiddish this whole religious struggle is is that people fight over such small things and cause it to kill many others which really is dumb because the religion actually teaches it not to kill.
Like that. I'am a Christian, but never really extremist. I practice my beliefs rather not so secretly but not so obsessial.
know how kiddish this whole religious struggle is is that people fight over such small things and cause it to kill many others which really is dumb because the religion actually teaches it not to kill.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-10-31 at 12:31:35
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And my source IS the Quran and NOT a interpretation, its the text, every passage is cited man...
Then you would have posted in arabic.. (Or possibly aramaic..?) 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-10-31 at 15:04:45
Christianity is just as intolerant as Islam may be percieved to be, if not more. Let's not forget the Crusades, where Christians didn't just launch a few terrorist attacks, they launched wars.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-10-31 at 15:15:00
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I would say there isn't many who actually follow the above text BUT there is a large amount of people who support those radicals and an even bigger group who sits idle and doesn't do anything to stop the radicals...
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Every religion, every country, every continent (whatever) has it's own extremists. Why is Islam so special?
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On the bus one day there was a muslim and a white girl, they was arguing and then the muslim said "we are invading england and taking control." To many that may mean nothing but if you was there you would of known that he wasn't joking.
A Muslim girl in my class started drawing all over the desk saying "England Sucks" and making racial comments about white people.
I was walking with my best friend called Tashan, he is half cast (white mother, black father) and his mother. We just left the shops and then a group of 12 Muslims started shouting N***a at him.
I came from England which anybody that has visited or lived there will know, England is covered in Muslims and almost all of them i have met were racist to white people AND black people and would always claim that we were racist to them.
Basically i find them to be very intolerant of other religions and races, yet claim that we are intolerant of them because of their color -- all though in some cases people are racist, they are generally detestable human beinges towards other people and then when they get what they deserve, claim it is racism.
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A Muslim girl in my class started drawing all over the desk saying "England Sucks" and making racial comments about white people.
I was walking with my best friend called Tashan, he is half cast (white mother, black father) and his mother. We just left the shops and then a group of 12 Muslims started shouting N***a at him.
I came from England which anybody that has visited or lived there will know, England is covered in Muslims and almost all of them i have met were racist to white people AND black people and would always claim that we were racist to them.
Basically i find them to be very intolerant of other religions and races, yet claim that we are intolerant of them because of their color -- all though in some cases people are racist, they are generally detestable human beinges towards other people and then when they get what they deserve, claim it is racism.
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Everything written above is like "OMG A CHRISTIAN ROBBED ME TODAY!". Morons are everywhere.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-10-31 at 15:34:00
Islam is ok, if you ask me. Yes they are intolerant, but why the heck they should be. I mean you can't ask a nation to be a tolerant nation. Terrorists? Well they have their goals and reasons. If somebody wouldn't use that they are intolerant and piss them off they wouldn't be terrorists but farmers, you know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-31 at 16:19:11
How did this topic go from discussion to flaming to other topics? Lets try to keep on topic people.
I don't think we are talking about the past right now.
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Christianity is just as intolerant as Islam may be percieved to be, if not more. Let's not forget the Crusades, where Christians didn't just launch a few terrorist attacks, they launched wars.
I don't think we are talking about the past right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-10-31 at 16:39:49
Christians are like "zOmg Muslims are teh devil!" Muslims are like "zOmg Christians are teh devil!" Jews are like "we're teh be$t!" Hindus are like "we're better than yu0!" Buddhists are like "let's have peace." The rest of the world is like "omg STFU and sit down." <-- My current take on religions.
In many ways, the occupation of Iraq is like a Christian crusade. I'm pretty sure that it was mainly Christian backing that got us in there (I didn't support its invasion even way back in... ah... was it ninth grade?). Well anyway, we could argue that point, but every religion has its crazies. For my own part, I think most religions are highly hypocritical, but who am I to contest the inherently correct word of God?
In many ways, the occupation of Iraq is like a Christian crusade. I'm pretty sure that it was mainly Christian backing that got us in there (I didn't support its invasion even way back in... ah... was it ninth grade?). Well anyway, we could argue that point, but every religion has its crazies. For my own part, I think most religions are highly hypocritical, but who am I to contest the inherently correct word of God?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-10-31 at 18:06:23
Also don't forget that Christianity is a religion of love and peace.
Lutheran vs Catholic
Catholic: They believe in the same god but in a different way than we believe, let's burn them down!
Where was the love and peace?
Lutheran vs Catholic
Catholic: They believe in the same god but in a different way than we believe, let's burn them down!
Where was the love and peace?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-31 at 18:12:02
Same thing with Iraq vs Iran war. They believed in same islam, but styles were different which caused a war.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-10-31 at 20:36:22
QUOTE(Felagund @ Oct 31 2006, 01:39 PM)
Christians are like "zOmg Muslims are teh devil!" Muslims are like "zOmg Christians are teh devil!" Jews are like "we're teh be$t!" Hindus are like "we're better than yu0!" Buddhists are like "let's have peace." The rest of the world is like "omg STFU and sit down." <-- My current take on religions.
In many ways, the occupation of Iraq is like a Christian crusade. I'm pretty sure that it was mainly Christian backing that got us in there (I didn't support its invasion even way back in... ah... was it ninth grade?). Well anyway, we could argue that point, but every religion has its crazies. For my own part, I think most religions are highly hypocritical, but who am I to contest the inherently correct word of God?
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In many ways, the occupation of Iraq is like a Christian crusade. I'm pretty sure that it was mainly Christian backing that got us in there (I didn't support its invasion even way back in... ah... was it ninth grade?). Well anyway, we could argue that point, but every religion has its crazies. For my own part, I think most religions are highly hypocritical, but who am I to contest the inherently correct word of God?
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1st Paragrapgh: I must agree, Religion causes so much trouble...
2nd Paragrapgh: With you saying the Invasion beings imilar to a Crusade. Suppsoviley, everytime we invade a Middle Eastern country they consder it a crusade against them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-11-01 at 04:36:37
It is possible that these Middle Eastern people are obsessed and superstitious of their god. Ever wonder if there is such a thing? Hell. I am even Christian, but I don't take everything I do the will of god, or anything comparison to religion. I don't want to believe that god controls me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-11-01 at 13:06:18
QUOTE(Lithium @ Nov 1 2006, 05:36 AM)
Hell. I am even Christian, but I don't take everything I do the will of god, or anything comparison to religion. I don't want to believe that god controls me.
If God controls you... how can he judge you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BlackerWinter on 2006-11-01 at 16:45:26
He doesn't control you. We have free will, but since God is omnipotent its like he sees where we started on a line, and the line is colored up until where we are on the line, then its not highlighted beyond it, but he sees the ending point and everything in between that is yet to happen. Our God is not a God of chaos; He is very organized and structured. Things don't happen by coincidence or accident, they were meant to happen and such. So in that respect he is in control but lets you make the decision to accept or reject his truth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-11-01 at 17:34:30
This is about if Islam is a tolerate Religion, not trying to convert people into Christianity, let's get back on topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-11-01 at 17:55:07
Islam in fact is a tolerant reason. It's just how you translate the bible of Islam which is the Quran.
On a side note...And the Muslim people think it is a crusade, but they are still retarded and idiotic because the U.S. didn't force Christianity on them.
Muslim Terrorists are effectively brainwashed by its own religion.
On a side note...And the Muslim people think it is a crusade, but they are still retarded and idiotic because the U.S. didn't force Christianity on them.
Muslim Terrorists are effectively brainwashed by its own religion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-11-01 at 20:46:45
lol a lot of people don't like me now for starting this topic, is it because you don't like what you are hearing? Or is it because you plain old don't like me? *cough* Kashmir *cough*
For all the righteousness in your post, Kashmir, there are a lot of assumptions about me as well (ex: how would I know little about Islam if I quoted the Quran and even started this topic?), but thats not what the topic is about so lets get back on track.
New question for the debate:
Is it really Islam, or just the culture of the people living in that region? EX: Instead of Islam being the dominate religion in that region, Christianity was. Would there be the same amount of violence and intolerance in the region if Christianity was the dominant religion?
For all the righteousness in your post, Kashmir, there are a lot of assumptions about me as well (ex: how would I know little about Islam if I quoted the Quran and even started this topic?), but thats not what the topic is about so lets get back on track.
New question for the debate:
Is it really Islam, or just the culture of the people living in that region? EX: Instead of Islam being the dominate religion in that region, Christianity was. Would there be the same amount of violence and intolerance in the region if Christianity was the dominant religion?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-11-02 at 02:09:50
Yes. The culture of that area and how it did not change. They are infact super duper holy mighty awesomely conservatives. And if you are a conservative, you cannot easily change a conservative.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-11-02 at 02:34:50
QUOTE(Lithium @ Nov 2 2006, 01:55 AM)
Islam in fact is a tolerant reason. It's just how you translate the bible of Islam which is the Quran.
On a side note...And the Muslim people think it is a crusade, but they are still retarded and idiotic because the U.S. didn't force Christianity on them.
Muslim Terrorists are effectively brainwashed by its own religion.
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On a side note...And the Muslim people think it is a crusade, but they are still retarded and idiotic because the U.S. didn't force Christianity on them.
Muslim Terrorists are effectively brainwashed by its own religion.
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U.S. invaded Iraq lol.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BlackerWinter on 2006-11-02 at 13:19:18
WoAHorde2 I think u missed what my connection was. Muslims believe that there is one god-- Allah, and so does Christianity. Many true muslims believe that we worship the same God. We differ in our "inspired" books though, thats many people's arguments
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-11-02 at 17:23:50
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Nov 1 2006, 08:46 PM)
lol a lot of people don't like me now for starting this topic, is it because you don't like what you are hearing? Or is it because you plain old don't like me? *cough* Kashmir *cough*
For all the righteousness in your post, Kashmir, there are a lot of assumptions about me as well (ex: how would I know little about Islam if I quoted the Quran and even started this topic?), but thats not what the topic is about so lets get back on track.
New question for the debate:
Is it really Islam, or just the culture of the people living in that region? EX: Instead of Islam being the dominate religion in that region, Christianity was. Would there be the same amount of violence and intolerance in the region if Christianity was the dominant religion?
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For all the righteousness in your post, Kashmir, there are a lot of assumptions about me as well (ex: how would I know little about Islam if I quoted the Quran and even started this topic?), but thats not what the topic is about so lets get back on track.
New question for the debate:
Is it really Islam, or just the culture of the people living in that region? EX: Instead of Islam being the dominate religion in that region, Christianity was. Would there be the same amount of violence and intolerance in the region if Christianity was the dominant religion?
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It's not hard to quote the Koran. You searched on the internet for quotes and posted them up and started a thread about it because you do not believe Islam is tolerant. You don't know much about Muslim people. Maybe you know a little about the Koran, but not the bulk of Islam: the people, the practice.
Second, yes. It's the culture. Had Christianity arose in Arabia, there would still be violence. Why? Study the barbaric practices in Arabia before Islam came, and even afterwards.
Lastly, terrorists are not brainwashed by their own religions, they use religion to brainwash others. That's the real terror of it: religions getting mauled and twisted by terrorists to make children suicide bomb.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoAHorde2 on 2006-11-02 at 17:27:20
QUOTE(BlackerWinter @ Nov 2 2006, 10:19 AM)
WoAHorde2 I think u missed what my connection was. Muslims believe that there is one god-- Allah, and so does Christianity. Many true muslims believe that we worship the same God. We differ in our "inspired" books though, thats many people's arguments
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I guess you missed my post as well. Muslims consider Muhammad to be THE LAST PROPHET of Judasim/Christianity. All 3 Religions believe in the same god, technicaly.