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Well, it sort of makes sense. Because of evolutionary reasons, most men want sex a lot more than most women do.

Sorry to break it to you, but technically there's nothing wrong with homosexuality, and neither is there anything wrong with pedophilia just as long as the pedophile is able to control their sexual desires.

It's doubtful. I mean, once he knows the decoy is in fact a decoy, he can make that excuse whether or not he knew beforehand. Also, if he was already going after the decoy before he knew who she was, then at one point he did do something he thought at the time was wrong.

There is something wrong with pedophila. It hurts a child's mind and hurts them physically. Childrens are innocent, yet pedofiles chooses to take advantage of them.

Homosexuality is like a HUGE BLOCK infront of the struggle of human survival. They stop the reproduction of humans.

Well I hate to sound shrewd, but homosexuality is wrong and any dimwit can tell you penis and vagina go together.

With the NBC and saying he did it cause he knew they were cops. It's like knowing your being watched by the cops and taking baking flour on your front porch and snorting it. It's also conspiracy to do a crime though because you can't always tell when it's a girl or a 30 year old cop. They also use 16 year old girls so the person can't try to get away with that because they were actual 16 or less year olds.

I covered that. Please reread what I said. Everything I said. Yes, including the second part of that last sentence.

Okay, let's take a look at your logic.

P1: Penises and vaginas operate well together.
P2: Homosexual intercourse involves putting two penises or two vaginas together.
C: Homosexuality is immoral.

Okay then. I have an extension cord here with a socket on one end and a plug on the other (plugs being the ones that fit into the sockets). It seems to work well if I stick the plug end into the wall socket. So we'll return to your logic with this in mind.

P1: Plugs and sockets operate well together.
P2: Mismatching electrical cords involves putting two plugs or two sockets together.
C: Mismatching electrical cords is immoral.

So, now you have three valid options:
1. Stop and ask God for forgiveness every time you touch two plugs or two sockets together.
2. Find some other evidence, valid evidence this time, that shows homosexuality is wrong.
3. Admit that I am right.

Yes, that sounds correct. Which I suppose is one good reason to use kids as decoys rather than adults. ;P

Sex is a bigger issue than plugs and sockets. If two sockets and two plugs don't go together how do you get baby sockets and baby plugs? You don't because nature and god intended it to be diffrent.

Okay, you're starting to get somewhere. Now we need to know just how sex is different from plugging in electrical cords such that matching two devices of the same time is immoral in the first case but not in the second case.

They are made in a factory. Is your point here that being tolerant towards homosexuality will cause fewer babies to be born?

Penis+Vagina=Baby (don't include contraception)

Penis+Anus=Nothing

Vagina+Tongue=Nothing

If god intended for penis and a anus to make a baby or a vagina and a tongue (or whatever lesbians do) he would have had it so people could have babies that way so you can't. It is not natural.

If your going use an example like plugs and sockets go along with it instead of saying made in a factory because that is not a metaphor.

I dont know how this got into plugs and sockets but if you forgot its about people that are over 30 hooking up with girls under 18 online.

If "God" felt that homosexuality was immortal, then he shouldn't have made it a genetic condition, nor should he have made homosexual animals.

Small correction here. Assuming that the people having sex are enjoying it (which makes sense considering they're doing it, I mean we're not talking about rape here), the list should look more like this:

Penis+vagina=pleasure+baby
Penis+anus=pleasure
Vagina+tongue=pleasure

We're not too worried about the last one, since it is not explicitly homosexual or heterosexual, and does not produce anything that the second one doesn't also produce. Now, your claim is that the second one is wrong while the first one is okay. If the results of both were exactly the same, then this would be impossible, so the results must be different (which we can see they are), and that difference must be what makes one okay and the other not okay. So, the difference is (penis+vagina)-(penis+anus), which simple algebra shows is the same as (pleasure+baby)-pleasure, which again simple algebra shows is equal to baby. And since penis+anus is morally wrong and penis+vagina is morally okay, the addition of the baby changed the moral value of the process from negative to positive. Which means pleasure has a negative moral value. That's right. According to your logic, pleasure is bad.

Which again gives you three valid options:
1. Hold the position that pleasure is bad.
2. Point out where I made a mistake in my reasoning.
3. Abandon this argument and find some other argument that works.

I don't believe it's genetic, I believe it's based off your environment. Of course, it's basically impossible to prove this since everybody percieves things differently in their lives so you can't have a "control" person to base your findings on.

When your doing things that are first immoral second against nature third serious and all just for pleasure you should think twice and ask god for forgiveness and stop doing it.

Zero, nobody is perfect. We are all immoral on some level, we're all hypocritical, we're not all religious, and we don't give a crap.

The vast majority of scientists believe that homosexuality is at least part, if not all, genetic.
One twin study, showing the reoccurrence of homosexuality among identical, fraternal, and adopted twins states that:

Bailey and Pillard (1991): occurrence of homosexuality among brothers

* 52% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual men were likewise homosexual
* 22% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
* 11% of adoptive brothers of homosexual men were likewise homosexual

While 52% may not seem like a big number (it's just barely over half!), the fact that the percentage of homosexual identical twins who have a homosexual twin's number is over two times larger than fraternal twins, who do not share the exactly the same genes, and the fact that it is almost five times larger than unrelated brothers, strongly suggests a correlation between genetics and brothers.

Bailey and Pillard also did another study that compared homosexuality among identical, fraternal, and adopted sisters:

Bailey and Pillard (1993): occurrence of homosexuality among sisters

* 48% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual women were likewise homosexual (lesbian)
* 16% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
* 6% of adoptive sisters of homosexual women were likewise homosexual

My source for this information is from this article: http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/sexorient/twins.html

Also, another indication of homosexuality being genetic involves this article:
http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm

And, if you do not believe that some animals are homosexual, check out this article:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5005961,00.html



I have an objection to this logic, as it would indicate that sterile or infertile people should not have sex. As, Penis + Vagina + Infertility/Sterility = Nothing in this case as well. If you're going to use that argument, argue against infertile or sterile having sex as well.
The fact is, the evidence points towards homosexuality as being largely genetic.



What's wrong with a little pleasure? If God put us on Earth, would he not want us to enjoy our life? If not, God seems to be a jerk. Here, I'm going to give you something that you REALLY enjoy, but you can't do it unless you just want to make babies, despite the fact that the world is overpopulated as it is.

Thats genetic though that doesnt mean it is how nature intended it.

How does nature have a will? Nature is merely a category used to summarize the extent of the flora, fauna, and geography of the world. Nature did not intend it merely because it cannot intend anything. If anything, homosexuality is intended because it occurs in nature.

And if by nature you mean an all-powerful god, then why couldn't he/she/it change it?

On the contrary, statistics have shown that homosexuality is based largely on genetics.

It's rather difficult for me to come up with a response for this, especially as I myself am not homosexual. Can you give me an rough idea which of the three options you're taking?

Hmm... Say, are you aware that homosexual behavior has been observed among animals as well?

That is an iffy one. It would depend on the arresting officer



Read what Holy said..... The question was, if he knows that it is not an underage person, can they still get busted for going to the house.




So, your saying that I cant have sex with my girlfreind in the butt? Whats wrong with that?




How about... read this!



Good job likening the sex with the plugs. It makes it easyer for some people to think of it that way. all this really proves is that its not easy to be gay, Which I hear is true



True, gay couples cant have kids of there own (naturally that is) BUT we DO have lots of kids without parents out there. and thats where most gay couples get there children






Ever heard of freedom of choice?



Listen, were not talking about gays here, were talking about " sexual predators." There was a quote way up there that i couldn't find it but it said something along the lines of " they feel bad cus they wanna do it again" or something like that.

This is true. The main reason that MOST of the people do anything like this is the feeling that they get because they KNOW its wrong. Its just like your first time sluffing school. You know its wrong, but you do it anyway. Then that feeling of defiance will life you up for the rest of the day. THATS what there going for. This is also what all the drug users (IE me and my weed ) and theifs are going for when they do it.... then they HAVE to do it cus that feeling is just as addictive as any drug out there.....

Thats my two bits...

Well I hate to sound mean against dogs, but most puppys that I have seen are gay till they life their leg.



None of the options because there all baised.



I do agree it is based somewhat on genetics, but I beleive the enviroment is mostly the cause.

On the contrary, they are the only logically valid options, and the last is actually quite lenient (at least for the time being). However, if you would like to suggest another option which you believe is logically valid, or some way of showing how one or more of my options is not valid, I'd be interested to see it.

Environment may be responsible to some extent, yes. It also seems likely that homosexual activity would be more based on environment than homosexual feelings (the former being a conscious decision while the latter is not). The precise fractions would be very hard to determine, of course.

Your feelings are heavily influenced by the environment. Homosexuality is a sexual preference. Preferences are built upon your environment. For example, you go see your first horror movie, you don't like it, therefore you prefer to not see a horror movie the next time you go to the theatres. I'd imagine sexual preference would come from self-criticism, how you believe others think of yourself, and your social experiences in general.

Statistics can be misleading for many reasons, some of which include the number of people used in the test, the fact that the people making the statistics are unaware of the person's complete life, place where they interviewed people, etc.

I'll leave the Homosexuality is a preference arguement to Wilhelm though since he enjoys debating that subject so.

As far as pedophilia goes, the differences between homosexuality include: generally isn't consensual, a child isn't at the appropriate age to have sex, the child could be manipulated etc.

No offense, but arguments based on semantics are weak at best. It is not exactly viable to say that since we call it a sexual preference, that it actually is a preference. For example, if I called you a goose, and everyone else called you a goose, you still wouldn't be a goose. It's the same case here. While people may call it a preference, it still isn't one by the definition of the word, it is just called that. In fact, one could say that it is a misnomer.

I have one question for you cow. Do you find men attractive?

I ask this to prove a point. Yes, being gay is a CHOISE that you can make. There are times that gey is not a choicem but they are very few.

Why are we talking about being gay?

Its a topic about pedophilia...... Isnt it?

No, I do not find men attractive. However, this is not a choice that I consciously make. It is a choice decided by my genetic makeup and enzymes that are released in the brain. As I am not capable of controlling the methods in which my brain works, I could not choose to be sexually attracted to men.

What does that mean for someone that is bi-sexual, do they have a little of both or are they attracted to one but kind of start to be attracted to the other?