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Leo FTW!

I see that a lot of people are Leos.. including Doodan xD. So if you want to be stalked, let me know. I wonder what Moose, IP, Yoshi, and/or (U)Bolt_Head's or TuxedoTemplar's sign's are? EH!?

Not even your birthday? I see thousands of people on MySpace and they don't care. While I was young during 2000, like seven years ago I was 14 years old and my parents we're a bit strict about the internet but I managed to tell my real age, ethnicity, live, etc as long if they don't contact with my IP Address, passwords, in-person met, etc. There's this one time I accidently told Kow (or somebody) my last name, and there was no way I liked how he reacted.


What you said mainly are basicly stereotypes. But what Doodan mean't about Stalkers is something different. The definition of stalkers to you is people who are just stupid, pointless and annoying (could be "SPAP" if P is replaced) but what Doodan mean't is people who have the same horoscopes as him.


It's his fault, there was this one time in Battle.net when I saw somebody used his phone number as his account name. I know because he used "415", and that's my city's area code. Second of all, that's not me but I told him about it and he said "OMFG, are you serious? Don't call me!" but it was back in 2005 or 2004.


How about, a person named "John Smith" that lives in the United States in any city while his gender is male and his ethnicity is white (maybe African American). Basicly, there's over 50 in one city, imagine that in the entire United States. They don't have to believe in religions, neither how tall they are but surely, there is a lot of them.


Not all horoscope websites are correct, usually if they have "day-to-day" is because they're predictions and sometimes it's right. If you know me well, I had a College Teacher (Or High School Teacher) and she made a website about the facts of Horoscopes and no way it can't be found in google the first page. About everything she mentioned was right, after looking into detailed specific information. And I went to her site half a year ago so I don't know what's the URL. By the way, even though she made a site about horoscopes, it's true. The sites you've probably went into is either from google that sometimes aren't reliable or using the Encyclopedia, and usually they have facts about almost everything in life but they're not always right.
If I had the link to that site, I would've done it right away but if I did know, I would've put it up anyways.


Didn't I just told you? I had a college teacher who made her site about horoscopes. But prove me wrong about this because here's my oppinion about myself, I'm an expert on arguements and if I know I'm wrong, then I wouldn't bother trying as long if proving the other person wrong. Second of all, I'm not bragging, just an FYI because most people would say that I "start" arguements or think I'm trolling, then again I'll be doing my best to be right.


Also, don't even try to argue with me, it's either from your perspective that you think I'm wrong or that you'll just think you're right that you'll just laugh. Secondly, don't even start with the long posts because I don't want to ever type this long again. Third, if you don't believe in horoscopes, then what's the point of you even pointing how fakee horoscopes are? It's either you want attention or that people should stay away from this poll. From your perspective, I believe you think horoscope is more like a religious belief. I think not.

Feel safe with us around or else regret it!

As for 'two sides' there are also waning and waxing houses: for example, when I was younger I exhibited libra tendencies, and is my waning and waxing house. I wish I remember how to calculate those, but I forget.

I see thousands of people on MySpace too, and I they're about the last people I want to be like.

I know what stalking is, but like I say that's not really what I'm worried about.

Uh...wait a second. Are you sending me to a site that actually explains the mechanics of astrology, or just one that gives me 'accurate' horoscopes? Besides, either way how am I to tell which site is the one you're talking about? I don't know your teacher's name or the site name or anything.

o.O How fast do you type? I think I usually type at around 80 WPM or so.

Nah, I don't mind how many people go to this poll. Basically it's just a poll on what time of year your birthday is, and that's a fact which isn't really debatable. What I want people to stay away from is actually wasting their time on horoscopes.

Well, they do share many characteristics.

It doesn't mean you're the only one. In fact, I don't own a MySpace account and I have a lot of friends from person who does own a MySpace account. The ideal of MySpace is to meet new friends virtually while looking their faces, personal information, etc. Secondly, it's like another way of communication other than phones and person-to-person talk.


So why did you even brought that up?


It's accurate if you'd ask me. As I said, you can't find her site in a search engine, it's one of those rare websites (I think) that only specific people could read it. Usually if teachers put up their sites, it's only kept a secret to their students even though it's like a public website... even though it is but it's a rare website that you can't even find.


Does that actually matter? I don't even want to talk about over 3 or 4 off-topic messages. Secondly, is that how you usually talk before you think?


Oh really? Explain this, why do people believe in horoscopes? What you're doing basicly is killing the topic and no way I want that.


Okay, if they share then what are the similarities? Religion is based on belief while Horoscope has researchers. There are like a lot of religions, Christian, Catholic, Buddah, Chinese Buddah, Islam, Jewish, etc and no way that they relate to each other, just a belief that there are gods. Usually beliefs about gods will make people think happily, and a religion like Islam and Buddah comes from hardwork and dedication so it just makes people think there is an afterlife because of course nobody wants to die except some who are sick of life.

And for Horoscopes, they have researchers, and they study the stars, etc. You may read some planet words to make you think it's fake. Also, if Religion has so many beliefs, then why does Horoscope only has 2? One is the common horoscope like this poll and the other is a Chinese horoscope. The horoscope in this forum is not even a belief, they have plenty of researchers that can predict better than weather forcast peoplef. And if horoscope is fake, then why do people that are born on late February and early March are very lazy? Why do specific horoscopes and their opposite (Like Scorpio to Taurus) likes each other? I've seen "best friends" and "lovers" usually have opposing horoscopes like how an Aries somehow likes a Libra even though one is ongoing and the other is a hardworker. As for Chinese Horoscope, look at the perspective of animal of the year. Ask most of your friends "What's your birthday?", I think some or most of them will be the opposing horoscope but I don't know about Cancers and Capricorns though.

Explain me how horoscopes doesn't work well, because what you believe about horoscope is fake and you just seem to bring this topic down and there's no way I want that.

I didn't. Other people did, and I was saying that wasn't the primary reason I keep my information off the Internet.

I understand that. This fits with the pattern of astrology tricking people into thinking it works through making claims that are much more ambiguous than they sound.

Well, people have evolved to see patterns and to be superstitious, and astrology takes advantage of both. Also, it gives people a sense of comfort if they think they magically know what will happen to them in the future and that they can plan for it, and people have a tendency to believe things that make them feel good.

- Neither of them are backed up by scientific evidence.
- Both of them give people an increased sense of understanding and purpose.
- Both of them make good use of appealing to emotions in order to keep people believing in them.
- Both of them generally require the existence of what I like to call 'complex forces'- laws of physics which do not act in a simple manner. Not only have these forces not been scientifically observed, but as far as I know no complex forces of any kind have ever been scientifically observed.

I could probably make the list longer, but I think that's enough to go on for the moment.

Trust me, there are many people who 'research' religion as well. However so far no sufficient scientific evidence for either has been found.

While this is true, studying the stars doesn't reveal anything about people's daily lives on Earth unless some physical phenomenon exists that relates to both. For example, we can study stars and see how they fuse light elements into heavier elements, and quickly figure out that most heavy elements present on Earth probably came from supernovas. However, so far I haven't heard of any scientifically documented physical phenomenon that relates the positions of stars and planets and whether people on Earth are going to suddenly become rich or be successful in their love lives or whatever.

Because it is much more specific than religion and superstitions in general. Many isolated cultures came up with religion, but only a few came up with the specific superstition of relating the positions of other planets and the activities of people on Earth. I'm sure various other cultures have come up with other highly specific superstitions which you haven't even heard about. Anyway, in recent decades fast communication and transport has made isolated cultures, which were the norm of the ancient world, almost nonexistent, and as a result all the superstitions got mixed around the world and a few of them (such as astrology) happened to come out on top and acquired many believers.

But is this particularly the case, though? And are the statistics really too prominent to be accounted for by coincidence, effects of the horoscopes themselves or some unrelated biological effect?

I already linked to a page which pretty thoroughly debunked astrology. However, in case you weren't around to see it, I'll post it again:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html
For the moment, that's the basis of my argument against astrology actually working. And until someone finds a mistake or a loophole in it, it will suffice- and if someone does succeed in finding a mistake or a loophole, I will either one, agree that astrology works, or two, find a refutation for their new argument (probably the latter).

I'm not trying to do that. I'm just trying to clear up the misconceptions that astrology actually works and make it clear that when your birthday is doesn't really affect you in any way besides dictating your current age. I'm not saying astrological signs don't exist, so this poll remains valid. I'm just saying they don't guide your life.

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I didn't. Other people did, and I was saying that wasn't the primary reason I keep my information off the Internet.
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The "internet", then why does Wikipedia, one of the best sources of the internet doesn't go with you? Explain that.

[quote=green_meklar,Jan 9 2007, 04:49 PM]
I understand that. This fits with the pattern of astrology tricking people into thinking it works through making claims that are much more ambiguous than they sound.
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Tricking? If it were tricking people, then why do people born on March always seem lazy (Or weird)? How come most people who are born in December are nervous (Or reckless)? Why do most Taurus make a lot of jokes (Or serious jokes)? Do you see people who are nervous born from December is also in May or August? If it was tricking people, that's more like choosing numbers like 9, 18, 27 with the same picture while the rest are random and that's called tricking.

[quote=green_meklar,Jan 9 2007, 04:49 PM]
Well, people have evolved to see patterns and to be superstitious, and astrology takes advantage of both. Also, it gives people a sense of comfort if they think they magically know what will happen to them in the future and that they can plan for it, and people have a tendency to believe things that make them feel good.
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What you're focusing on is predictions and the future, what about their personallities?

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- Neither of them are backed up by scientific evidence.
- Both of them give people an increased sense of understanding and purpose.
- Both of them make good use of appealing to emotions in order to keep people believing in them.
- Both of them generally require the existence of what I like to call 'complex forces'- laws of physics which do not act in a simple manner. Not only have these forces not been scientifically observed, but as far as I know no complex forces of any kind have ever been scientifically observed.

I could probably make the list longer, but I think that's enough to go on for the moment.
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Horoscope | Religion

[quote=green_meklar,Jan 9 2007, 04:49 PM]
Trust me, there are many people who 'research' religion as well. However so far no sufficient scientific evidence for either has been found.
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People who research religion is usually against religion. They'll find evidence of how they thought the black plague was caused by god but in scientific theories, was caused by a disease. And the other side who "researches" religion, are people who works for the Church known as Priests, Nuns, etc.

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While this is true, studying the stars doesn't reveal anything about people's daily lives on Earth unless some physical phenomenon exists that relates to both. For example, we can study stars and see how they fuse light elements into heavier elements, and quickly figure out that most heavy elements present on Earth probably came from supernovas. However, so far I haven't heard of any scientifically documented physical phenomenon that relates the positions of stars and planets and whether people on Earth are going to suddenly become rich or be successful in their love lives or whatever.
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Oh really? What if the Stars does affect people's personallities. They're not always accurate but what you mentioned basicly is predictions. What horoscope is mainly about is their personallities, predictions is another story. I don't believe in predictions but they have facts about personallities.

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Because it is much more specific than religion and superstitions in general. Many isolated cultures came up with religion, but only a few came up with the specific superstition of relating the positions of other planets and the activities of people on Earth. I'm sure various other cultures have come up with other highly specific superstitions which you haven't even heard about. Anyway, in recent decades fast communication and transport has made isolated cultures, which were the norm of the ancient world, almost nonexistent, and as a result all the superstitions got mixed around the world and a few of them (such as astrology) happened to come out on top and acquired many believers.
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Go to the links I provided above. Then prove your point.

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But is this particularly the case, though? And are the statistics really too prominent to be accounted for by coincidence, effects of the horoscopes themselves or some unrelated biological effect?
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Just think about it. If it were coincidences, why is it too often? There are rare moments when opposing sides meet as best friends just like love. People who opposes love and goes homosexuallity is somethng different. But it's not about that, the question is... why is it too often?

I already linked to a page which pretty thoroughly debunked astrology. However, in case you weren't around to see it, I'll post it again:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html
For the moment, that's the basis of my argument against astrology actually working. And until someone finds a mistake or a loophole in it, it will suffice- and if someone does succeed in finding a mistake or a loophole, I will either one, agree that astrology works, or two, find a refutation for their new argument (probably the latter).
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You didn't link that URL to me, you linked that URL to everybody. I didn't get the chance to even read it. Also for the "stars", as mentioned they stars because they use planets and planets are based on Greek Gods. I'm not putting this into religion but from that site it said a planet into a planet but it's just names. I mean seriously, who would've thought that other planets can change Earth's personallities. Basicly, planet's names are from Greek Gods and Greek Gods happens to do some facts like how Aries is the God of War. They're not only God of War but many people who are born as an Aries like Napolean Bonaparte happens to lead a war or fight whats right. People who are born in March happens to be lazy and weird compared to other people who isn't a Pisces. And most people in specific horoscopes are common to one and the other but of course they're not all the same.

If that website was accurate, then why do most people think horoscopes are true? That websites just brings down predictions mostly, not personallities I assume. And if that site was accurate, then why is it infamous? It's more like found in a search engine in page 33.

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I'm not trying to do that. I'm just trying to clear up the misconceptions that astrology actually works and make it clear that when your birthday is doesn't really affect you in any way besides dictating your current age. I'm not saying astrological signs don't exist, so this poll remains valid. I'm just saying they don't guide your life.
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Then why did this poll recently died? It's not caused by my arguements, my arguements is the effect and you've caused two effects. One, ending my topic. Two, making me argue so this poll is dead. If you're not trying to do that, then it's best off to stay away from this poll if you don't believe it. You're wasting my time, your time and anybody else's time that either reads or can moderate this. This poll just started out with birthdays and twelve horoscopes and I was just curious about SEN's members but somehow you just came in here and attempt to kill it. And there's no way I want that.



EDIT:It looks like the BBC is broken in my post, just read the BBC as a quote from you and look at my arguement right after.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying I'm not supposed to capitalize 'Internet' or something?

I have yet to hear of any statistics that show any of this is particularly the case. As for the tricking part, that too is explained in the page I linked to.

Your point being...? I am aware that they are not precisely the same thing. However your links don't seem to do anything to show that the similarities I pointed out are incorrect.

So? What difference does this make? Besides, I could just as well point out that the people who research horoscopes are either skeptics who want to disprove them or people who make their living off new age magic/psionics/whatever.

Well, what if the Moon is made of green cheese? That's pretty much what your statement looks like. In both cases it doesn't really matter whether it's possible or impossible, what matters is whether it's likely or unlikely. Until you have found evidence that makes it likely that the positions of the stars affect our personalities, there is no reason to believe that that is the case.

Sorry, but I'm not sure how those links relate to that particular point very well. You were quoting my statement about how superstitions either spread or die out, not my statement that astrology and religion share many characteristics.

But does it occur that often? Like I say, I haven't seen any objective and meaningful statistics that show too much of a correlation to be explained by anything but magic. If you know where to find such statistics, go ahead and post a link.

I'm not at all sure that most people believe horoscopes work. Anyway, even if they did it isn't very meaningful. Just because a whole lot of people think something's true doesn't make it true. I mean, 3000 years ago almost everybody thought the Earth was flat, and until about 500 years ago almost everybody though the Sun orbited the Earth. Even now, some 84% of the world's population is religious. It just goes to show you that you can't necessarily trust the majority- especially when the majority disagrees with science and logic.

I think you created it when the Sun was in the wrong place.

If you want to order me to stop posting in your thread, go ahead. Also, I would advise that you do it at the top of your post rather than the bottom so I see it first thing.

Are all your tags formatted properly? I've noticed that these forums act in a strange way; if there is even one bad tag in your post, they make all the tags not work. I've had to edit a few posts myself to make them work after a closing quote tag or something accidentally got deleted.

Even thugh the BBC is broken in my post, you didn't even read my entire posts. And it's my birthday today so I'm not trying to waste my time here.

I don't even want to waste my time, so leave.



Isn't wikipedia in the internet? And isn't it a common website? Short answer for both questions: Yes. And it's a common website compared to the website you linked up.


Mostly, the link you put up is mostly about planets affecting Earth... as I said, they use the Planet's names because they're part of Greek and Horoscopes are part of greek like "Aries", the God of War.


Yeah, there is nothing similar from religion to horoscopes... thanks for agreeing. Thats one down.


There is no age of magic or 'psionics' (mispelled), horoscope comes from modern time.


Green cheese? That's impossible. My statement doesn't even look like that at all. As I said, they use the term "stars" from Greeks. They use the term stars so it can make a little more sense. Look here, you're just going off-topic by comparing green cheese to horoscopes.


Basicly, you didn't even read the URLs I linked up?


I see a plenty of sagisttarius people who are best friends with Aquarius, Aries to Libra, Pisces to Virgo more than others. Why do I have to post a link? You're just wasting my time here, read the URLs I provided. Although not all horoscopes go for their opposites, but it's most likely.


That doesn't mean horoscopes were believed a long time ago, as said it's more modern and since it's modern, it's accurate except for predictions.


That doesn't even makes sense, I was curious to ask people of SEN. What you said ended people's posts. The message you up here is stupid, pointless and annoying.


Then I will, scroll all the way up on this post.


How could you tell me? Basicly, I screwed around with the BBC in my signature a long time ago to make it look superb (Such as colored links, colors underlines, etc). And somehow the message you've put up is off-topic. I was giving you an awareness why my BBC quotes are messed up. I even found a glitch in this forum where you can edit other people's topic titles but that was before the rule about it came on. And I didn't abuse it, for an FYI.

Okay.