Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2004-08-20 at 02:00:38
im not a gravitologist (they exist seriously) but you would get ripped to shreds if the pressure didnt get ya or the pressure would smoosh you flat later to get pulled apart by gravity. gravity can exist in any object (your keyboard has gravity, hell! even dog crap has gravity) there fore even by going down there pressure would get you. the only way to overcome this is with a pressure suit that can overcome the intense pressure traveling towards the center. i can go on for a while but ill choose to stop because i gotta finish me map!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-20 at 02:13:58
Its the way gravity works, every single atom has some gravity. Each atom creates a little dimple on the space-time fabric, the more atoms the larger the dimple until the point where it has a signifigant effect on the objects around it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2004-08-20 at 03:02:22
hmmm i see... well... i subscribe to this theory on gravity. invisible midgets hold us down. 
enough said
enough saidReport, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-08-20 at 03:23:01
QUOTE(Helios @ Aug 20 2004, 01:13 AM)
Its the way gravity works, every single atom has some gravity. Each atom creates a little dimple on the space-time fabric, the more atoms the larger the dimple until the point where it has a signifigant effect on the objects around it.
yep, space-time is curved around an object. What you see right now isn't what actually is happening.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 09:35:11
If you have any question about gravity here is the basic idea: All matter has gravity, the further away you get from something the less it's gravity effects you. No matter how far away you get from something, it's gravity effects you.
If you were in the exact center of the earth you would be pulled in all direction and would float, but only if you were balanced in the exact middle (as bolt_head said, you would easy drift to the edge). If there were an empty space in the center of the planet, the planet would crush back into the center to fill the space because of the lack of pressure pushing outward.
Friction makes heat, the molten part of the earth is constantly moving and is under lots of pressure so it generates lots of heat. Some scientists say that it will eventually cool off and become hard.
I can only guess that the center of the sun is solid because of the extreme pressure. And its obviously extremely hot. The same things would happen on a sun as any planet if you were in the center inside a empty space.
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actually i think most of the sun is plasma
If you were in the exact center of the earth you would be pulled in all direction and would float, but only if you were balanced in the exact middle (as bolt_head said, you would easy drift to the edge). If there were an empty space in the center of the planet, the planet would crush back into the center to fill the space because of the lack of pressure pushing outward.
Friction makes heat, the molten part of the earth is constantly moving and is under lots of pressure so it generates lots of heat. Some scientists say that it will eventually cool off and become hard.
I can only guess that the center of the sun is solid because of the extreme pressure. And its obviously extremely hot. The same things would happen on a sun as any planet if you were in the center inside a empty space.
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actually i think most of the sun is plasma
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-08-20 at 13:22:24
QUOTE(Kenoli @ Aug 20 2004, 08:35 AM)
I can only guess that the center of the sun is solid because of the extreme pressure. And its obviously extremely hot. The same things would happen on a sun as any planet if you were in the center inside a empty space.
Where did you read tha the center of the sun is solid?
Another really interesting gravity-related thing are black holes
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 13:29:00
What else could it be besides a solid? its under way too much pressure to be a gas or liquid
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-08-20 at 13:31:38
QUOTE(Kenoli @ Aug 20 2004, 12:29 PM)
What else could it be besides a solid? its under way too much pressure to be a gas or liquid
I dont think the Sun has a solid core, I think that it is 100% gas.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 13:50:51
"The innermost layer of the sun is the core. With a density of 160 g/cm^3, 10 times that of lead, the core might be expected to be solid. However, the core's temperature of 15 million kelvins (27 million degrees Fahrenheit) keeps it in a gaseous state."
ok i was wrong.
ok i was wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-08-20 at 14:38:32
Did you know that takes some years to a photon escape from the Sun? It stays years roaming inside the Sun before getting out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 14:51:40
I dont really know if thats ture or not. Ive never heard anything about it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-20 at 18:42:23
The power of the sun comes from the constant fusing of hydrogen atoms inside the sun. This creates an enourmous amount of energy, even though that energy can take up to 100 years to get to the surface. It does not 'roam' around the sun though.
Black holes are the most extreme form of gravity. After a supermassive star has collapsed inward and the constant fusion and release of energy can no longer support its own mass. Once it has fully collapsed the star's original gravity multiplies many many times, until the point where not even light can escape. Unlike the dimples that other objects create on the space fabric, a black hole is exactly that a hole in the space fabric that may or may not lead to a "white hole". There would be no surving a black hole nor even getting close to it, once you got close enough the gravity would be so great you would be stretched into a thin line of matter.
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Another really interesting gravity-related thing are black holes
Black holes are the most extreme form of gravity. After a supermassive star has collapsed inward and the constant fusion and release of energy can no longer support its own mass. Once it has fully collapsed the star's original gravity multiplies many many times, until the point where not even light can escape. Unlike the dimples that other objects create on the space fabric, a black hole is exactly that a hole in the space fabric that may or may not lead to a "white hole". There would be no surving a black hole nor even getting close to it, once you got close enough the gravity would be so great you would be stretched into a thin line of matter.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 20:32:28
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
Holes holes and more
Holes holes and more
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2004-08-21 at 12:36:48
I personally think the white hole theory is a load of crap. If matter was being 'spat' out at some other point of the universe, then a black hole wouldn't be able to remain massive.
Just like you explained a black whole is a star that collapses on itself the gravity becomes so intense that it collapses. In order for there to be a white hole something must be escaping the gravitational pull of the black hole.
I have another question about space. Is space 3 divisional? As in the location of planets. I don't know if it is just because of the way our diagrams are drawn all the time but planets are always perceived to be in one plane.
I saw a theory once that space was kind of like a sphere. To best describe the way i remember the theory would be to describe a balloon as the surface of space. All the planets and stuff rest on the balloon’s surface and are pulled inwards accordingly to there weight (like space itself has it’s own gravitational pull. So the sun would sink in a lot because it is really massive and the earth not so much. The theory with white holes in relation to this is that the black hole is so dense that it pushes all the way though and on the other side the material is released. Well I’m probably talking crap now so I’ll shut up before I confuse myself more. I personally don’t believe that one
Just like you explained a black whole is a star that collapses on itself the gravity becomes so intense that it collapses. In order for there to be a white hole something must be escaping the gravitational pull of the black hole.
I have another question about space. Is space 3 divisional? As in the location of planets. I don't know if it is just because of the way our diagrams are drawn all the time but planets are always perceived to be in one plane.
I saw a theory once that space was kind of like a sphere. To best describe the way i remember the theory would be to describe a balloon as the surface of space. All the planets and stuff rest on the balloon’s surface and are pulled inwards accordingly to there weight (like space itself has it’s own gravitational pull. So the sun would sink in a lot because it is really massive and the earth not so much. The theory with white holes in relation to this is that the black hole is so dense that it pushes all the way though and on the other side the material is released. Well I’m probably talking crap now so I’ll shut up before I confuse myself more. I personally don’t believe that one
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-08-21 at 13:49:08
QUOTE((U)Bolt_Head @ Aug 21 2004, 11:36 AM)
I personally think the white hole theory is a load of crap. If matter was being 'spat' out at some other point of the universe, then a black hole wouldn't be able to remain massive.
Just like you explained a black whole is a star that collapses on itself the gravity becomes so intense that it collapses. In order for there to be a white hole something must be escaping the gravitational pull of the black hole.
I have another question about space. Is space 3 divisional? As in the location of planets. I don't know if it is just because of the way our diagrams are drawn all the time but planets are always perceived to be in one plane.
I saw a theory once that space was kind of like a sphere. To best describe the way i remember the theory would be to describe a balloon as the surface of space. All the planets and stuff rest on the balloon’s surface and are pulled inwards accordingly to there weight (like space itself has it’s own gravitational pull. So the sun would sink in a lot because it is really massive and the earth not so much. The theory with white holes in relation to this is that the black hole is so dense that it pushes all the way though and on the other side the material is released. Well I’m probably talking crap now so I’ll shut up before I confuse myself more. I personally don’t believe that one
Just like you explained a black whole is a star that collapses on itself the gravity becomes so intense that it collapses. In order for there to be a white hole something must be escaping the gravitational pull of the black hole.
I have another question about space. Is space 3 divisional? As in the location of planets. I don't know if it is just because of the way our diagrams are drawn all the time but planets are always perceived to be in one plane.
I saw a theory once that space was kind of like a sphere. To best describe the way i remember the theory would be to describe a balloon as the surface of space. All the planets and stuff rest on the balloon’s surface and are pulled inwards accordingly to there weight (like space itself has it’s own gravitational pull. So the sun would sink in a lot because it is really massive and the earth not so much. The theory with white holes in relation to this is that the black hole is so dense that it pushes all the way though and on the other side the material is released. Well I’m probably talking crap now so I’ll shut up before I confuse myself more. I personally don’t believe that one
Arent that worm holes (or something like that?), that they have one side in one place of the space and another one in another, like really big "shortcuts".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-21 at 14:17:29
Yes a white hole is a type of worm hole, but we have yet to prove any type of wormhole. We only know Black holes exist because we can see their effects.
How large do you think a black hole is ? As was stated a black hole is a hole in space you dont need something to keep it open. Thats it though nothing escapes a black hole.
space is 3 diminsional, but yes like you said its because the way maps are made that make it look that way. Space is a sphere(more of a ellipse actually) but objects dont rest only on the surface but also inside. Consider it this way the spere/elliptical of space is like a ballon, as you blow up the ballon everything seperates farther and farther. The white holes relation to how far it is away from the black hole is determined by how massive the black hole is.
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I personally think the white hole theory is a load of crap. If matter was being 'spat' out at some other point of the universe, then a black hole wouldn't be able to remain massive.
Just like you explained a black whole is a star that collapses on itself the gravity becomes so intense that it collapses. In order for there to be a white hole something must be escaping the gravitational pull of the black hole.
Just like you explained a black whole is a star that collapses on itself the gravity becomes so intense that it collapses. In order for there to be a white hole something must be escaping the gravitational pull of the black hole.
How large do you think a black hole is ? As was stated a black hole is a hole in space you dont need something to keep it open. Thats it though nothing escapes a black hole.
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I have another question about space. Is space 3 divisional? As in the location of planets. I don't know if it is just because of the way our diagrams are drawn all the time but planets are always perceived to be in one plane.
I saw a theory once that space was kind of like a sphere. To best describe the way i remember the theory would be to describe a balloon as the surface of space. All the planets and stuff rest on the balloon’s surface and are pulled inwards accordingly to there weight (like space itself has it’s own gravitational pull. So the sun would sink in a lot because it is really massive and the earth not so much. The theory with white holes in relation to this is that the black hole is so dense that it pushes all the way though and on the other side the material is released. Well I’m probably talking crap now so I’ll shut up before I confuse myself more.
I saw a theory once that space was kind of like a sphere. To best describe the way i remember the theory would be to describe a balloon as the surface of space. All the planets and stuff rest on the balloon’s surface and are pulled inwards accordingly to there weight (like space itself has it’s own gravitational pull. So the sun would sink in a lot because it is really massive and the earth not so much. The theory with white holes in relation to this is that the black hole is so dense that it pushes all the way though and on the other side the material is released. Well I’m probably talking crap now so I’ll shut up before I confuse myself more.
space is 3 diminsional, but yes like you said its because the way maps are made that make it look that way. Space is a sphere(more of a ellipse actually) but objects dont rest only on the surface but also inside. Consider it this way the spere/elliptical of space is like a ballon, as you blow up the ballon everything seperates farther and farther. The white holes relation to how far it is away from the black hole is determined by how massive the black hole is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-08-22 at 04:13:04
QUOTE(From No One)
...Black Holes...
Black holes alters what we see because light travels at a slower rate or is bent.
Also 2 black holes can create a wormhole between them. If you draw the universe flat onto a grid cloth, place a marble on the paper - it will bend down making the grid lines longer (the marble is the centre of a blackhole) - therefore like stretching the universe, this is altering time and light. If you place 2 marble (2 blackholes) closely, they will both bend down and thus creating a tunnel in between (imagine in 3D form). This is called a wormhole. It is the tunnel through time and space instantly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DJ_Dan on 2004-09-04 at 23:46:48
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space is 3 diminsional, but yes like you said its because the way maps are made that make it look that way. Space is a sphere(more of a ellipse actually) but objects dont rest only on the surface but also inside. Consider it this way the spere/elliptical of space is like a ballon, as you blow up the ballon everything seperates farther and farther. The white holes relation to how far it is away from the black hole is determined by how massive the black hole is.
The universe is a ellipse? We don't even know where is its edge! We don't know if the universe is infinite or not!