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Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2004-12-29 at 03:07:12
I've nearly died about 3 times, and each time, I wasn't thinking of death. I think once you die, you come back as any person throughout the entire history of the human race. Reincarnation is one of my beliefs. Death is one of the few truly unknown/unknowable subjects. We'll never know what comes after death, sadly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oni-Sei on 2004-12-29 at 04:10:05
i would have to agree with Rabbit kinda like Buddisem or w.e that is its all iffy we have no clue what will come becasue

A) we never rember
B) notghing happens
C) Ghosts? cant speak to us?
D) its all up to the person...!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Halo(MC) on 2004-12-29 at 06:45:09
There have been cases of people remembering past lives as if they have been reincarnated. I beleive death is a total shut down of your brain due to serious injury or age. I beleive that the spirirt lives on after death and may manifest itself as a ghost or it may just dissipate and die. The thing is, no one will ever know so whats the point in trying to figure it out?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-30 at 15:22:28
Actually, I think the spirit is something else, like a different person, or recording of your time. YOU die, but your memories don't. Wait, but how does that make sense? What is the difference between the person, the person's memories/knowledge, and the spirit? If the memories/knowledge is carried with the spirit, then there must be a third thing. What is it? I have no clue.

Think of it as testing extended units, you don't know wtf they do or how they change, but it can and will be explained in the future.

Example: After testing extended players, they are more explainable now then they were ever before. When I first started exparimenting, they were a big thing, now they appear to be small. When what happens after death can be explained, nobody can worry about it because there will be no "excitement" or "fear" of it. The fear is mainly because nobody knows what happens after and the people believe that they will die and lose everything. I too believe that death is like when you are sleeping. When you sleep, time seems to go much faster and you wake up at morning in an instant. Could this possibly be a reason why "time doesn't exist"? Does it or does it not? I can keep going so I'll get back on topic...


Let me come up with a few theories:

1. Your ghost will live on, with your memories, etc, to find another physical form to take on. You will then forget everything and start a "new life".

2. You die. Blackness. You cease to exist.

3. You die, but it seems as though you are sleeping, dreaming, making your "afterlife" whatever you want. Time will go by so fast that one second could be 10 years or more, you will never know though.

4. You die, and revisit your whole life again. You are in a constant loop, going forward untill you die, then back in time again to when you were born, forgetting everything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-12-30 at 15:55:16
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An afterlife per se cannot be definitively disproved, merely shown unlikely; we can certainly comment on some versions of it, and point out no mechanisms are known which, even in principle, could make one possible. Additionally, we can infer that humans invented the afterlife by considering how darn probable such a belief was to arise if untrue. And depending on the specifics of an afterlife belief, there are ways science can test it, at least in part.

Mind-brain dependence, the selective ability to eerily damage parts of the mind by damaging the brain, and the ability to generate two independent minds in the same head by splitting the brain in half, appears to rule out an otherworldly soul as the seat of consciousness, at least. This doesn't necessarily mean an afterlife is impossible, but is certainly expected and probable if there isn't one.

Case studies in severed corpus callosum (the "split brain experiment" alluded to above) more or less spell the death knell for the soul. First, a bit of background on what we can learn from the different hemispheres in healthy people:

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Left brain dominates for language, speech, and problem solving
Right brain dominates for visual-motor tasks


"1. Each hemisphere was presented a picture that related to one of four pictures placed in front of the split-brain subject.
2. The left and right hemispheres easily picked the right card. The left hand pointed to the right hemisphere's choice, and the right hand pointed to the left hemisphere's choice.
3. The patient was then asked why the left hand was pointing to the shovel. Only the left hemisphere can talk, and it did not know the answer because the decision to point to the shovel was made in the right hemisphere."

This experiment indicates both sides of the brain are capable of individual thought in some capacity, as if each one had an independent mind. Now we just need to find out whether this curious effect is merely an artifact of our consciousness, or really at odds with self-awareness being the result of a single, indivisible paranormal spirit.

Certain epileptic patients that don't respond to conventional treatment can be treated with surgery that severs brain hemispheres from each other. Amazingly, both halves can go on to develop unique tastes, preferences and beliefs. This indicates once the data link is cut, both can effectively function as "half a soul." In turn, this is quite difficult to reconcile with any remotely traditional model of mind-body dualism.

Courtesy of the Macalester College psychology department::

"Before the operation he integrated information between the two hemispheres freely, but after the operation he had two separate minds or mental systems, each with its own abilities to learn, remember, and experience emotion and behavior. Yet, WJ, was not completely aware of the changes in his brain. As Gazzaniga put it: "WJ lives happily in Downey, California, with no sense of the enormity of the findings or for that matter any awareness that he had changed." As previously explained (experiments), words flashed to the right field of vision of patients like WJ could be said and written with the right hand. In contrast, patients couldn't say or write words flashed to their left field of vision [even though they could pick out the object with their hand]."

One brain hemisphere is verbal but has difficulty with certain other functions, while the other can't really talk but has other traits that make up for it. Each of those can, in their own way, identify and describe reality around them, but neither hemisphere has access to the self-awareness or thoughts of the other. Splitting them produces all kinds of anomalous results, like this:

"The patients give evidence of having two differing minds. The best example of this is patient Paul S., whom you read about on the home page. Paul's right hemisphere developed considerable language ability sometime previous to the operation. Although it is uncommon, occasionally the right hemisphere may share substantial neural circuits with, or even dominate, the left hemisphere's centers for language comprehension and production. The fact that Paul's right hemisphere was so well developed in it's verbal capacity opened a closed door for researchers. For almost all split brain patients, the thoughts and perceptions of the right hemisphere are locked away from expression. Researchers were finally able to interview both hemispheres on their views about friendship, love, hate and aspirations.

Paul's right hemisphere stated that he wanted to be an automobile racer while his left hemisphere wanted to be a draftsman. Both hemispheres were asked to write whether they liked or disliked a series of items. The study was performed during the Watergate scandal, and one of the items was Richard Nixon. Paul's right hemisphere expressed 'dislike,' while his left expressed 'like.'"

Let's take a while to absorb that information. A person whose brain is split in two halves apparently develops two souls, which independently take over their respective hemispheres. Beyond bizarre, isn't it? Also, highly inconsistent with the concept of an indivisible, indestructible, immortal seat of memories, personality and self-awareness.

Near-death experiences, on the other hand, are probably not evidence of an afterlife, rather, vivid hallucination induced by physiological means. This link deconstructs them using a variety of arguments:



  • People who experience NDEs, while "disembodied," often see things in the real world that didn't actually happen.

  • People "separated" from their bodies in such an experience can feel sensations such as sharp pain occuring in said bodies. This argues against the interpretation that your mind separates from the body during an NDE.

  • People who have near-death experiences often see living relatives and friends, not just dead ones.

  • Predictably, in the West, Christian imagery like angels and Jesus dominates. Conversely, in India, people predominantly report encounters with their god of death and/or reincarnation bureocracy.

  • The "life review," in most cases, is essentially random; memories are pulled dream-like from a variety of sources, and often have no discernible connection to anything.

  • Many NDErs have passed the "threshold" that they believe would be the point of no return, such as the end of the tunnel, train station, etc. and still come back to life.

  • NDEs are often permeated with fictional elements like unicorns, talking plants, dead celebrities, novel heros, and video game characters.

  • Prophecy passed on during NDEs, which would likely be very reliable if it was rooted in a true paranormal source, is instead no different in reliability than the usual vague and/or unfulfilled variety.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-30 at 17:03:12
That's really neat, but the first couple links don't work for me, how do they interview each hemisphere of the brain?, or do they use two people who had to have a hemisphere removed?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2004-12-30 at 17:34:41
I guess it's like interviewing conjoined twins... except there's only one voice output device.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Ninja on 2004-12-30 at 17:58:55
"Since I think life is a game, after you die, you are transported back to "Heaven", or as I like to call it, "The Big Casino in the Sky," and your life is calculated and you are given points for achievements, whether they are good or bad, and you can use those points to buy power cards to make things happen to your buddies who are playing the game called "Life of Earth" and if your buddies survive it, they get a lot of points and get bragging and"hahaha" rights on you when he finishes playing. If this sounds confusing, it probably is. It would help if you read my other posts on "God", "Life", and " Everything that has to do with life and god and dying." cool1.gif "

Thats an idea similer to one i've thought of, but there are several more

some say you just get put in a black void, some say you get reborn, some say you go to heaven or hell, but there are so many possiblitys, for all we know you just rot in the ground..... but i hope that isnt the case.

I hope i get reincarnated... or pekkels idea is rite.... or maybe just comin back as a ghost and havin fun, as long as theres a life after death i think i'll stay happy lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-30 at 22:11:15
Thanks for fixing the link Drunken, now I understand the post a lot more. That's really interesting.


It would be nice to believe that we have an infinite life, Shadow, but it makes no sense to me. I don't believe in a spirit, because we are biological entities, and live from physical matter and energy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2004-12-30 at 22:56:24
Only one thing matters. Just don't listen to anyone here. Just believe what you want to. If you are smart, you should be stubborn and just think what you want. I don't know why we have these conversations...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-12-31 at 00:31:43
people shouldn't necessarily be stubborn. By having conversations about it, people understand the other point of view, and learn how to protect theirs, also learning how strong their point of view is. People can believe what they want to, but people should learn about everyone elses opinions, and that they aren't based on nothing, so they can be tolerant of other people and still support their beliefs, I guess....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2004-12-31 at 06:41:18
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've come up with another idea. You don't realise you're dead, (like in the 6th sence), or you don't realise you're dead, and keep going on in life as you would and the others around do the same. The 6th sence was a cool movie cool1.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2005-01-04 at 23:22:29
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That's really neat, but the first couple links don't work for me, how do they interview each hemisphere of the brain?, or do they use two people who had to have a hemisphere removed?
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by hellshadows on 2005-01-05 at 16:20:20
Death is just one step in life after death its either heaven or hell


where are u going?

ADDITION:
Sorry if i affend anyone but i belive in god but i dont really care so i think im going to hell
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2005-01-05 at 16:57:54
My friend who is raelly smart came up of a theory.
What you do is you live life, but when something that can be changed happens another realilty is created. For instance, if your dad died when you were 5, then another realilty is created when he's still alive, you just happen to be living in the one when he did die. This also includs you, if you have ever been in a life threating situation then it might've changed.
Example: I got a rusty nail stuck in my foot one time when I was 7, I had a tetness shot so I was fine, but in another reailty I died and people live on without me. It's not always about life and death, another is that Kerry Won the election, and a bunch of stuff can come from that.

Anyway after YOU die. You live in the reailty where you die, you switch to another realilty of your life. You start from square one, back to when you were being born, anything can happen it's a new realilty, we could've Helped Iran in that war, Hitler could've been killed from a car crash before he became a terrible man, and JFK could've never been killed. Once you finally live out the life that you are destined to, your soul rests for 200 years, and you start over again. As anything, another life form on another plannet, a bear, a fish, anything. This keeps going forever.

Each time you are "Reborn" you lose memorary of your past life, but certain things you rember more when they come. Like if you failled the SATs and then died homeless, when you take the SATs again all the questions answers will be in your head leading you to your destiny.

And my friend thought of ALL of this!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-01-05 at 17:35:38
Doesn't that sound sorta like, a parallel universe?

I could be wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by OvErRuN on 2005-01-15 at 18:39:12
Man, Drunken, you have to much censored.gif ing time on your hands. Get a life. wink.gif tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-01-15 at 20:13:59
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Man, Drunken, you have to much  censored.gif ing time on your hands. Get a life. wink.gif tongue.gif
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His life's purpose is to pursue the unknown, the unanswered, and the istegaristic knowledged yet to be surfaced.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-01-16 at 19:58:24
Time is changeable. smile.gif There are all sorts of weird things that happen when time stops/gets slowed down/sped up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-01-17 at 13:03:11
You die and you end up rotting. -OR- You die and are burned to ashes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gh[o]st_ on 2005-01-19 at 16:05:07
I don't fear death, everybody has to die one day, or the other, or the other, or the other, or the other.

This is why we have to start enjoying life as soon as possible!
Life is like a starcraft game
and death is when you don't have electricity, no more fun, no more nothing

But don't be scared because after you become a ghost like me!(And i don't know why i still can play starcraft happy.gif )

Gh[o]st_
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-01-19 at 17:02:07
Death isn't something i fear, but the WAY you reach death is something i do fear.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by VoidArchon(MC) on 2005-01-19 at 19:59:51
Well it's a proven fact that ghosts do exist as electro-magnetic energy, probably the electric energy that runs through the brain and departs to earth as a free soul when death comes, so that changed alot of believes of death...so i don't really have an opinion, the only thing i did or do believe in is Reincarnation...

I've been half possessed by a ghost about 3 times, but half the listed items DrunkenWrestler mentioned happened...but it had alot more effects happen to me...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2005-01-29 at 13:26:11
Death is it, no more life, no secod chances.

Do everything you want to NOW!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.ZeALoT.oO on 2005-01-29 at 19:23:19
crazy.gif im scared of death.
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