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Correct, and neither of us have the right to do what he is doing.

I love how the argument picked up this morning right where it left off. ihatett, have you ever used X-tra editor? If so, you are just as guilty as you accuse DK. If Blizzard hadn't patched this and said it was all cool, would you still have such an awful case of hemorrhoids? Would you still look for something to complain about? By any chance, did your mother sue McDonald's for not warning her the coffee was hot?

It appears as though you are just looking for something to complain about.

No, even if I did use extended terrain (which I never did, by the way), I would not be equally guilty. That doesn't affect anyone else, and Blizzard has shown not to care about that (it's used in the pro leauges). However, constantly corrupting every other player's replays and third party programs for jollies does affect other people, and I can assure you Blizzard isn't happy about this.

Starcraft X-tra Editor doesn't allow you to do extended terrain More specifically place square tiles.

Okay, well, I haven't done anything like that.

Do you realize the idiocy of your argument? Had Blizzard not patched it, there would be no corrupt replays and your weak argument would be gone completely. His research didn't change your replays. It was the patch. THE PATCH! If they didn't mind it, it wouldn't have ruined your precious replays, and you'd have nothing to complain about. But what you say about manipulating Blizzard's game is done with any editor other than Staredit. This whole website is guilty of that.

What are you talking about? Deathknight forced Blizzard to patch it by showing the public EUD triggers. He created a security risk that Blizzard felt the need to patch. Without the patch even more terrible things could have been done.

DK research -> patch

Why come to a UMS website to condemn the work of UMS mapmakers, calling them an insignificant minority. As I recall, the game of Starcraft has 6 campaigns, ALL OF WHICH ARE UMS. UMS is a HUGE part of what Starcraft is about. Stop criticizing the work of those who just try to reach for the stars.

Ihatett, what exactly are you even trying to accomplish? You seem to have no purpose for your rants and raves besides the fact that you want to complain. What exactly do you want to happen? Do you want blizzard to go and arrest deathknight for, as you put it, "exploiting" the game? Do you want to start a crusade against blizzard because they patched the game and "ruined" your precious replays and your 3rd party programs? Are you trying to convert the UMS community to think of themselves as somehow insignificant and infereior to melee? Your seemingly random blatherings are turning into nothing more then jibberish repeated non-stop for no specific purpose besides complaining. Every time you have posted a reason for one of your rants, someone has posted a rebutal that you have more or less, completly ignored.

What are you actually trying to do?

No one is criticizing UMS, and ihatett would also say UMS is not a huge part of Starcraft.

He wants Deathknight to stop his evil research and stop him from making Blizzard patch the game.

His argument seems to involve two unrelated things, 1)the illegality of DK's work; 2)the replays getting screwed up. Well, my argument is that his problem with illegality is not valid. His true problem is with his replays.

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If DK's research is evil, then why isn't anyone else's who has expanded the possibilities of Staredit?

Devilesk is 100% correct in what he said above: someone found a way to execute malicioius code by exploiting the buffer overflow, and went directly to Blizzard instead of releasing it to the public for them to exploit (deathknight, pay attention).

Now, what should Blizzard have done? Waited until someone else finds and starts exploiting it in games? No. They had no choice to patch it; leaving a buffer overflow unpathced is insanity.

No ihatett you are 100% correct, I merely voice your opinions through my posts.

UMS is nothing compared to the real game:

Okay, I have no idea how this post got here...

I hit reply and it was added to this one... and I have no idea what was in it.

So the REAL game is melee? The campaigns are just a nice tack-on?

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If you like melee, go sign up for a melee site: www.broodwarmaps.net. I'm sure they'd love to hear all your crap. Ohmygosh!!! My replays! Now what will I do with my time? I couldn't possibly read a book!

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Ooh, Superpenguin is here. For real, with no sarcasm, I'd like to hear from you the dangers of EUD's.

Yes. I didn't think anyone still played those.



It's not just me; it's the million+ other gamers.

I don't care whether this site is for UMS or for the real game; what was done was a giant security flaw that had to be patched.



Google "buffer overflow", or check it out on Wikipedia.

If there is a threat with EUD's, I'm sad that there is a 100% guarantee some ninth grader who could never get a girlfriend would be happy to exploit it. ihatett is just someone who likes to complain. Go install a second Starcraft on your computer with an older patch. It's an old game that doesn't take up much HD space.

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I'm sorry. I guess I'm just old fashioned. Those campaigns are what made this game. I think there are a good many who still enjoy playing them.

WHAT!?

What would installing an older patch do? Think about it... all it would do is allow people to watch old replays offline. There is more than that.


Also, the competitive players shouldn't have to bend over backwards for the small UMS crowd.

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Oh, superpenguin is literally here. If you read the old pages, you'll remember that he's the one who went to Blizzard.

SCXE doesn't let anyone do this. And as for the entire argument so far about people being liable to use SC in any way that is not originally intended, we are all equally guilty.

And the debate between UMS and melee is an entirely stupid argument. If Blizzard made an editor that allowed for either one to be used, they are in fact, both the real game. What one's preferences between the do shouldn't effect the other.




He shouldn't have to, because this site is for all map makers, and the people who are here should look out for each other as friends: peers who play the same game. Maybe for different reasons, but the same game either way. And book reading is not a bad thing.

That was my point. He could find something better to do than watch replays all day.

The UMS crowd is as equally as large as the melee crowd, whether you'd like to realize it or not. All that's going on is a little replay scrambling, if any. What's the point of these? So you can showcase off your talent to your friends? What's the point of these replays? One could bring up the argument that replays are liek EUDs; we didn't have this option the entire time. Although it does help record the actions of hackers if we think they are as such. And yes, Penguin did go to Blizzard, which was a good idea in the first place, rather than telling everyone in the SEN community, and not the people who made the game in the first place.

It's not only replays that get messed up. Plus, you're also acting like I'm the only Starcraft player. Did you even see the pics?



No. If you make a wide ramp, you are not equally guilty as someone who released a huge glitch.

I myself play melee and UMS maps frequently, well before my BW cd blew up. But what's the point of replays in its entirety? Something to show to your friends to show to them how much you owned some newb, but do people in public actually care about what you ca and cannot do outside of the actual game when you get ready to kick their @**?

Hahaha, you make fun of me for getting mad that you are corrupting every players' replays (in addition to other things); should I make fun of you for having a hissy fit that a 3-week old buffer overflow was patched?