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First off, a boeing 747 didn't crash into the pentagon. So it couldn't go anywhere. There were no people on the plane. The people reported dead were most likely set up by the government.

The government isn't as good as you think. The pentagon was holding very valuable information that the government didn't want the citizens of the U.S. to know about. And they couldn't get rid of it without anyone knowing or saying anything. So they most likely just set everything up.

There is SO much evidence that a boeing 747 didn't crash into the pentagon. And there isn't any evidence at all that a boeing 747 did crach into the pentagon. What actually makes you believe that terrorists would go after that building primarly?

Lil' too far cruzo. The pentagon is the main military building in the US. but the fact that many of the "facts" of the official story don't add up is disturbing. Bush is dictating many things nowadays. Including threatening to veto important bills if congress ordered investigations into torture cases and detainee abuses. (Proof is in the 14 points of facism link up above.)

Ah, freak it, heres the link again.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

I have strong opinions on abortion. I totally disagree with the fact that a women of any sort would agree to having an abortion when they are the ones that decided to have the child in the first place. If you don't like the outcome of the decsion you made then you should of thought of that before you did what you did. I'm strongly against abortion and killing an inoccent life who didn't ask to be brought into the world by parents who aren't ready to have a child.

That's what I'm saying, the facts about the official story that the government gave us just doesn't add up at all. Nothing seems like the truth these days.


How could a plane of this size travelling at 480 mph cause so little damage and vanish so completely? It's probably time to take a look at the evidence.

How about rape victims? Are you saying that they should be burdened with a child when they had absolutely no consent about it? Anyways it's not a life brought into the world untill it is actually living, fetuses are simply the containers that the life goes into, which it does not untill it can actually process thoughts. Then afterwards I guess you can go ahead and believe what you want.

What about rape victims? No, I'm not saying they have to keep the child. Atleast have the child and put it up for adoption. It isn't the childs fault that the person was raped. It's another life that will benefit the worlds society.

What child's fault? There was no child, it was a fetus. Anyways, every sperm cell in the world could be another life to benefit the world's society, but I don't see people trying to save those. There is no difference with a fetus except it looks a tad bit more like a human, and people just cling to likenesses of them and seem to think of them as special objects.

I saw the videos, I know what your talking about, believe me, i brought that to this site long before you. Even the pentagon windowsnext to the hole weren't broken. Hence how the boeing wings could not have smashed there. 9 feet in diameter, going 480 mph and more then a few tons.

Well people forgot about the bombing of Hiroshima, which was several hundred times worse than this and makes this look like a tiny event. I don't see anyone making a topic about that. I'll take a piece from your post and change a few words to show you how similar it is.

If being a rape victim becomes (or is) one of the primary reasons for getting abortion, it can easily get abused. More and more people will get pregnant because of either sex or rape and then just claim that they got raped.

Care to put them in so I don't have to then?

Ok this topic is becoming hostile, I call for a cool down... possibly closing this thread until tomorrow, or something to that effect to avoid it being closed indefinately.

Uh? The atmosphere around here doesn't seem that hostile to me, it's just people discussing, which is what tends to happen in a topic that is in a forum purely about discussion. Unless you are talking about Stars-Chris, and in that case closing this topic would just result in him going to another topic. Him and that Kellimus
On another note, it seems like you started the argument anyways.

Actually I didn't. I put some things up for discussion, as usual he provides proofs from only one source, and I put from many, he tries to discredit them in one form or another (generally doesn't work), then it goes back and forth until finally I call him on what he is, a fake christian, he calls me a drone, and voyager says "oh the irony is killing me".

This shyte never ends, more of this "proof" crap. Kell complained about me not suppling my proof and so did Cheese, but time and time again I supply it. Kashmir don't even talk about me not doing that cause I do and they are good sources.

Please tell me where i said I support it as long as I keeps us safe.

What have I lost becuase of "it"?

You imply that Bush is turning our democracy into a facist state. But riddle me this, he has had about 6 years, we are still a democracy, do you think he has time to pull it off in his last 2 years???

haha push ups? Kashmir do you even play a physical sport? No, no, computer games and chess don't count.

And oh my gosh your a facist you told me to shut up, wheres my freedom of speech?!?!


@Mass-media: hahahahahaha We were debating about FOX/other major news companies haha of course I have to use mass-media sources hhahahahahahahahah

lastly tell me exactly what exactly I have followed???

Agreeing with it.

This is what I mean, you negate every bit of proof me, kellimus, cruzo (even though its a bit crude), and others have shown. You completely disregarded the 14 points of facism, Noam Chomsky (who is even a professor at MIT) has no meaning to you, since he speaks and writes books on this exact subject and for the same things we speak of, and you go on and on. It it goes against your argument, you instantly assume "not government approved" must be false.

Downing street memo, katrina tapes, white house memo, and countless others. I can understand you not believing in the 9/11 thing. But its just plain ignorance that you reject what Bush is doing. Even if it wasn't an inside job, he is taking advantage of it as Hitler did. Hitler, while not a genius was an opportunist, as is George Bush.

Did you know that they are trying to prosecute the NYT reporters for publishing the evidence that Bush was spying on american citizens, on their bank accounts, and other illegal and unconstitutional spying.

Yes even if there is a "law" saying it is lawful, it has been passed by the supreme court that a citizen is not mandated to follow any law that is unconstitutional. Any law that conflicts with the constitution is not a law at all.

You only get your "evidence" from the mass-media websites. Never from independents. Your most used sources is Fox. Fox, who have employed a racist and ignorent man to speak for them. (I swear, if you even ask for proof and don't look above, I will call you an idiot.)

" Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/0...cknowledge.html
http://freepress.net/propaganda/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1324417,00.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nati...639_diss08.html

Then you have that new law passed that gets rid of net neutrality and establishes "virtual tollbooths" on the net. By giving control of the net to big business phone companies. The same companies who have already given our phone records and privacy away.

Everything is being controlled. 1984, was not a fictional book made for pleasure. Orwell clearly stated once that it was written as a warning to future generations of what is very possible if they continued on the post-world war II path.

The government lies, and people die.

You have absolutely no argument so you try to call me on my physical activities. Pathetic. Completely pathetic. If you really want to know, I've been on the baseball team for 3 years running. I play football in spare time with friends, and while I enjoy chess, I've only ever played it with my grandfather.

P.S. This is the bill demaris spoke of. I shall get more sources.
http://democraticwhip.house.gov/media/pres...sReleaseID=1028

Ladys and Gentlemen, without further adu, the future!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dave300019.htm
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dave300020.htm
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dave300021.htm

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/germany-1933.htm

that made me think of robots putting junk into their bodies and grinding it into energy.

Actually, just some small corrections, Hitler was a genius of war and grasping the public's attention and persuading them. Also, Bush cannot be the only one to blame. He bases his choices off the opinions of other politicians or people with power (mainly the oil companies).

I don't think that 9/11 was set up by the government. That would cause too much damage than any good. If you're going to look at the situation from a politician's viewpoint, it would be something like this:

Pros:
-War
-Control
-More oil

Cons:
-Every country hating us
-People hating government
-Anarchy
-Economy failure due to the amount of people who lost jobs and lives
-Collapse

Of course, this would be if it were set up and the majority of the public was aware that the government commited the attacks. Just my opinion.

uh you do know your list is wrong right. A) You probably do not know what anarchy is, so thats off the list.
Collapse didn't happen, so its not a con. most countries disliked us before anyway. People hating government... ya well obviously, but they would be the minority making no big deal. The whole point is to convince the majority to back you on any endeavor you took. AKA perpetual warfare.

CORRECTION: Hitler was not a genius of war, this has already been discussed on sen, while he had some moments, it was genuinely his generals (rommel for example) who waged the war. And all that grasping the publics attention is, is charisma. Which could fall under opportunist.

Yes. because I do.
You can't prove anything about god. You cannot prove that god exists. You cannot prove that god doesn't exist.

Although, you can somehow persuade a person into believing god... I don't know how to prove how God exists.

As I see it, Abortion holds it's place in Society. Abortion shouldn't be used to get rid of "Accidental Babies" because people have no understanding of good sexual practices. Abortion should be a solution for Rape Victims (unless the rapist can be forced to pay the child through adoption) because a crime should never be the start of life. When you think of it, something born of crime, is either going to embrace crime, or fight against it. But wouldn't the mother be reminded every time of her ordeal when she looked at her child?

Abortion shouldn't be abused, people should learn responsibilety.

Yeah, probably should have kept that to myself.

Although there are anomalies in 9/11 (especially the removal of the bomb-sniffing dogs the same day half the WTC was closed down for 'rennovation' and the "magic disappearing" plane at the Pentagon), and I do see what the government could gain from it (justification for war, ability to pass almost anything in the name of 'national security'), I just don't think that the government would be able to pull off a conspiracy of that magnitude.

Ugh...I even looked at Adun's Tutorial . I dont really understand EUD Actions. I'm going to read the stuff over and over again cause nvr really knew what they were or what there used for. Surely they're very serious stuff. Like about these somewhat-called "viruses" and things.

Games Polodsk = russian bnetd server.