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I would love to believe that if it were true, but we all contribute to a patch, indirectly or directly. As you said it last night, ihatett, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. Why force someone to use SCXE, SCMDraft, or SF?

How does someone making a wide ramp contribute to releasing a buffer overflow (thank god sp found a fix before this thing exploded)?



1. You missed my argument, go back and read it.
2. Did I ever say we should force people to use those? I don't.

Uhh, who are you talking about this time?

I for one am not ahppy that EUDs are gone, but I won't mourn over it with a trail of tears. That's like mourning every potential loss ever recorded or not recorded in the annals of history. If everyone did that, nothing would ever get done. If someone wants EUDs back so badly, they should go through the effort of finding ways to manipulate the SC memory themselves. As if someone wants melee replays back so bad, they can simply repatch, and watch it themselves. Not everyone plays the exact same thing.

Most people play the real game, and you have no right to corrupt their replays and screw up their benign third party programs. I'm tired of arguing with you two newbs.

No I didn't miss your argument. Don't degrade me because it's your fault that you're missing what I'm trying to argue. And What you said about people being forced to use anything is your own argument. They don't have to, and I didn't say you were forcing any action upon them.

This faze in Korea shouldn't last more than a few years.

It's kind of like Pokémon was in the United States.

I'd say that the following may be larger with the melee crowd, but the actual playing base is about the same for either.

It's Blizzard's fault for not patching the game correctly, giving the entire UMS community the support that they wanted, instead disabling this new field altogether. I think that they'll make StarCraft II after finishing up WoW and StarCraft: Ghost.

What did I do? I wasn't someone who tried to find any of this EUD stuff out!
And if you're tired of arguing, maybe you should log off, so we won't anger so much anymore. This is a forum where people place their opinions and other people argue their own. If you can't understand that, just log off, and no one will ever bother you again. EVER. But we don't have the right to mess up your replays, but those third party programs don't affect melee at all. Only in the sense that it causes a "new patch", which Blizzard has done nothing to try and stop. (SCXE, SCMDraft, et al.)


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Who knew we would've gotten this far eight years ago? What support could they have provided with us then? They knew nothing of the future we have come to be a part of. It is not their fault. And I do hope they make SCII. But I doubt it. Look at the grand scope of success of Starcraft; could they believe enough to strike gold twice in the same way? I shoud only hope, but its doubtful an SCII will come out, however much we wish for it or not.

Don't worry guys, ihatett is just trying to revive a "dead" game. I'm with him.

So am I. But his means of accusing Deathknight, and putting the blame entirely on Deathknight is NOT the way to go, regardless of how correct he is. Which is understandably so. That's a good thing.

WE DIDN'T CORRUPT ANY REPLAYS. PATCH 1.13B MADE NO CHANGES TO UNIT STATS OR UNIT AI. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE PATCH WOULD HAVE CAUSED ANY 1.13A REPLAYS TO BE CORRUPTED. ANY OBSERVED EFFECTS TO THE CONTRARY ARE SIMPLY PLACEBO.

Besides that, once again you are contradicting yourself. In just this one page(page 14) you have campaigned against EUD's:


You made an insult towards deathknight:


You made a comment about UMS being inferior:


You complained that the patch is ruining your replays:


You made another comment calling the UMS community inferior:


Then another one about replays and 3rd party programs:


This is only on page 14.
maybe if I put my text in big print you'll understand it more:
WHAT DO YOU WANT?

Yes. What is it that you want? You've even gone as far as to criticize the people that agree with you, and are attempting to support you. What is it that you wish to achieve here? World domination? To make everyone agree with you? Too bad, but that won't work. Current events prove it to. As much as people try to make absolutely everyone agree with them, it doesn't work. Everyone is different, and they are entitled to their own opinions. So put up, or shut up.

You guys should really go back and read better. He has already said many times what he wants and I'll quote what I said before:



You should also keep your tempers down, you don't see ihatett yelling WHAT DO YOU WANT, do you?

Don't patronize me, that is an ignorant and foolish response. No matter how truthful he thinks it may be, his actions and posts have proved that to be false.

How is that patronizing you? He's already said what he wanted, yet everyone continues to ask him "WHAT DO YOU WANT". I don't see how you guys can be arguing when you don't even know what he's talking about, because you haven't taken the time to read his arguments.

It's obvious what he wants - the obliteration of the UMS community.

Blizzard has quite recently begun to irk me.

Ok then, why won't DK just not do research? It's not like this is abolutely necessary for SC map editing life. It's not oxygen to a flame. And it's not necessarily all DK's fault. He found the glitch, so therefore, shouldn't Blizzard do something before it gets out of hand? One patch doesn't end the world. Most people are not saying that ALL their replays are messed up ins ome way. From what I've heard, most of them them are fine, except for some.

... because he doesn't want to stop? Which is why ihatett is arguing?

Ok, but many other people have also stated what they wanted. That's why we don't see him yelling as such. And we wouldn't be arguing if we didn't read what he said. But we are, so we had to have read what he said.



Hey Felagund, it's their game you're playing. You should show a little gratitude.



He hasn't really disproven himself, he's only sent minimally mixed messages. He is right in the majority of the sense.

Ok, if UMS is so small to melee, I saw 17 UMS and 19 melee, but usually UMS games have more people playing since there are lots of 1v1 and 2v2 melees, so there are probably more UMS players if anything.

No... just because you are arguing against something doesn't mean you actually read what he said.

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There are many private games and things going on in other servers as well.

Also there are many clans devoted to Melee unlike the small handful of UMS clans.

Ok, then DK should stop. If ihatett has coem this far to prove what he has said, one should show him mercy. It's like leaving a cookie jar on top of the fridge, even after the five year old already knows how to get it; you might as well make his life easier and put it on the table. We already know what he is going to do when he knows how to get what he wants. And to what avail would the research be? Blizzard already patched it out. There really isn't a point to try and rescue something that's already a lost cause. The people who made the game said "no". All we can do is abide by it, there's no point in trying to say anything else. It is NOT OUR GAME; we only have the license to use it. Ihatett already proved that last night.

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Well I did read what he said. How do you know I am necessarily arguing against him, instead of being an OBJECTIVE voice. You do know what that means, right? "Objective"?

And there are also many private UMSs and melees. There's no actual way to know who's playing what unless you took a survey at any given point in time frequently for an extended period of time. And there are by far more UMS clans than melee clans. Most of them die, which I see as a good thing. The last thing we need is more newbs thinking they own Battle.net, in which they don't. If they simply step outside their boundaries, they would be crushed like bugs.

what did DK find the first time he got sc patched

He didn't. The only thing that was patched as a direct cause of his doings was 1.13 to 1.13B.

EDIT: I could be mistaken though. And if so, I apologize to any I may have offended.

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The muta thing wasn't helpful at all. This was. Besides, DK has researched dozens of helpful things for the UMS community, so he has all of our support. It's not as if these are the only things that he has discovered.