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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-12 at 15:17:20
I commend you for giving a meaning to a meaningless word. I think the simple answer would just be, "It's a typo."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 15:19:12
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The nazi parties' opinion was that it was okay and a vital need of their society to murder jews and anyone else they saw as inferior.


No it wasn't. that was Hitler. Nazis believed in strict authority, and private interests. Hitler was the Anti-Semitist. And if all the Nazis were anti-semitic, they would've killed the Jews right away when Hitler came into power. they didn't. They started the killing about a couple years after that. Kristallnacht and the Munichburg Laws did not come right away.

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I commend you for giving a meaning to a meaningless word. I think the simple answer would just be, "It's a typo."


thanks. But it's always interesting to break down a word and see what you get. It also applies for the phrase "same difference", although in a different way.

EDIT: It's not Munichburg, its Nuremburg Laws. I apologize for to those I have offended or confused.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-12 at 15:20:19
QUOTE(Tavrobel @ Aug 12 2005, 01:18 PM)
No it wasn't.  that was Hitler.  Nazis believed in strict authority, and private interests.  Hitler was the Anti-Semitist.  And if all the Nazis were anti-semitic, they would've killed the Jews right away when Hitler came into power.  they didn't.  They started the killing about a couple years after that.  Kristallnacht and the Munichburg Laws did not come right away.
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Anti-semitism was used by the nazi party as a unifying force to bring the people together under one common cause. Now while it may be a poor analogy, my point is still that opinions, like anything else, can be wrong; but we are at no place to judge them since we are not omnipotent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mobomojo on 2005-08-12 at 15:20:29
EUDs wont work... IF you patch to 1.13b. But for those adament about further developing them, I urge them to stay with 1.13 and continue working on them. Even if it wont be shown onto battle.net, there are still lots of people who will stay offline and downpatch the game just to play more unique Starcraft.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 15:21:54
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Anti-semitism was used by the nazi party as a unifying force to bring the people together under one common cause. Now while it may be a poor analogy, my point is still that opinions, like anything else, can be wrong; but we are at no place to judge them since we are not omnipotent.



Okay, now that you cleared that up, I see what you're getting at. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-12 at 15:23:10
That is the worst seriously the worst thing anyone can do. Really if you can't go back to playing Starcraft without EUD's which people have been playing without for YEARS, then I'm sorry, but you should just quit Starcraft all together.

Especially since Blizzard did nothing wrong. If you want to continue playing on a previous patch that is vulnerable to hackers then so be it, but you are just being foolish clinging to a bunch of triggers that people have been doing without for years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 15:24:22
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EUDs wont work... IF you patch to 1.13b. But for those adament about further developing them, I urge them to stay with 1.13 and continue working on them. Even if it wont be shown onto battle.net, there are still lots of people who will stay offline and downpatch the game just to play more unique Starcraft.


But who is going to do that? Make one-player EUD maps that people can't play or enjoy? To see no recognition for their hours of blood and sweat, and ruined vision? And who has the effort to do all of that, just for a small chance that someone will go though all the effort they themselves must go though to play a game that involves EUDs? I don't mean to be insulting, but I don't see alot of dedicated people doing that. Most people would rather play online with friends, if they have any.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 15:24:52
The weird thing is, all those people believed in Hitler and everything, I still don't know why.. :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 15:25:46
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That is the worst seriously the worst thing anyone can do. Really if you can't go back to playing Starcraft without EUD's which people have been playing without for YEARS, then I'm sorry, but you should just quit Starcraft all together.
Especially since Blizzard did nothing wrong. If you want to continue playing on a previous patch that is vulnerable to hackers then so be it, but you are just being foolish clinging to a bunch of triggers that people have been doing without for years.


Indeed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-12 at 15:26:21
QUOTE(mobomojo @ Aug 12 2005, 01:20 PM)
EUDs wont work... IF you patch to 1.13b. But for those adament about further developing them, I urge them to stay with 1.13 and continue working on them. Even if it wont be shown onto battle.net, there are still lots of people who will stay offline and downpatch the game just to play more unique Starcraft.
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Downgrading is nice for playing some things, but like most other UMS maps, the real benefit comes from playing multiplayer. My map I was making, strategic command, was still more or less a tech-demo for EUDs, but it was till completly centered on multiplayer. You could not get the same feel in singular player since it was based on you useing your strategic methods against another humans. It would be impossible to create an AI that could act the same.

Another option would be battlelan or something like that, my main problem with that is it is still such a hassle. It is much more efficient and enjoyable to just play on regular b.net.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 15:27:31
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The weird thing is, all those people believed in Hitler and everything, I still don't know why.. :/


Because they thought they were rgiht. Hitler was a powerful speaker, and indeed he convinced those people to believe what he thought. But this is not the place to discuss Hitler in his entirety. The Hardcore discussions place is for that. The people who used Hitler analogies were comparing it to a point they wished to prove.

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Downgrading is nice for playing some things, but like most other UMS maps, the real benefit comes from playing multiplayer. My map I was making, strategic command, was still more or less a tech-demo for EUDs, but it was till completly centered on multiplayer. You could not get the same feel in singular player since it was based on you useing your strategic methods against another humans. It would be impossible to create an AI that could act the same.

Another option would be battlelan or something like that, my main problem with that is it is still such a hassle. It is much more efficient and enjoyable to just play on regular b.net.


EDIT: This is true.
It is easier for most people just to play on Battle.net, and it is much more difficult to imagine every Human thinking possibility for a computer. It just doesn't happen, not unless you had a PURE computer, not a computer game AI. By pure, I mean the most possible knowledge ever possible to input into a machine. Which is much more than our synapses can handle.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by I-X-King-X-I on 2005-08-12 at 15:32:28
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 12 2005, 01:24 PM)
The weird thing is, all those people believed in Hitler and everything, I still don't know why.. :/
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i wish i knew why too pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-12 at 15:33:05
Ya, it's like why people believe in Bush, I mean come on...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-12 at 15:33:32
QUOTE(devilesk @ Aug 12 2005, 01:23 PM)
That is the worst seriously the worst thing anyone can do. Really if you can't go back to playing Starcraft without EUD's which people have been playing without for YEARS, then I'm sorry, but you should just quit Starcraft all together.

Especially since Blizzard did nothing wrong. If you want to continue playing on a previous patch that is vulnerable to hackers then so be it, but you are just being foolish clinging to a bunch of triggers that people have been doing without for years.
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By saying that it shows your ignorance to what EUD triggers were capable of. They truly were breaking many of the limits of starcraft. I can't even begin to list the possible uses and benefits of them. There are so many possibilities that they could almost be called endless.

Also, your ignorace is shown once again in your blind belief that somehow EUD's allow hackers into your computer. EUD's were limited due to their small range of influence on the memory. The worst they could do is crash your starcraft. There is no way you could put a virus into a map simply by using EUDs. You would have better luck going about trying to create a dupe .scx file that somehow executes code on your computer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by exo6yte on 2005-08-12 at 15:34:04
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 12 2005, 02:24 PM)
The weird thing is, all those people believed in Hitler and everything, I still don't know why.. :/
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He brought Germany out of its slump and hyperinflation. He riled up nationalism and gave Germany a scapegoat.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by I-X-King-X-I on 2005-08-12 at 15:35:31
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He brought Germany out of its slump and hyperinflation. He riled up nationalism and gave Germany a scapegoat.
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or that he had that mustache...

yea it had to of been that weird looking mustache
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 15:35:55
I think Tavrobel posted why, but the thing that gets me is why the Allies didn't stop Hitler when he mocked the Treaty of Versaille.

I was watching a show and it said "Bush declaired war on Iraq to obtain their most precious resource, sand."

I thought it was pretty funny, but Bush did have no right to send troops in there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by I-X-King-X-I on 2005-08-12 at 15:37:01
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 12 2005, 01:35 PM)
I think Tavrobel posted why, but the thing that gets me is why the Allies didn't stop Hitler when he mocked the Treaty of Versaille.

I was watching a show and it said "Bush declaired war on Iraq to obtain their most precious resource, sand."

I thought it was pretty funny, but Bush did have no right to send troops in there.
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werent we going into war tho?

i think thats a good enough right to send troops there
Report, edit, etc...Posted by darth_ender on 2005-08-12 at 15:38:34
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Also, your ignorace is shown once again in your blind belief that somehow EUD's allow hackers into your computer. EUD's were limited due to their small range of influence on the memory. The worst they could do is crash your starcraft. There is no way you could put a virus into a map simply by using EUDs. You would have better luck going about trying to create a dupe .scx file that somehow executes code on your computer.

No joke. Something like that is far more likely to succeed at doing damage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 15:38:36
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Ya, it's like why people believe in Bush, I mean come on...


Bush is more like trying to clone himself in every aspect of our politics,but it won't work. Too many people oppose him. As for Hitler, he did rile up the people from their Depression, being incurred on them for loss of WWI, where the French wanted revenge for the loss of the strip of land where they had most of their industry.

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By saying that it shows your ignorance to what EUD triggers were capable of. They truly were breaking many of the limits of starcraft. I can't even begin to list the possible uses and benefits of them. There are so many possibilities that they could almost be called endless.
Also, your ignorace is shown once again in your blind belief that somehow EUD's allow hackers into your computer. EUD's were limited due to their small range of influence on the memory. The worst they could do is crash your starcraft. There is no way you could put a virus into a map simply by using EUDs. You would have better luck going about trying to create a dupe .scx file that somehow executes code on your computer.


Yeah, this is a good argument. But if there is a way, there is always the possibility. But it's so unlikely, why must we bother each other about it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 15:39:04
But you didn't have to go to war in Iraq, it was just Afganistan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by darth_ender on 2005-08-12 at 15:40:21
Funny how our topic has been steered to German and American politics. At least it's calmed down. Still, I sure as heck won't even get started on my defense of Bush. My earlier arguing has actually made me tired, and I would even less likely to convince. At any rate. Nice change in tone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by I-X-King-X-I on 2005-08-12 at 15:40:40
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But you didn't have to go to war in Iraq, it was just Afganistan.
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but iraq had something to do with it

i think they were just hiding in Afganistan but lived in iraq actually

i think bin laden wanted to be the next hitler
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 15:41:26
Look, Bush still had no right going into Iraq. Iraq wasn't a threat, Bush just brought up this bullcrap about terrorists.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-08-12 at 15:41:30
Hmmm Bush is to EUDs as Hamsters are to PlayBoy.

That's what this is becomming now smile.gif
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