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Echo- This is serious discussion, would you care to explain to us how destroying a small cluster of cells is muder, rather than simply reiterating the same opinion over and over?
Here, I'll start:
I don't think its murder at all, seeing as the thing being destroyed is little more than a cluster of cells, without even the slightest hint of sentience.
yup
have you ever killed an animal? (no ants or anything like that)
No, I copy paste it

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The person below me voted for bush.
I cant vote yet
The person below me cant either
QUOTE(7-7 @ Jul 27 2006, 06:44 PM)
yup
have you ever killed an animal? (no ants or anything like that)
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Yup and no, I tried to kill a fish but actually I was to shy to hit hard enough. Poor fish, some pro fisher needed to take care of it with one straight hit.
Well, now I know I shouldn't even try to kill anything other than insects really.
Question:
Have you ever peed in a pool?
I
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But it doesn't change a thing.
The person below me doesn't vote either but he or she could vote too.
nope, still cant vote!
the person below me is StarKraft asking if anyone can vote
yup
have you ever died?
Alot, but only virtually.
Have you ever been naked where everyone else was clothed?
well kinda, locker room. but it differs. cause people shower so everyone is but sometimes at different times.
have you ever taken a shower with your girlfriend?
It's not me *hide*
Can anyone here vote

not me
Can StarKraft vote?
No, I prefer to be alone in the shower. But I showered alot before I went to bed, so did she
Have you ever had no idea what to ask next?
Hey, you're right. It's murder! Murder of a cluster of cells "no larger than the period at the end of this sentence." And you know what? Those can help save lives of people like you and me. And do you know what they do with about 99.9% percent of those stem cells we already have? They get old, so we throw them out. Yes, we toss them down the chute and say "goodbye, ol' chaps!" I don't understand how you would think it's murder if women donated that stuff that gets "flushed" out of their systems naturally anyway. I mean, if they're not planning on having children, then they should be able to donated them. Anything else is wasteful.
You know what? Stopping stem cell research right now would be murder to many thousands, maybe millions, more people each year than we would gain by people adopting stem cells to have babies with (currently the only other thing that one can do with stem cells). Yes, I think people should still be able to get stem cells to have children (if the woman is say unfertile), but the clear and primary goal for stem cell banks is to supply stem cell laboratories, and in the future that will save more lives than you can imagine.
Oh wait, I forgot. Putting stem cells in humans to repair them isn't murder. It doesn't kill the stem cells (because they have to live obviously to heal their host), and it saves lives. Also, I think cloning has more to do with genetic research than stem cell research. Maybe you'd like to make a topic about that if you want to argue about how "unethical" genetic research (and as a possible product, cloning) is.
*Edit* I live in the United States, where any stem cell research is negligible at best. However, that article was from a German doctor's research. You know what would seriously tick me off? If other countries had advanced ways to heal cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, arthritis, diabetes, and many, many other diseases, and the United States didn't have those ways to heal us just because some (oh, excuse my français) Christian nutjobs declared that it was unethical (some because they're truly crazy, the others because they want to gain their conservative base again).
all the time
Have you ever? like right now, what should I ask?
*hidden guy* yes he can vote!
The person below me is off topic.
Have you ever played the first Kirby's Dreamland on the NES?
Yes.
Have you Ever Reve Uoy Evah?
who wants to know?
Have you ever not played the kirby's dreamland for the nes, one time
that summer while getting drunk in da park
maybe...
have you ever KILLED DEAD CUZ HE IS TEH SUX?!
yes and no
Have you ever stuck a pickel your nose? (Wilhelm)
Probably. But that's not a what if. =P
What if you got your legs chewed off by a beaver?
I understand you've been through some bad times, and you need spiritual guidance to help you cope with it. You don't really care about it being true or not, you just care about being happy. That's your primary goal. And that's understandable. There's nothing wrong with that. Unless you look at what it has lead to.
It's like, what some people have said earlier in this topic, when it gets organized. That's when religion becomes a problem. And there is very much truth to that.
You will one day grow up and realise that not everything has a meaning to it. No one is watching 100% of the time, and if you say someone is, then you're just self important. You seem to have a puritan mentality, in the sense that, it's not me that typed this post, it was the devil forcing me to type this post. Or better yet, god forcing me to type this post in order to test you. See if you're a real believer. Because the world revolves around you. I hope you're not that kinda person.
But I forgot to account one other thing, whole reason why this post is useless. You seek god for simple answers to big questions. I'm giving you complex answers to those big questions, and you don't really care about the complex ones. You care about the simple ones. So you might not even fully understand what other people have been explaining to you, cause I've read your posts, and I can safely assume you're pretty new to this whole god talk thing. And you've came off as rather naive so far.
So here is a simple answer for you:
Religion wears the mask of good the exact same way the devil would.
(To echo)
So when I scratch myself, I'm murdering my genitals? Wow, I guess I'm a serial killer on a daily basis.
You want to know what is more unethical? Letting people die so you can feel good about yourself.