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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 14:57:01
yes, that is true. if the rest of america was the way you are......well then.....nothing would ever change. its my way or the highway......that kinda leads to commie....are U a commie??????damn commies...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 15:47:17
More like dictator commies.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-16 at 15:54:07
QUOTE(gorotsuki @ Jun 16 2005, 11:01 AM)
now, are you saying that were being idiots cus we proved your ass wrong on many  occasions, or cus you know that your a dumb ass who can't understand anything. your the only one who didn't understand what i said. i even explained it so EVERYONE could get it....... MY 9 YEAR OLD SISTER understood it. and the jew-tard who is yelling about checking the nasa site....if we wanted to check the nasa site, we would have. but this being based on peoples opinion, why would we go to a fact page......dose it make since....no. if you close this topic devilesk, that just shows that you aren't mature enough to take a little criticism and explain our point of view at all.
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You're the idiot arguing for no reason.

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He is just stating the obvious fact. Cause whenever you start to flame and spam people, the topic always get's closed..


I never started anything.

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ok.....lets say you have a bathtub. a HUGE bathtub. and in this thriotical bathtub you have the hole galaxy.......(if ANYONE says that is impossible to put the hole of the universe in a bath tube, you will get virtually bitch slapped) anyway, lets say that one of the stars that is going supernova or whatever is in the "plug". its filling the hole right? well what happens when it throws off all is energy and becomes a "black hole"? it shrinks dose it not? well......there is no "plug" in the "bathtub" and now everything is running out. slowly....ever so slowly....well. all i'm saying is, what if the star that goes supernova and forms a "black hole" actually MAKES a hole. and the star or whatever gets sucked into it to. think about it....


I read that and I thought it made no sense. I tried asking what he meant and he says:

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wow.....just when i thought you could get no dumber( yes i said dumber)you go and pull that shit..... no it was not covering a black hole, and i have never heard of a planet going super nova. the star was in one place for a long ass time, then i starts to get bigger. like blowing up a ballon, everything around it is moving to make room for it. well......a star is a hole hell of a lot bigger than a ballon. and what if ,in the massive explosion, it moves over somewhere. there is nothing left but a.........lets see now, how can i put this so you will understand it......is it a........HOLE! there is nothing where there was something and it has made a vacuum in space that is trying to be filled.


its not that i'm right, its just that your dumb


I'm sorry I can't understand his lack of grammar, sentence structure, and incorrect spelling.

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If you would actually think deeper, you would realise that what he was trying to say it that maybe the supernova collapses into a nuetron star, but since all the pressure and gravity made the supernova collapse, that it is a possibility that the neutron star is not the black hole, and a black hole is formed from the collapsing of the star. A simple theory created by him, and dogged on by you because you have a different oppinion.


Simple? He never said that in his explanation. But good job that actually made some sense so now I understand it.

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yes, that is true. if the rest of america was the way you are......well then.....nothing would ever change. its my way or the highway......that kinda leads to commie....are U a commie??????damn commies...


You are an idiot. I never said it was my way or the highway or anything like that. I was trying to understand what you were talking about. I never made any comments saying how your theory is wrong at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-06-16 at 16:38:31
speaking of light getting stuck in a black hole because its not fast enough to get out, don't ppl say nothing can go faster then the speed of light? Like if a light isn't fast enough to get out of the black hole, that means the gravitational pull is stronger, which means as the light is being pulled in, it starts to go faster and faster. Meaning the ligt itself goes faster then the speed of light! Confusing huh?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by timmy8586 on 2005-06-16 at 16:52:02
Speed of light isn't a static number tongue.gif It can be changed. But that's pretty cool to think about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-06-16 at 19:35:37
QUOTE(gorotsuki @ Jun 14 2005, 12:14 PM)
if matter cannot be created or destoyed....then it must sit in the center of the said anomolie forever.
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Kind of. Matter is transformed and recycles when it becomes pure energy again. Matter is a physical state of pure energy. Therefore, eventually matter breaks down back into energy over time and reforms again. Not sure where I read this, but I know it wasn't the Weekly World News.

How do you think the sun is producing light? It's recycling energy from other stuff going on in the universe. Otherwise, it would be CREATING the energy we rely on. Which contradicts physics.

Therefore, the light in there will eventually go away, but it will still be freaking bright.

QUOTE(timmy8586 @ Jun 14 2005, 02:27 PM)
Light has a mass. Technically it does have a weight but you can't really say that. Light is energy, energy is converted from an electron..
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It's proven to be a particle and a wave. Therefore, it is pure energy, and a physical object at the same time.

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Let me say something about a quote in Devilesk's post. Read my damn first post. A black hole is a theoretical hole. It's is actually just a superdense chunk of matter. It is not a freaking hole!! It was given the name black hole, because things went in and didn't come out, and it was invisible because no light could escape from it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-16 at 19:40:18
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Let me say something about a quote in Devilesk's post. Read my damn first post. A black hole is a theoretical hole. It's is actually just a superdense chunk of matter. It is not a freaking hole!! It was given the name black hole, because things went in and didn't come out, and it was invisible because no light could escape from it.


So? How does it change what I've been saying?

And besides, I get what gorotsuki was saying now with Kellimus's explanation.

The problem was with gorotsuki not being able to type correctly and I couldn't understand what he was trying to explain, so I questioned him and he flames me.

Especially with this:
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how can i put this so you will understand it......is it a........HOLE! there is nothing where there was something and it has made a vacuum in space that is trying to be filled.



Hmm I think I finally understand this sentence:
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......a star is a hole hell of a lot bigger than a ballon. and what if ,in the massive explosion, it moves over somewhere


I think he meant "whole"

BTW: I did read your first post before, it's just that I was talking about what gorotsuki was talking about.

It's also interesting to see how he first reponded to Kellimus not understanding what he originally said with this:

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i'm going to use little words so your week mind can comprehend alright numb nuts? 


Report, edit, etc...Posted by timmy8586 on 2005-06-16 at 20:36:13
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 16 2005, 06:40 PM)
It's also interesting to see how he first reponded to Kellimus not understanding what he originally said with this:
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WOW. Why do you do this? disgust.gif
Why post if you're just gonna be an ass. It's an obvious joke. Why else would Kellimus reply jokingly? You CAN'T say that you didn't understand it, you're just trying to be a censored.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-16 at 20:58:05
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You CAN'T say that you didn't understand it, you're just trying to be a  .


How can I not say that? The whole time I was trying to understand, my first post was even a damn question, yet he replied like an jackass and started this argument, which is about nothing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by timmy8586 on 2005-06-16 at 21:15:35
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 16 2005, 07:58 PM)
How can I not say that? The whole time I was trying to understand, my first post was even a damn question, yet he replied like an jackass and started this argument, which is about nothing.
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gorotsuki wasn't talking to you when he said that.
Try reading everything before you be an ass.
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That does sound plausible. But I still don't understand fully what you are trying to say? Would you please explain a bit more?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-16 at 21:28:38
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gorotsuki wasn't talking to you when he said that.
Try reading everything before you be an ass.
No crap he wasn't talking to me, it was an example.

His reply to me was even worse than his "joke" to kellimus, why don't you try reading everything you idiot.

Replies usually come AFTER another post, and that is what I said:

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my first post was even a damn question, yet he replied like an jackass and started this argument, which is about nothing.


Which means this post:

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wow.....just when i thought you could get no dumber( yes i said dumber)you go and pull that shit..... no it was not covering a black hole, and i have never heard of a planet going super nova. the star was in one place for a long ass time, then i starts to get bigger. like blowing up a ballon, everything around it is moving to make room for it. well......a star is a hole hell of a lot bigger than a ballon. and what if ,in the massive explosion, it moves over somewhere. there is nothing left but a.........lets see now, how can i put this so you will understand it......is it a........HOLE! there is nothing where there was something and it has made a vacuum in space that is trying to be filled.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-16 at 21:47:06
Man devilesk, all the new people have acted mean to you lately.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 23:16:22
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 16 2005, 06:28 PM)
No crap he wasn't talking to me, it was an example.

His reply to me was even worse than his "joke" to kellimus, why don't you try reading everything you idiot.

Replies usually come AFTER another post, and that is what I said:
Which means this post:
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Damn, getting off topic again Devilesk? Why can't you stay on?"

On Topic

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How do you think the sun is producing light? It's recycling energy from other stuff going on in the universe. Otherwise, it would be CREATING the energy we rely on. Which contradicts physics.


I thought that light was created by the sun by Fusion... Isn't that how light is created from stars........? How can a sun "recycle" energy? I don't think anything in the universe recycles energy...........
Report, edit, etc...Posted by timmy8586 on 2005-06-16 at 23:19:43
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 16 2005, 10:16 PM)
I thought that light was created by the sun by Fusion...  Isn't that how light is created from stars........?  How can a sun "recycle" energy?  I don't think anything in the universe recycles energy...........
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It does, just not like that. The sun gets it's energy from bonding hydrogen to form helium. The fusion of the atoms releases an intense amount of energy.

Just read this article if you're really that interested.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/sun.htm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-16 at 23:22:11
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 16 2005, 11:16 PM)
Damn, getting off topic again Devilesk?  Why can't you stay on?"
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Not my fault I have to defend my arguments because these idiots don't know anything. It was relevant to what the idiot timmy was falsely talking about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 23:30:34
QUOTE(timmy8586 @ Jun 16 2005, 08:19 PM)
It does, just not like that. The sun gets it's energy from bonding hydrogen to form helium. The fusion of the atoms releases an intense amount of energy.

Just read this article if you're really that interested.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/sun.htm
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Ah. I knew it was something like that. Aight, cool.

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QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 16 2005, 08:22 PM)
Not my fault I have to defend my arguments because these idiots don't know anything. It was relevant to what the idiot timmy was falsely talking about.
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No offence Devilesk, the only one that shows idiocacy in this thread is you. Flamming someone is relevant? Just because it is an argument, doesn't mean it is a relevent argument to the thread. All you do is flame everyone, when they make you think about what you say. Most of your posts, have idiot, or moron throughout them. Does that not show ignorance? Most of the posts (Not all of them. That includes the ones by Gorotsuki, because he is a just a prick to people) are just stating how you show ignorance because you rebuttle by calling everyone and anything idiots, and morons, because they have a different opinions then you.

When you can learn to hold your temper, and get rid of your ignorance, I will actually believe you are trying to post, on topic.

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So is it the Helium that creates the energy, or the fusion?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by timmy8586 on 2005-06-16 at 23:32:25
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 16 2005, 10:30 PM)
So is it the Helium that creates the energy, or the fusion?
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Fusion. Think of it as hydrogen + pressure = fusion. helium is the byproduct, as well as the energy. That's not always gonna be true, I'm just using it as an example in the case of the sun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-16 at 23:36:23
QUOTE(timmy8586 @ Jun 16 2005, 08:32 PM)
Fusion. Think of it as hydrogen + pressure = fusion. helium is the byproduct, as well as the energy. That's not always gonna be true, I'm just using it as an example in the case of the sun.
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So, is that why the sun expands when it starts to die out, cause of the Helium?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-06-17 at 00:43:05
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 16 2005, 04:40 PM)
So? How does it change what I've been saying?
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No, I was helping you...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-17 at 15:12:12
I know, but it still doesn't change what I was saying. You make it sound like I claimed black holes were this and that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-18 at 06:05:55
no, fusion is more like
any material + super immense heat + pressure = fusion
then molecules bounce together into a more massive crap.
but black holes dont form by fusion, it forms by a massive blow collapsing on the inner core
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-06-18 at 15:06:25
Yeah, thats right. Black holes form when massive masses fall in upon themselves to gravity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-06-18 at 15:53:50
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any material + super immense heat + pressure = fusion
Stars fuse atoms together to form all the elements up to iron. When a star is composed entirely of iron, it stops all fusion process, then it explodes, creating all the other elements. So not any material can work for fusion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-18 at 16:04:30
QUOTE(ChaoticS @ Jun 18 2005, 03:05 AM)
no, fusion is more like
any material + super immense heat + pressure = fusion
then molecules bounce together into a more massive crap.
but black holes dont form by fusion, it forms by a massive blow collapsing on the inner core
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We never said that black holes were formed by fusion. You need to pay more attention.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-06-20 at 18:20:04
I think it might be interesting to go through a dark hole, as chances are you won't feel pain (even though chances are you are going to be stretched into a lot of light-years). Other then that, it might lead to other universes, it might just be a sun sort of thing with massive gravatic force, or it might be something else altogether. yahoo.gif yahoo.gif yahoo.gif
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