Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-08-07 at 12:27:40
...And what did he actually do that was wrong?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-08-07 at 12:36:04
Anyways i've been looking in Battle.net forums and this a quote I found from one of the Blizz Reps on the subject.
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?F...al&T=134353&P=2
QUOTE(JohnDS post 40)
I am always amazed by the genius and hard work involved in something like this. I am sure the developers are equally impressed. Like many seemingly benign discoveries, history (and comic books) has proven that someone will always try to use this type of power for evil. I do not know if the team will find this issue "patch-worthy" or if they use the information to address a side-effect possibility that could stem from it.
The important thing is to protect the community. Sometimes, this comes at the cost of upsetting the minority. If that ends up being the case, I do apologize. However, at this point, it is a decision for the designers.
The important thing is to protect the community. Sometimes, this comes at the cost of upsetting the minority. If that ends up being the case, I do apologize. However, at this point, it is a decision for the designers.
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?F...al&T=134353&P=2
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Desperado on 2005-08-07 at 13:06:23
I think that the idea of them patching this is ridiculous, and if they do so it is outrageous. There are plenty of other ways to crash SC using triggers or even without using triggers that affect both PCs and Macs. It would be insane to patch this one problem while other methods go unchecked.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-07 at 13:12:58
Yea, they should try patching things that crash both PC's and Mac's at least 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-07 at 13:19:30
What's really annoying is the drop hack, where any player can just make other players drop instantly from the game.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-08-07 at 13:37:37
QUOTE(Sessasse @ Aug 7 2005, 12:39 AM)
Can't we just creat a new Sc Server which using 1.13 version? 
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Ya, I agree, I think it's time we cut blizzard lose and take starcraft into our own hands. As far as UMS maps go, it's really our game now, and bilzzard has done nothing but harm.[right][snapback]280833[/snapback][/right]Now the only question, would creating our own mini verson of battle.net be legal? (My guess is yes).
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QUOTE((U)Bolt_Head @ Aug 7 2005, 11:25 AM)
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QUOTE(JohnDS post 40)
I am always amazed by the genius and hard work involved in something like this. I am sure the developers are equally impressed. Like many seemingly benign discoveries, history (and comic books) has proven that someone will always try to use this type of power for evil. I do not know if the team will find this issue "patch-worthy" or if they use the information to address a side-effect possibility that could stem from it.
The important thing is to protect the community. Sometimes, this comes at the cost of upsetting the minority. If that ends up being the case, I do apologize. However, at this point, it is a decision for the designers.
PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM WHAT! STOP JUMPING TO The important thing is to protect the community. Sometimes, this comes at the cost of upsetting the minority. If that ends up being the case, I do apologize. However, at this point, it is a decision for the designers.
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Look at my new siggy. Also, I think I've lost about 5 posts becuase I was lazy and used additions instead of edits.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-08-07 at 13:39:35
You guys said that it would be nearly unpatchable (require a big patch) with the muta morph and whatnot that was discovered, and you're saying the same about this. The problem is that this isn't legal, it's a hack, I sense Blizzard will patch this within two weeks or less. The Mac crash problem is even more reason...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-07 at 13:44:10
Yeah. Maps are hacks.
Data update for uBeR@TiOn; download for more set/modify variety.
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Data update for uBeR@TiOn; download for more set/modify variety.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by scwizard on 2005-08-07 at 13:50:43
I actually think that it will take a lot longer then that, they would have to rework the program a LOT.
The muta hack isn't patched, it's just that memgraft hasn't been rereleaced.
And it's near impossible to stop macs from crashing in situations when windows computers would crash. I don't think they could patch exstended players.
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EUD works with the privious patches, so I don't think blizzard will be able to patch this up.
The muta hack isn't patched, it's just that memgraft hasn't been rereleaced.
And it's near impossible to stop macs from crashing in situations when windows computers would crash. I don't think they could patch exstended players.
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EUD works with the privious patches, so I don't think blizzard will be able to patch this up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-07 at 13:55:42
Most glitches worked with the previous patches.
The muta morph thing has been patched. If you watch the replay of me doing it again, you will see that it's impossible for it to exist again.
The muta morph thing has been patched. If you watch the replay of me doing it again, you will see that it's impossible for it to exist again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-08-07 at 14:16:06
QUOTE(Battle.net User Agreement Liscense)
You are entitled to use Battle.net for your own personal use, but you shall not be entitled to
(ii) copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, modify, disassemble, or de-compile in whole or in part any Battle.net software;
(iv) host or provide matchmaking services for any Blizzard software programs or emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard as part of Battle.net, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying or adding components to the Program, use of a utility program, or any other technique now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose, including, but not limited to, network play over the Internet, network play utilizing commercial or non-commercial gaming networks, or as part of content aggregation networks without the prior written consent of Blizzard or exploit Battle.net or any of its parts for any commercial purpose, including, but not limited to, use at a location such as a cyber cafe, arcade, or other location where users are charged a fee, whether hourly or otherwise, to use Battle.net;
(v) use any third-party software to modify Battle.net to change game play, including, but not limited to cheats and/or hacks;
(viii) harass, threaten, stalk, embarrass, or cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort upon another user of Battle.net or other person or entity; cheat during gameplay, including but not limited to modification of the game program files;
(xv) modify any file that Blizzard does not specifically authorize you to modify;
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(iv) host or provide matchmaking services for any Blizzard software programs or emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard as part of Battle.net, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying or adding components to the Program, use of a utility program, or any other technique now known or hereafter developed, for any purpose, including, but not limited to, network play over the Internet, network play utilizing commercial or non-commercial gaming networks, or as part of content aggregation networks without the prior written consent of Blizzard or exploit Battle.net or any of its parts for any commercial purpose, including, but not limited to, use at a location such as a cyber cafe, arcade, or other location where users are charged a fee, whether hourly or otherwise, to use Battle.net;
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5. Content Uploads to Battle.net. You may upload content to Battle.net in various forms, including, but not limited to, the selections you make for the Program, in chat rooms, and similar user-to-user areas (collectively, your "Content"). Your Content shall not: (a) infringe any third party intellectual property, other proprietary or publicity/privacy rights; (b) violate any law or regulation; © be defamatory, obscene, or pornographic; or (d) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, cancelbots, worms, time bombs, or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept, or expropriate any system, data, or personal information. Blizzard reserves the right to any legal remedies available to Blizzard with respect to your Content, including, but not limited to, termination of your use of Battle.net if we believe your Content may create liability for Blizzard or may cause Blizzard to lose (in whole or in part) the services of our ISPs or other suppliers. You hereby grant to Blizzard a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicenseable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise all intellectual property rights, in any media now known or not currently known, associated with your Content.
That right there should be reason enough for all of us to know that this is going to be somehow fixed, it still remains possible for small viruses to be put in maps, this goes against 5 out of 19 EULA restrictions, and there are also many other reasons as to why Blizzard is going to fix this. This could cause major liability problems for Blizzard.
...By the way, I like SEN's new banner.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 14:19:42
next thing you know blizzard will patych all 3rd party editors, the gods of war triggers, and anything that makes the game different than they expected, which i think would be really stupid beacause there goes their buisness,
starcraft gets gayer as each patch comes
starcraft gets gayer as each patch comes
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-08-07 at 14:20:48
You realize we've broken the EULA so many times already?
I think the only reason starcraft is here like this still is because blizzard is nice enough to let us break some of them. :/
I think the only reason starcraft is here like this still is because blizzard is nice enough to let us break some of them. :/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 14:25:31
expect no mods, as the mod team will be pointless, this whole site is against the whole agreement, which sucks.
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someone post the agreement for the SC Campain Editor
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i think sc has just noticed that we made their game better
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someone post the agreement for the SC Campain Editor
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i think sc has just noticed that we made their game better
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-07 at 14:32:01
QUOTE(lil-shorty @ Aug 7 2005, 11:19 AM)
next thing you know blizzard will patych all 3rd party editors, the gods of war triggers, and anything that makes the game different than they expected, which i think would be really stupid beacause there goes their buisness,
starcraft gets gayer as each patch comes
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starcraft gets gayer as each patch comes
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You can't patch the 3rd party editors.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-08-07 at 14:47:19
QUOTE(lil-shorty @ Aug 7 2005, 01:19 PM)
starcraft gets gayer as each patch comes
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No one is forcing you to play their games, you still choose to. One reason they patched the muta morph and probably this is to save them from liability problems, and it's a modification, which is not supported. This is Blizzard's game and not ours.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-07 at 14:55:22
Um, you do realize posting the End User Liscense Agreement was retarded?
Everyone here obviously broke half the rules, regardless of what you've done. I also see a lot of pornographic maps out there, which the Agreement sais is not allowed. If you've used a mod, you've broken those rules. If you've used Penguin Plug, you've broken those rules. If you've used Starforge/SCMDraft, you've broken those rules.
Everyone here obviously broke half the rules, regardless of what you've done. I also see a lot of pornographic maps out there, which the Agreement sais is not allowed. If you've used a mod, you've broken those rules. If you've used Penguin Plug, you've broken those rules. If you've used Starforge/SCMDraft, you've broken those rules.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 14:55:43
Let Just Kick Blizz ass'es for good.
Anyway, I bet 5, that Dk will find a way to By pass the Patch
Anyway, I bet 5, that Dk will find a way to By pass the Patch
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-08-07 at 15:01:01
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 7 2005, 01:55 PM)
Um, you do realize posting the End User Liscense Agreement was retarded?
Everyone here obviously broke half the rules, regardless of what you've done. I also see a lot of pornographic maps out there, which the Agreement sais is not allowed. If you've used a mod, you've broken those rules. If you've used Penguin Plug, you've broken those rules. If you've used Starforge/SCMDraft, you've broken those rules.
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Everyone here obviously broke half the rules, regardless of what you've done. I also see a lot of pornographic maps out there, which the Agreement sais is not allowed. If you've used a mod, you've broken those rules. If you've used Penguin Plug, you've broken those rules. If you've used Starforge/SCMDraft, you've broken those rules.
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Actually, I had a quite lengthy conversation with a Battle.net rep a while ago, and we discussed PenguinPlug and BWChart compared to maphacks and whatnot. They said that while PP and BWC are a third party program, they are more worried about the more dangerous/potentially more dangerous and game altering programs/hacks.
This is a potentially more dangerous program/hack.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UED77 on 2005-08-07 at 15:05:12
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This is a potentially more dangerous program/hack.
But since it's done via triggers, it only works in UMS games. No victory/loss records are kept of UMS games, and every player has the right to play another map, if he is not satisfied with a certain one. Additionally, modifiable memory is fully limited to SC Memory. The only inconvenience this technique has is that it's Windows-only, and that would give the Dev Team a valid reason to come out with a new patch. However, fixing it because it's "potentially dangerous" is hardly a reason.
UED77
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-07 at 15:18:45
Anyway, Working with these are not for everyone!! So chill the out, and leave this patching idea alone.
http://artpad.art.com/?ikv9f68rlcc
out, and leave this patching idea alone.http://artpad.art.com/?ikv9f68rlcc
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-08-07 at 16:07:48
QUOTE(m.r.bob @ Aug 7 2005, 12:37 PM)
Now the only question, would creating our own mini verson of battle.net be legal? (My guess is yes).
There are or at least have been independant Servers. I downloaded a file once that changed my server list without me knowing it. Allowing me only to connect to a private server. I had to delete my registry for battle.net inorder to fix the problem.
And i do belive it is illegal.
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QUOTE(JohnDS post 40)
I am always amazed by the genius and hard work involved in something like this. I am sure the developers are equally impressed. Like many seemingly benign discoveries, history (and comic books) has proven that someone will always try to use this type of power for evil. I do not know if the team will find this issue "patch-worthy" or if they use the information to address a side-effect possibility that could stem from it.
The important thing is to protect the community. Sometimes, this comes at the cost of upsetting the minority. If that ends up being the case, I do apologize. However, at this point, it is a decision for the designers.
PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM WHAT! STOP JUMPING TO The important thing is to protect the community. Sometimes, this comes at the cost of upsetting the minority. If that ends up being the case, I do apologize. However, at this point, it is a decision for the designers.
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They arn't jumping to conclusions, you guys are. He never said that they are patching Starcraft because of this. He simply said that they were looking into it to see if it can cause a problem. And then he stated that it is more important to insure our safty than to keep a minority happy. If you were capable of looking at it from another persons point of view you would understand that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-08-07 at 17:02:36
Yea I agree with Bolt and what JohnDS said, I dont' see anything wrong with what he said. Looking into what's going on to make sure it won't be harmful to SC is what any good responsible development team who patches SC should do I would hope. At least they are taking the time to look into it. Think about what would happen if they didn't look into the mutamorph hack and never patched it. As he said, they are deciding whether it is "patch-worthy".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-08-07 at 17:09:19
Go figure, I go away on vacation on a computer that has no starcraft 
Woot for uberation when I get back Thursday!
Woot for uberation when I get back Thursday!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-08-07 at 17:37:25
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Aug 7 2005, 01:16 PM)
That right there should be reason enough for all of us to know that this is going to be somehow fixed, it still remains possible for small viruses to be put in maps, this goes against 5 out of 19 EULA restrictions, and there are also many other reasons as to why Blizzard is going to fix this. This could cause major liability problems for Blizzard.
...By the way, I like SEN's new banner.
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...By the way, I like SEN's new banner.
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anybody, give me a map with a virus on it through bn. And if it does have a virus on it, prove that it was made through the EUD trigs, not with something else.
Infact, let's ban all UMS maps period, because some of them are some how magically able to have viruses in them. Cause you know, we should never take chances.
I just hope Blizzard doesn't turn their back on quite possibly their best game ever made.