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I was attempting to be objective in the matters of argument. Oops on the something that doesn't that was my mistake. I accidentally started a sentence, deleted it halfway, and continued. And it is a hypocrisy: the fact that we would use something that violates the agreement, and not use something that does, be it good or bad, is a hypocrisy. I don't mean to be... insensitive to the needs of the community, but we must look at the sides of an argument, and decide for ourselves which is best. I also voiced my personal opinion after the arguments for both sides, although I may not have marked them clearly, and I apologize.

if this doesnt crash macs then i dont no why blizzard would patch this other then ur using a 3rd party program and its their game.

and yes blizzard doesnt care if u use mods, well for warcraf atleast:
http://www.battle.net/files.shtml
look at the red link under Warcraft III.

With this, and method 2 of the "God Triggers", we basically spat on patch 1.13b.

- "Kekeke"

Yes, EUD triggers would be done the same way it was done before.

EUDEnabler is not yet confirmed to crash MACs, but it could very well do so. It would be a reason to patch it out, but since EUDEnabler could end up crashing any who don't use it while playing a EUD trigger map. And yes, we did spit on 1.13b. Took a nice big s*** on it too with this. But remember it is Blizzard's game, and they could just as easily s*** on us. They do control Battle.net.

Hum, I don't really know what to think about this.

On one hand blizzard has turned a more or less blind eye to programs like hanstar and penguin plug, but there is still the fear of this being considered a bad hack. I think the difference can be drawn in their purpose. This porgram isn't designed to give one person an unfair advantage in the game. I think the best course would be to modify the SEN policy on "hacks" to be against any 3rd party program specifically designed to give one singular person an unfair advantage in a game.

The other thing to worry about is the possible malicious nature. EUDs were patched not because of the macs crashing but because it was possible to execute malicious code using them. I think a good course of action would be to try and modify the possible range of EUDs to disable the possible malicious code. I'm not sure if that's possible, but if it was it would be an extremly useful thing.

Yes, the No-CD hack is bad. It allows even people without the game to play it.

I don't know why DTBK is closing those topics but I'm sure Yoshi has always been against nothing but 'bad' hacks. I mean he himself has hosted hacks which enabled people to play a map with sound while others could play it without sound (also known as a mod - hmm those are hacks aren't they?). And I know Kame just misunderstood it, she had no idea what penguin plug is.

My friends account got banned becuase his site had hacks on it. If this is considered a hack, then im not sure we should use it! Also, blizzard might be able to track this like heim said people can run stuff on your PC. So blizzard does the same thing and sees if your usign it then maybe ban your account.

Just a thought!

- Pauper

Overall, not a bad idea. But just who are we going to find that is willing to try to find a way to limit malicious code execution in EUDs? SEN could get a team together to research this, or this idea could be submitted to Blizzard for consideration. But as for "patched not because of macs", it's not a far fetched idea to say so, considering the vague wording in the patch release.

Battle.Net people control alot. During the time when all keys were unvoided, a friend of a friend loaded his op channel and there were 2 reps in the channel with us. Reps go invisible in private channels but if the channel says 38 people in it, but you can't join the channel then there is a rep in there. The reps couldn't ban the keys or anything so they resorted to make the 35 loadbots in there rejoin rapidly to try and kill the proxies while we were laughing at them and after 5 or so minutes they left.

Blizzard also went after Stealth and the Stealthbot to try and shut that down, but after about 5+ generated emails, Stealth replying to them and a petition to not shut down the Stealthbot project, Blizzard finally left them alone.

It's not necessarily bad, especially for those who did not have access to their BW CDs, and only wish to have fun with people they knew on Battle.net. But for the most part, I think it's used irresponsibly but the public who use it becuase they are too lazy to spend ten dollars on a game you can find almost anywhere.



If you manually disconnect yourself, or if you disconnect from a random occurence, Battle.net does not recognize as you being signed off. It takes Battle.net a full five minutes to detect the status of a disconnected person who DIDN'T use the "Quit" option, or any of the keyboard shortcuts to disable them and free up the CD-key again for those who wish to log back on. This downtime could give people the time to get away before Blizzard could detect EUDEnabler settings. And also, Blizzard is unlikely to have a dedicated team of hackers who hack into someone's computer simply to expose the slight possibilty of that person being a hacker. It would be hypocritical of the EULA, and also far too expensive. To focus on exposing potential hackers instead of looking out for the best interest of the people is NOT responsible for the game of Starcraft, Battle.net, and its map making community. They rather wait until a hacker exposes himself to ridicule and CD-Key disabling. And also in the recent posts, evolipel and I were discussing the validity of the arguement of somethig that is or is not considered a hack. People will always use "hacks" that violate the Starcraft EULA but sometimes not consider it anything malicious to Starcraft: SCXE, Starforge, etc. And they will also use actual hacks and cheats that spur the game towards their favour.

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This is true. I also followed the communications between Stealth and Blizzard after Blizzard Anti-Piracy Team allowed the communications to be published on Stealthbot.net.

Omfg...

This already happened. Back when it was first discovered. Hey, remember that thing called patch 1.13b? Well guess what, Blizzard didn't just go ahead and make a patch, wasting several people's work time because they felt like it or because it crashed Macs.

A lot of things could be put into maps that crash even PC's. Like the "extended" units or colors, etc. If Blizzard really cared about people going out of their way to crash SC via maps, they'd patch those too.

No, they already had the method for consideration, and they figured it could be used to execute malicious code. That's the reason they patched it. What else could there be? Just think critically for a moment.

I was not referring to when it was first discovered, I was referring to NOW. And I never said they patched to 1.13b JUST because of MACs. And they could patch those, but what too have they not patched out, but been clearly aware of for sometime? (Independent Command Center, which crashes, Jump Gate, which crashes, the ability to disable certain Terran buildings also crashes Starcraft if you attempt to view them, as well as certain Zerg buildings and the Lurker Egg). But for the most part, they do patch things out as necessary with a good degree of concern. And besides MACs crashing and malicious code execution, there could also possibly be something seriously wrong with the EUDs that Blizzard would decide NOT to release such information to the public. But as far as we know, it was not any another reason than the first two. But it cannot be dismissed, unless you actually work at Blizzard and were one of the people that made patch 1.13b.

I highly doubt they patched it just because of macs, I am pretty sure they agreed with my view that malicious code execution was possible (and now is again).

Lol, Tav i have noticed u have posted every other post. Nice way to bump up ur post count. (JK)

I loved the ideas of EUDs before they got patched. But, making patches to use them to me sounds kind of a waste. However, i dont think i understand. Both people have to have been patched to use a map with EUDs? And if only one person is patched, then the others are dropped? Or have u just not tested it yet? Anyhow i could see a section for EUD maps on this site to be made, just for ppl who are close friends and are patched to use.

Thanks, I do what I can. And I think that the options must be made aware; I find myself repeating everything I say. If it happens to bump up my post count, that's a rather unfortunate side effect. I pound the same d*** information over and over again down people's throats.



Again, I must say that they probably did not do it for ABSOLUTELY JUST the MACs alone, but it seems anything bad can be done trough EUDs now, although it may not be the map itself, but the program that transfers this data.



Indeed.

It's called being active and debating about a topic.

Just to warn you, if Blizzard emails about getting this removed, then it'll have to get removed. If you use this, you use it at your own risk.

It's rather clear to us who use this program. Felagund's post on page two sums up what I wish to say pretty clearly. I don't wish to seem disrespectful if I come off as such. We should do as the limits of time allow to us, before we get put on the "banned for life list".

we can always set a Freewebs for this , also i havent seen post about this on b.net forums, this thread is free of ihateit

Come to think of it, the post on Battle.Net's forums look awfully liked it was copied from the Original Explanation about the RAM and stuff from SEN....

i mean nobody is complaining about it

Its not like i dont like this program, because i really do. Its just that i wish u didnt have to be patched to use it. Do u guys like the idea about a map section DLDB just for EDU maps to be added? And are ppl going to research EDUs further?

Unfortunately, yes, one does have to have the newest patch (1.13b) to use it because that's the patch that is used on Battle.net, which is what EUDEnabler does, although for single-player also. Although I am not an administrator, but it is possible that a EUD-only section could be added in the near future if this program is not patched or undone by Blizzard. And if Blizzard decides to not take any major action against EUDs any longer, EUD research is bound to go through the roof.

Umm .. someone really hates us..



http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?f...tmp=1#new134353

It's about the old one, but Blizzard found out. Lol, even the rep said he was amazed.

Yeow.. everyone knows that.. that is HOW blizzard mainly find out, I don't know which douchebag would post as SEN_Community, but yeah, we all know about that thread. That is what caused blizzard to patch it after they researched into it.