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You're comparing programs that modify different aspects of Starcraft, completely different tools made to do completely different things. Based on your logic, you can compare knives and spoons, because both are used for eating, even though spoons don't cut bread and knives don't hold soup.


You can't mod triggers. EUDEnabler does that, and they ban people who use it, so you can't mod triggers and go online with it. They weren't "protecting" people by banning them.

Not always. When someone says something, but they have an ulterior motive, is it always possible to find out what that person wants? And maybe you should F*** off because you are wrong for once and you should shut up? I think that would be a grand idea. And no one is ging to join your pathetic group of miserable losers, which feature above all else, you, devilesk.



He's right you know. It is kind of a flawed comparison to compare Internet Explorer and SCMDraft. You can't get one without the toher, and the other serves a series of specific purposes on a program that bases itself off the other. See that? No sarcasm! You should try it sometime.

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Yes they were, they were protecting the other people who don;t use this from interacting with people that did. Not that it is necessarily a desirable protection.

No, they weren't protecting ANYTHING. People that did and didn't could interact perfectly fine.

I explained why Devilesk's comparison is flawed.

So there's some kind of code that scans to see if trigger code was modified and sends in an 'omgbanme' packet to Blizzard or something?

LOL!

Also DK, the shockwave guy, the guy who argues for blizzard on the bnet forums, was saying that blizzard whould never take the time to patch the security holes in EUD while keeping the whole intact becuase it was financial suicide. He said I should take an economics class and stop throwing around terms like guts.
(I said I thought it would be nice if blizzard had the guts to spend their resources on compelely patching EUDs and hoping they got some kind of financial return from it in the form of donations and extra sold copies of SC, instead of just making sure that no one sues them over SC while milking WOW for all it's got)

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I think it can be safely contained, not without effort though. A good bet is for blizzard to open a seperate mini EUD server that's carefully monitored and that they need to sign a thing saying that maps on this server might send bad code to their computer and they play there at their own risk, then whenever they see a virus map, take action to close that hole.

Have fun with that if they ever do it. They won't. The modding community has always had to work around Blizzard as far as Starcraft goes, never with Blizzard, it seems. Also, keep in mind that having Blizzard go through and blacklist every hole anyone ever finds would take far too much time and money on their end. Let them milk WoW, let's come up with our own solution, because, face it, if you want modding directly from maps, you aren't going to get it back from Blizzard, you're going to get it back from people like Heimdal, SI, DK, or anyone else interested in the whole disassembling / reverse engineering scene.

First of all, you should read the posts that I have used sarcasm in. You need to learn reading comprehension, and know what context things are in.

I don't appreciate your insults because they are uncalled for, but I will agree for you because you are always right, and there's no use arguing when I have clearly lost the argument.

And before you insult my "pathetic" group, you should learn what the group is for. And since you don't, I recommend that you DO join my group, you would fit right in.

I disagree, I have full browsing capabilities equal to that and better than Internet Explorer in my SCMDraft plugin.

LOLEDED!!!

I did. And I have a fine reading comprehension, but unlike talking, one cannot always be sure when someone is sarcastic. Sometimes, people WILL misinterpret something. This case is not one of them.



Fine I take back the insults.



I do know what it is for. Although, I don't think I will ever be in the same group as you are. If so, it would mean the end of the universe.

Unfortunately for you, you don't have good reading comprehension, especially if you can't tell when someone is make an absurd comment and in what context he's talking in. And if you thought that my sarcastic comments were serious, then I'm insulted because that is basically saying I'm dumb. Especially since you could easily counter my sarcastic comments with your opposing views.

Oh well. People need to do stuff with EUD conditions, not actions more. The conditions, in my eyes, were so much cooler.

Think about games in WC3, there's a thing in the beginning where you vote on if you want to see the tutorial or not. With conditions, you could make it like that! Easy vote bans too!

Where can you get the EUD conditions?

What's absurd is that people that argue against each other even when they have similar views! We're on the same side! And countering sarcasm isn't all it's cracked up to be, and I am not calling you dumb.



Uberation 2.0.0.8 and .7 has a comprehensive condition editor. Otherwise, you can check almost every post for the last month, for what these conditions can do or their moral implications.

Yea it's absurd because you can't pick out clear posts of sarcasm. And countering the posts I made in the other topic was very easy. And by believing I was serious when I was being sarcastic is indirectly insulting my intelligence.

im not surprised. While games like dont look at the dot! are innocent, others could open up for major spyware, viruses, and other crap

So.... what can we do with the conditions that are left...? Can we make stuff happen if someone types something??

that's not always true. People can misinterpret waht you said. And I don'tmean to insult your intellegence. Only you, but I can yell at you using Starcraft, couldn't I?

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Yes...
Didn't you read the posts concerning this? We still ahve conditions. All of them.

... By not knowing what I am saying, and thinking I am serious instead of being sarcastic is insulting my intelligence, especially when you strongly oppose those views and mock me for thinking that way, when I really don't. Misinterpretation has nothing to do with this at all.

Well you did not say strongly oppose before. And I don't understand how thinking that you are serious when you are being sarcastic is insulting to your intellegence. If anything it should only hurt your ego. Ego is not intellegence, is it?

I did not read the other posts thoroughly besides I wasn't sure if that was a condition to begin with....

Also, can we detect what upgrades players have?

Yes you can. You can do blamloads of thing with conditions, that in my opinion, are better than the actions.

damn guys, is all this nessicery?

Bliz wants to protect it's customers, and EUDs allowed viruses, and spyware to pop out of games

That is also considered a condition. PLEASE go and download Uberation 2.0.0.7 or .8 PLEASE. I am getting rather annoyed by your lack of listening to me. Uberation has compiled ALL of the EUD conditions as thus far. PLEASE go and take a look at it, or take a look at the original post, which is now in the portal news archives. If something sounds like it is a condition, NOT an action, then it is likely to be a condition. Action is doing something. Condition is a thing that must be fulfilled. Do you understand? And if you don't read the posts thoroughly, then you will ask questions that were already answered. This causes alot of pissing off, especially if I have to type it over... and over... and over again.

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Depends on what you are asking. What exactly is necessary? Our research, or Blizzard's means? Please clarify.

well, I am talking about all this insulting.

Just accept the fact that blizzard wishes for EUDs to stop, and find different ways to push the limits of starcraft maps