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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-04 at 19:30:50
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I do agree that Blizzard abandoned Starcraft


Ya, I'm sure patching a game three times in a month is abandoning it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-04 at 19:49:19
I think the reason for this is because the of advertisements. By going to another server, the people won't be able to view them, thus lowering the overall view of the ads.

And we all know, the more views an ad gets, the more money they get. Businesses. -.-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-09-04 at 19:57:38
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I see no big prices in there. Starcraft is just $10 and you play for free for ever. WoW you need $60 to buy the game and then $15 monthly to play. Those $15 monthly are for patches and in-game support. They have Gamemasters that help you with any problems you encounter with the server and/or system. Each patch is like a whole expansion set. $15 a month isn't a lot, it's just 50 cents a day. That means one less coke can per day per 3 weeks.
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You're wrong about the $15 cost. The overwhelming majority of the $15 goes to server maintenance and that alone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DaMiNaToR on 2005-09-04 at 22:59:27
The idiocy of it all....why doesn't Blizzard just set up more servers if people want faster response?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-04 at 23:04:17
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The idiocy of it all....why doesn't Blizzard just set up more servers if people want faster response?


Why doesn't Blizzard just make SC2 because we want it as well?

I don't even see how people wanting faster servers and Blizzard having to set them up relates to Blizzard suing over people reverse engineering the game except for the fact that it affects pirated servers.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-09-04 at 23:23:55
Ah, you melee'ers got upset when Deathknight "broke the EULA," but this stuff isn't bad at all, even though they're guilty of the same crime.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2005-09-05 at 04:58:54
Haha DEAD's a moron. biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-09-05 at 07:32:36
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The idiocy of it all....why doesn't Blizzard just set up more servers if people want faster response?


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I don't even see how people wanting faster servers and Blizzard having to set them up relates to Blizzard suing over people reverse engineering the game except for the fact that it affects pirated servers.


Devilesk is right. It doesn't. More servers from the same host means slower response times. The only thing Blizzard can do to please everyone is to take down all the servers on Battle.net down, and make them faster. And Blizzard was suing because they were losing money. Now not only do they get the money back, but they also prevent further money hemmorages.

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I see no big prices in there. Starcraft is just $10 and you play for free for ever. WoW you need $60 to buy the game and then $15 monthly to play. Those $15 monthly are for patches and in-game support. They have Gamemasters that help you with any problems you encounter with the server and/or system. Each patch is like a whole expansion set. $15 a month isn't a lot, it's just 50 cents a day. That means one less coke can per day per 3 weeks.


No big prices? There's maintenence, employee wages, patent costs, payment to the mother company (Vivendi), the cost to make more copies of every game (which is shared by the publisher, in this case: Blizzard, so, no cost reduction), the cost to ship out the games, etc. They make money by the Ads in Battle.net, which is less than a dollar per FULL VIEW: you actually have to either watch them through multiple times, or go away from the keyboard in a channel. And they sell the actual games. This leads to a not-so thin surplus margin. Vivendi is also a sponsor type figure, giving Blizzard MORE money to finance their games. If they wanna keep Vivendi happy, they have to make more money for them to give to Vivendi. Blizzard needed this to give themselves a larger surplus margin, making their lives easier; perhaps leading to a development of SC2? So stop complaining, and let them do what they need to do to survive. If Blizzard goes down, who has the rights to make SC2? No one. Unless they trade it away. *Worlds collide as the sentence finishes, BOOM* = bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lisk on 2005-09-05 at 07:47:27
Hey, I got legit a SC CD here in Latvia smile.gif

Also some commands are better on private servers.
/r (reply) kicks ass
/ping - great for "who lags?"

I wouldn't say that private servers are any faster... ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DameDaSnipa. on 2005-09-05 at 11:02:12
Well.. I mean Hacks arent really fair but i mean if you use them it just shows how much you suck because you use them..! But will this take effect for Anti-Hacks..?
Now DeathKnight He is a legend because of the you know what happing we have found out EUD which is now patched i think i speak for us all when i say censored.gif you blizzard Sc will never die!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-09-05 at 11:37:51
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Well.. I mean Hacks arent really fair but i mean if you use them it just shows how much you suck because you use them..! But will this take effect for Anti-Hacks..?
Now DeathKnight He is a legend because of the you know what happing we have found out EUD which is now patched i think i speak for us all when i say  you blizzard Sc will never die!!


Hacks and Anti-Hacks fall under the same category in the EULA violation. We wouldn't need anti hacks if no one used hacks. And Blizzard is not trying to intentionally kill Starcraft. To patch a game three time in a month is not exactly killing, is it? Unless they shoot Deathknight, Yoshi, devilesk, and the president of Vivendi, SC won't die. OR they can release SC2. Whichever comes first.

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I wouldn't say that private servers are any faster...


It all depends on the host and how many people use it. The majority of them are faster, but there are slower private servers. But it's for private users usually, to get away from the hacking.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-09-05 at 19:15:11
Frankly, I think they did the right thing..
You don't know how many times illegally dling WoW via torrent and using a private server has crossed my mind...
but I have yet to actually do it.. won't do it for sure now
anyways.. WOW is like 40+ 9 bucks a month or something...
thats like 50 in 2 months if you get a free 1st month...
So...
If you take Y(WOW Players playing on private servers) and multiply by 9...
Blizzard loses that much money guarenteed(hopfully they aren't playing for Blizzard servers)... so I can actually see why blizzard is doing it...
They want the money..
If you were blizzard, youd do it too biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-09-05 at 19:23:16
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Frankly, I think they did the right thing..
You don't know how many times illegally dling WoW via torrent and using a private server has crossed my mind...
but I have yet to actually do it.. won't do it for sure now
anyways.. WOW is like 40+ 9 bucks a month or something...
thats like 50 in 2 months if you get a free 1st month...
So...
If you take Y(WOW Players playing on private servers) and multiply by 9...
Blizzard loses that much money guarenteed(hopfully they aren't playing for Blizzard servers)... so I can actually see why blizzard is doing it...
They want the money..
If you were blizzard, youd do it too


That's that by nine, multiple times per person every month. Plus the cost of downloading WoW illegally (forty-fifty per person/download). Plus maintenence. Maintenence is determined by people who use Battle.net and WoW players on servers, per hour each person is logged on. And corportate taxes, and government taxes. So the damage is even larger than we think.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-09-05 at 19:28:06
Hrmm...
whats the punishment for breaking the rule?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2005-09-05 at 21:27:27
The problem is that Blizzard dosen't control games on private servers.
People can play without paying because they don't actually need a legitimate copy.
Any server that will support a pirated copy of the game is obviously a bad thing.

I'm wondering what the HELL is wrong with all the people who are saying like "Screw Blizzard! Blizzard sucks!1!" and such.
Blizzard is awesome, you guys are imbeciles.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-09-05 at 23:14:21
A few people have been kindof offended by this news article and blizzards actions. I frankly didn't expect this, because this is a community composed of mainly map makers.

By the way, when they say "faster servers", they aren't refering to the program, but more of having your server hosted by a place which has less people on it, thus creating less lag.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-09-06 at 12:12:10
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People can play without paying because they don't actually need a legitimate copy. 
Any server that will support a pirated copy of the game is obviously a bad thing. 
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And why is that so bad? Blizzard gets enough money from legals players and little blizzard creeps like you. And private servers lets players to play for free. Most private servers host beta versions of WoW so they are buggy. And if players want to play full versions they have to pay anyway.
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I'm wondering what the HELL is wrong with all the people who are saying like "Screw Blizzard! Blizzard sucks!1!" and such.
Blizzard is awesome, you guys are imbeciles.

Of course blizzard should be loved but they have done enough things to say "screw blizzard".

They patched EUD. And don't even start saying "that was the right thing" or "EUD could carry viruses". I don't care and I will dislike the patching of EUD anyway.

They delay SC ghost. And the screen shots are horrible. I am angry when they care more about WC than SC.

They make people to pay constantly for playing their game. I am not going to do so.
And most people understand that I can't spare that money for playing games. Only little blizzard creeps like you will flame me about that I am playing for free.
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Haha DEAD's a moron. biggrin.gif

I didn't expected anything else from your like. If little retarded comment is all you can say than don't say anything at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-06 at 12:44:48
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They patched EUD. And don't even start saying "that was the right thing" or "EUD could carry viruses". I don't care and I will dislike the patching of EUD anyway.


All your other reasons are fine, this one is just stupid. But the argument about EUD's has been argued many times before, no use in bringing it back up though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-09-06 at 12:54:47
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All your other reasons are fine, this one is just stupid. But the argument about EUD's has been argued many times before, no use in bringing it back up though.
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Well, I added
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And don't even start saying "that was the right thing" or "EUD could carry viruses". I don't care and I will dislike the patching of EUD anyway.
because I really don't care about what somebody have discussed or something. I just dislike their action when they patched EUD and nothing will change it now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-06 at 13:00:02
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because I really don't care about what somebody have discussed or something. I just dislike their action when they patched EUD and nothing will change it now.


Which is why it is a stupid reason for saying "screw blizzard".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by evolipel on 2005-09-06 at 13:21:53
The probable reason they went through the case again was that they feared that if the ruling wasn't in their favor, somebody could easily use it to defend themselves (legally) if they set up a homebrew WoW server.

...and it's not exactly "on video game hacking", it was more of "if the EULA to the game really holds up in court."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-09-06 at 13:23:43
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And why is that so bad? Blizzard gets enough money from legals players and little blizzard creeps like you. And private servers lets players to play for free. Most private servers host beta versions of WoW so they are buggy. And if players want to play full versions they have to pay anyway. [right][snapback]306633[/snapback][/right]



DEAD you just don't get the point do you? Blizzard are the ones who've

MADE STARCRAFT

Without them, you won't have that game at all!
Thus, they have the right to do

(almost) ANYTHING

They want to Starcraft games, whenever they're legal or not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-09-06 at 13:45:25
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DEAD you just don't get the point do you? Blizzard are the ones who've

MADE STARCRAFT

Without them, you won't have that game at all!
Thus, they have the right to do

(almost) ANYTHING

They want to Starcraft games, whenever they're legal or not.
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Damn, you man. Yes, blizzard made SC 7 years ago. But that doesn't make me blizzard slave/creep or something else. If I want to say "screw blizzard" I can do it. And I didn't say that I don't like blizzard, I just dislike their actions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-09-06 at 15:16:19
QUOTE(evolipel @ Sep 6 2005, 01:21 PM)
...and it's not exactly "on video game hacking", it was more of "if the EULA to the game really holds up in court."
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Im lazy, and I copy and pasted the article title.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-09-06 at 20:36:08
People who are complaining about Blizzard are morons..(no offense)
Guess what..
Blizzard isn't making these games for your satisfaction..
believe it or not, they actually WANT TO MAKE MONEY?
Look... I will bring up my example again...
Do you know how easy it is to Pirate WOW and get a private server?
They lose a good amount of money from that
And don't say they still get a good amount from the paying customers..
Because guess what...
THE GAME ISN'T FREE
So since blizzard has enough paying customers, you have the right to break the rules?
I think not...
Also, when I was asking punishment I meant fines up to like 10k
Is there any of them?
and who would be fined? the server host or the players on the server?
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