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Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2005-10-14 at 12:56:52
In the end, why does it really matter. The evil dictator was taken out of power. Personally, I hope we take oil to compensate for what we've done for the people in Iraq.

For once I would love to see a debate where people do not critisize each other on how they debate.

THIS ISN'T A :censored:ING DEBATE CLASS!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-14 at 14:51:39
QUOTE(@:@ @ Oct 14 2005, 10:56 AM)
In the end, why does it really matter. The evil dictator was taken out of power. Personally, I hope we take oil to compensate for what we've done for the people in Iraq.

For once I would love to see a debate where people do not critisize each other on how they debate.

THIS ISN'T A :censored:ING DEBATE CLASS!!!

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In addition, many of the formal debate rules are simply wrong.

Debate class was painful.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-10-14 at 14:56:44
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In the end, why does it really matter. The evil dictator was taken out of power. Personally, I hope we take oil to compensate for what we've done for the people in Iraq.


That logic flunks in itself. You're just 'admitting' that the U.S. went to war with the oil as their main goal and not really as the 'democracy spreader' some stated (U.S. admin', for one). This just made my day brighter... happy.gif

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For once I would love to see a debate where people do not critisize each other on how they debate.

THIS ISN'T A :censored:ING DEBATE CLASS!!!


And looks who's not telling everyone else how to behave... Start by giving a good and clear example, it's my dare to ya here. dry.gif

I do criticize. Trying to push others (including opponents) to try their best is a good goal for debates, is it not? wink.gif
Of which, in your particular case, it simply doesn't happen. You didn't give me any thrust to counter anything in specific of the dabated topic so far.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2005-10-14 at 23:15:06
Do not twist my words. In my opinion, a good reason we went to Iraq was to take Saddam out of power, not oil. I clearly stated I hope we take some oil to compensate for the war.

I would rather pay less for gas every week then have some random terrorist-supporting arab making money.



Who said I was telling anyone how to behave? It is quite clear to me that my tone was a wish not a command.

Obviously, I am creating arguements based on opinions, which in my opinion (lol) is better for this forum section in general.


As a final note, I don't care how old and smart you are, do not to presume you are better then anyone here. I should warn you right now that you do give off that huge aura of superiority.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-15 at 03:16:25
Basan in an earlier post you/some one requested for me to supply proof, THATS why I did supply proof. Now I get critisized for it just becuase you don't like it? Man......its a hard knock life....

Also you mentioned about people here being bias. Let me tell you that EVERY ONE here including you is bais. It is nearly impossible not to be bais. So let me a sure you that you are bias by countering my statements as well as me being bias toward you in writing this post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-10-17 at 16:08:21
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Do not twist my words. In my opinion, a good reason we went to Iraq was to take Saddam out of power, not oil. I clearly stated I hope we take some oil to compensate for the war.


Do I need say more? (Please, look below.)
QUOTE(@:@ replies to him/herself (in previous post))
... Personally, I hope we take oil to compensate for what we've done for the people in Iraq.


And what you've done for folks in Iraq (other than the Saddam detroning)? I do 'failed' to see the other reasons Bush stated so far (WMD's for one)...

QUOTE(@:@)
I would rather pay less for gas every week then have some random terrorist-supporting arab making money.


I can agree (and somewhat relate) with that. But for starters you (namely, the U.S. admin') should go after the real culprit (aka Saudi Arabia)? Afterall, they're even considered your allies. pinch.gif

QUOTE(@:@)
Who said I was telling anyone how to behave? It is quite clear to me that my tone was a wish not a command.

Obviously, I am creating arguements based on opinions, which in my opinion (lol) is better for this forum section in general.


As a final note, I don't care how old and smart you are, do not to presume you are better then anyone here. I should warn you right now that you do give off that huge aura of superiority.


That all capitalized text below lead me to it... am I to blame? blink.gif

Funny, I never thought of SD as a few couple of (opinion) liners 'arena'. Even still you've played that role... tongue.gif

I do not presume to be better than anyone else around, but that sometimes, imho, some of you need that 'extra push' (as in, asking for reliable sources for one) that's almost assured.
And if I really thought that (aura thingy), I wouldn't even drop by to post so ya know. wink.gif
(For instance, that explains my long term absence - more like eternal - from the BF's SD area.)

QUOTE(Star-Chris)
Basan in an earlier post you/some one requested for me to supply proof, THATS why I did supply proof. Now I get critisized for it just becuase you don't like it? Man......its a hard knock life....

Also you mentioned about people here being bias. Let me tell you that EVERY ONE here including you is bais. It is nearly impossible not to be bais. So let me a sure you that you are bias by countering my statements as well as me being bias toward you in writing this post.


Not that I don't like it... Instaed it didn't supply any single shred of concrete evidence that I could see, other than the authors PoV's (and not in a very journalistic manner, imo). As you can see most of my links are drawn from more acknowledgable News media sites over the Net. wink.gif

And perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough when adressed to Absolute... ermm.gif

We all have/form our own opinions and are biased from the get go. The only unbiased source I can think of now in current times would be a successfully unfrozen Neandertal specimen.
The 'real trick' where I'm trying to get in here is that you must see most of the sources, from different PoV's (either environmental, economic political, etc. etc.) and only then schem your stance upon that issue aftwards. That and revising your PoV's when some evidence shows that you're wrong... even if it's in a small extent. wink.gif
If ain't quite correct I'll give the hand to it, which wasn't the case yet. It's up to you to concede or not. I do know when am wrong and grant the other fella being the more accurate one.

See my own words at other site when acknowledging that was somewhat wrong as merely an example of some sort if ya want.
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As much I love those threory conspiracy sites, this strikes all around the buddies of Saddam. That, you must concur, is very tendencial towards the U.S. administration. When I see those sites to strike many (if not all) possible angles, I feel more stimulated to thrive in'em and find my own stand (from what I read).
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(Example source and my response from other site's SD area.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-17 at 16:16:57
Well, they happily OKed the constitution yesterday. smile.gif

They will certainly be better off than under the torturous (literally) dictator. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-17 at 18:19:31
exactly
Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2005-10-17 at 21:34:43
The Iraqi people are finally beginning to come out of their boxes of security and some voted. I see a bright future for the country of Iraq, however, I am still jobless...

President Bush, please fix the economy ><... -_-;
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-10-18 at 23:48:53
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Attention minorites, stop blaming all your problems on the republicans....Get a job!


quoted from this very funny comedian, Menica or something well he was in the street with a mega phone and I cracked up laughing


Yes it is very hard to get a job at the moment, and its really always been hard to, if you want to get a good job then there will always be compitetion.

I didn't get hired at my local Basken Robins becuase the stupid asian manager in his scattered english stated to me:

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Oh, you play futboolll, you tough guy I no want no trouble with custemer


Are you kidding me? That dude has nothing to do with Bush but for some reason I kind get hired...................
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-10-19 at 10:14:26
QUOTE(Absolute)
Well, they happily OKed the constitution yesterday. smile.gif

They will certainly be better off than under the torturous (literally) dictator. smile.gif


That's one step forward (to democracy), no doubt. happy.gif
And yesterday (or today) the Saddam trial beggins... I'm only saddened that the only charge will be the one of when he executed some villagers (after an attack to his caravan when he was passing by and not being able to find the real culprits to the attack). disgust.gif
Edit add: They've found so many more burrial ditches by now, that he could be prosecuted for a hell lot more crimes against the humanity than he's currently. *Hopes that he gets an heavy penalty none the less*
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-19 at 20:56:24
I really don't get why people doubt debate rules, or refus to follow them Debate rules are not for formal debate, they are serious logical ideas showing how one should prove his point. If you are trying to prove something, you need to follow most of these logical rules and avoid fallacies. These rules are not rules that apply only to formal debates.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2005-10-21 at 14:04:48
It seems atht am being somewaht ignored here... since no one cared to reply to my wordings. ermm.gif Oh well... no biggie. happy.gif

QUOTE(Dr.Shotgun)
I really don't get why people doubt debate rules, or refus to follow them Debate rules are not for formal debate, they are serious logical ideas showing how one should prove his point. If you are trying to prove something, you need to follow most of these logical rules and avoid fallacies. These rules are not rules that apply only to formal debates.


blink.gif Pardon my curiosity but to whom are you adressing to? It would be far easier to reply, imho, if you named the one or quoted the part you're exactly replying to. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-21 at 19:27:12
Thats odd... I was replying to Swap's earlier post... Somehow it got delayed.
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