Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-10-06 at 20:30:22
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I think its odd that some1 would be in love with some1 the same sex. I just don't understand really, but if thats what they want, whatever. I don't see why people really care. As I said, sure its odd, but does it really effect you at all?
I don't see how loving someone of the same sex is odd. No more odd than the idea of having static genders in the first place, or of some people finding rediculously sickeningly thin people to be attractice.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SirhcTheForbidden on 2005-10-06 at 20:41:30
So you like fat, burly men, uh?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-10-06 at 20:54:05
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So you like fat, burly men, uh?
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I think he was just showing his respect towards gays in society, it doesn't mean he's gay. You can accept something even if you are not part of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-10-06 at 21:55:47
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So you like fat, burly men, uh?
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If he does, what are you going to do? Try to change his mind? You can't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-10-06 at 22:07:27
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thats just wrong...to have a relationship with ur cousin...
i have had a relaionship with my cousin (is a girl..very hot)
but we werent blood cousins she is my step dads sister but since im older my family consider her a cousin to me and my sister but are realtionship with each other has been a secret.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-10-07 at 00:16:50
He means with the cousin of the same gender.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2005-10-07 at 08:51:20
Men weren't born to receive—I sure wasn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-10-07 at 17:56:58
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He means with the cousin of the same gender.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-07 at 18:25:13
So what if men weren't born to receive? We do tons of things nature never meant us to do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-10-08 at 01:27:46
i can understand the peoples feelings agaisnt gays and lesbians... but we cant change the fact that they love eachother right? i mean if there was a law about it. gays and lesbians would still be around... just like neo nazis and crime. the sad fact is that no matter what people do it wont change anything really. exepct cause problems through out history... maybe some riots?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-10-10 at 22:10:05
When I was 5, I didn't know what gay was.
When I was 14, I didn't mind them at all.
When I was 17, it was a very good year.
When I was 18, I was annoyed with all the gay TV shows and the way that those people use that to explain their identity. I mean, you don't see me marching down the street holding a sign that says "I LIKE GIRLS!" Keep that crap off of my TV for god's sake!
These days, I really do not like them. Mostly personal reasons. Certain people I know decided to be gay and basically ditched their previous lives to pursue gay relationships. They seem to use it as an excuse to be a pain in the butt (which is something they enjoy, ROFLZ! A pain in the butt, get it?).
I guess what bothers me most is when people decide to be gay or come out of the closet after pretending to be straight for many years. I mean, if you're born gay, THEN BE GAY! Don't rebel and act as if the world owes you something once you've had enough of the straight life. It really ruins lives when they do that. I'm semi-okay with people who are gay from the get-go instead of those who wait. Just keep it off my damn TV!
When I was 14, I didn't mind them at all.
When I was 17, it was a very good year.
When I was 18, I was annoyed with all the gay TV shows and the way that those people use that to explain their identity. I mean, you don't see me marching down the street holding a sign that says "I LIKE GIRLS!" Keep that crap off of my TV for god's sake!
These days, I really do not like them. Mostly personal reasons. Certain people I know decided to be gay and basically ditched their previous lives to pursue gay relationships. They seem to use it as an excuse to be a pain in the butt (which is something they enjoy, ROFLZ! A pain in the butt, get it?).
I guess what bothers me most is when people decide to be gay or come out of the closet after pretending to be straight for many years. I mean, if you're born gay, THEN BE GAY! Don't rebel and act as if the world owes you something once you've had enough of the straight life. It really ruins lives when they do that. I'm semi-okay with people who are gay from the get-go instead of those who wait. Just keep it off my damn TV!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-10-10 at 23:43:31
QUOTE(Doodan @ Oct 10 2005, 09:10 PM)
When I was 18, I was annoyed with all the gay TV shows and the way that those people use that to explain their identity. I mean, you don't see me marching down the street holding a sign that says "I LIKE GIRLS!" Keep that crap off of my TV for god's sake!
Hetrosexuals are not pursecuted for liking the opposite sex therefore if you run down the street holding a sign that says such.. people won't care because chances are they are hetrosexuals themselves. You need to understand gays do this because the very fact that a portion of the population hates who they are and they do this to signify they don't give a damn. Chances are you do actually have a problem with gay people and when they do have a gay pride parade it rubs a nerve.. otherwise you would be indifferent to such people.
I do however agree on a level, people that go out of their way to shove their sexuality it your face have issues.
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These days, I really do not like them. Mostly personal reasons. Certain people I know decided to be gay and basically ditched their previous lives to pursue gay relationships. They seem to use it as an excuse to be a pain in the butt (which is something they enjoy, ROFLZ! A pain in the butt, get it?).
They ditch their previous lifestyle and friends because they feel that their old friends would not be accepting and/or awkward. If you feel offended by a gay friend ditching your friendship it is probably a reflection of your acceptingness to this individual.
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I guess what bothers me most is when people decide to be gay or come out of the closet after pretending to be straight for many years. I mean, if you're born gay, THEN BE GAY! Don't rebel and act as if the world owes you something once you've had enough of the straight life.
Gay people pretend to be straight because they are not ready to accept the pursecution(imagined or real) of coming out. They are not acting as a rebel but rather trying to live their life with minimal conflict. Telling people your gay in highschool I can assure you does not make your life easier one bit. The gay pride which you talked about previously is done by those people who have the courage to educate people about their culture and themselves and make it easier for the next generation. The next generation will have the advantage of having such issues as a common and accepted(debatable) in society due to the TV shows, Gay Pride Parades, etc.
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It really ruins lives when they do that. I'm semi-okay with people who are gay from the get-go instead of those who wait. Just keep it off my damn TV!
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Oh noes I'm sure your life is torn apart by the fact your gay friend told you off. I bet you didn't even consider the hardships this person is going through making this transition and how much it hurts him to let his old friends go. You are one selfish mofo.
Also the thing about TV is there are many channels, if you get offended by what's on TV you obviously haven't found the channel UP and DOWN button. People whining about the fact there are gay shows on TV need to stfu and suck it up.. do you get offended by the Food Network because your not a chef? Pathetic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-11 at 00:02:55
WOW those are good points you made syndicate! I am new hear and I would like to add to what you said. howver some things that doodan said kinda confused me(or acutaly left room for inquery).
Well if you look at what is on TV most of the shows you watch are things like the victoria secret fasion show(which don not get me wrong is quality TV...). But you make it seem like they fill TV with it... It seems wrong to put it like that is what im pushing at when 90% of TV is aimd at hederosexuals... and to get mad when they stake their claim in it?!?! Sheeesh kinda harsh if you ask me.... Then again i dont live in your shoes so who am I to judge?
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When I was 18, I was annoyed with all the gay TV shows and the way that those people use that to explain their identity. I mean, you don't see me marching down the street holding a sign that says "I LIKE GIRLS!" Keep that crap off of my TV for god's sake!
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Don't rebel and act as if the world owes you something once you've had enough of the straight life. It really ruins lives when they do that. I'm semi-okay with people who are gay from the get-go instead of those who wait. Just keep it off my damn TV!
Well if you look at what is on TV most of the shows you watch are things like the victoria secret fasion show(which don not get me wrong is quality TV...). But you make it seem like they fill TV with it... It seems wrong to put it like that is what im pushing at when 90% of TV is aimd at hederosexuals... and to get mad when they stake their claim in it?!?! Sheeesh kinda harsh if you ask me.... Then again i dont live in your shoes so who am I to judge?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Buletbutter on 2005-10-11 at 01:09:25
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I mean, you don't see me marching down the street holding a sign that says "I LIKE GIRLS!" Keep that crap off of my TV for god's sake!
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I don't have a problem with homosexuals, some of the most upbeat and funniest persons I met are homosexuals. I just think its kinda of rediculous for them to 'celebrate' their sexual preference with parades and the such. Your gay, good for you! Your not special you are still a human being, no better and no worse than the person next to you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-10-11 at 01:29:25
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I don't have a problem with homosexuals, some of the most upbeat and funniest persons I met are homosexuals. I just think its kinda of rediculous for them to 'celebrate' their sexual preference with parades and the such. Your gay, good for you! Your not special you are still a human being, no better and no worse than the person next to you.
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Like I said previously..
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The gay pride which you talked about previously is done by those people who have the courage to educate people about their culture and themselves and make it easier for the next generation. The next generation will have the advantage of having such issues as a common and accepted(debatable) in society due to the TV shows, Gay Pride Parades, etc.
The reason gays participate in parades (or one reason) is to done for the purpose of raising awareness of their presence as equals in society. Only because of the pursecution which homosexual have endured, do they feel the need to reclaim their self-esteem and reclaim the homosexual image as something that is NOT bad.
It is retarded to think people do this to mock people and if you feel uncomfortable about it.. It is because you are either unsecure in your own sexuality or you have a prejudice against homosexuals.
People who are being gay and proud .. who are they harming?! Nobody.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-10-11 at 02:04:12
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[cate,Oct 10 2005, 10:43 PM]Hetrosexuals are not pursecuted for liking the opposite sex therefore if you run down the street holding a sign that says such.. people won't care because chances are they are hetrosexuals themselves. You need to understand gays do this because the very fact that a portion of the population hates who they are and they do this to signify they don't give a damn. Chances are you do actually have a problem with gay people and when they do have a gay pride parade it rubs a nerve.. otherwise you would be indifferent to such people.
I do however agree on a level, people that go out of their way to shove their sexuality it your face have issues.
They ditch their previous lifestyle and friends because they feel that their old friends would not be accepting and/or awkward. If you feel offended by a gay friend ditching your friendship it is probably a reflection of your acceptingness to this individual.
Gay people pretend to be straight because they are not ready to accept the pursecution(imagined or real) of coming out. They are not acting as a rebel but rather trying to live their life with minimal conflict. Telling people your gay in highschool I can assure you does not make your life easier one bit. The gay pride which you talked about previously is done by those people who have the courage to educate people about their culture and themselves and make it easier for the next generation. The next generation will have the advantage of having such issues as a common and accepted(debatable) in society due to the TV shows, Gay Pride Parades, etc.
Oh noes I'm sure your life is torn apart by the fact your gay friend told you off. I bet you didn't even consider the hardships this person is going through making this transition and how much it hurts him to let his old friends go. You are one selfish mofo.
Also the thing about TV is there are many channels, if you get offended by what's on TV you obviously haven't found the channel UP and DOWN button. People whining about the fact there are gay shows on TV need to stfu and suck it up.. do you get offended by the Food Network because your not a chef? Pathetic.
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I do however agree on a level, people that go out of their way to shove their sexuality it your face have issues.
They ditch their previous lifestyle and friends because they feel that their old friends would not be accepting and/or awkward. If you feel offended by a gay friend ditching your friendship it is probably a reflection of your acceptingness to this individual.
Gay people pretend to be straight because they are not ready to accept the pursecution(imagined or real) of coming out. They are not acting as a rebel but rather trying to live their life with minimal conflict. Telling people your gay in highschool I can assure you does not make your life easier one bit. The gay pride which you talked about previously is done by those people who have the courage to educate people about their culture and themselves and make it easier for the next generation. The next generation will have the advantage of having such issues as a common and accepted(debatable) in society due to the TV shows, Gay Pride Parades, etc.
Oh noes I'm sure your life is torn apart by the fact your gay friend told you off. I bet you didn't even consider the hardships this person is going through making this transition and how much it hurts him to let his old friends go. You are one selfish mofo.
Also the thing about TV is there are many channels, if you get offended by what's on TV you obviously haven't found the channel UP and DOWN button. People whining about the fact there are gay shows on TV need to stfu and suck it up.. do you get offended by the Food Network because your not a chef? Pathetic.
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Syndicate, I was being vague but that "friend" that turned out gay was my son's mom. She ditched me and our boy so she could pursue a gay relationship (also, she became a drug addict). Her whole family turned against her. She met this girl while she was in jail. It was a whole ugly mess. After all of that crap, it is impossible for me to be indifferent to gays. I know my wording was misleading, I just didn't want to get too personal. But now you know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-10-11 at 02:20:30
Sorry to hear that, .. it is quite unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that you associate this negative experience with the homosexual community,.. but I understand it might be difficult not to.
This tradgedy occured possibly because of the pressure she had of living a straight lifestyle and one can only live a lie for so long. I would try and not vent your anger at the homosexual community but rather the repression of it.. although I am not your psychologist and what you choose to think is up to you, of course.
To comment on what I said previously now that I know a bit more of where you are coming from.. I think it was very selfish of your son's mother to get herself so far into a lie that she cannot easily get out of expecially when children are involved. Myself, I do not embrace the gay community or way of life because some personal issues of my own even though I am gay. One thing I can tell you is that I would not lie to those around me just to try and live out happly married hetrosexual image that our society holds so dear... even though I can honestly tell you my parents and family would like nothing better.
This tradgedy occured possibly because of the pressure she had of living a straight lifestyle and one can only live a lie for so long. I would try and not vent your anger at the homosexual community but rather the repression of it.. although I am not your psychologist and what you choose to think is up to you, of course.
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Oh noes I'm sure your life is torn apart by the fact your gay friend told you off. I bet you didn't even consider the hardships this person is going through making this transition and how much it hurts him to let his old friends go. You are one selfish mofo.
To comment on what I said previously now that I know a bit more of where you are coming from.. I think it was very selfish of your son's mother to get herself so far into a lie that she cannot easily get out of expecially when children are involved. Myself, I do not embrace the gay community or way of life because some personal issues of my own even though I am gay. One thing I can tell you is that I would not lie to those around me just to try and live out happly married hetrosexual image that our society holds so dear... even though I can honestly tell you my parents and family would like nothing better.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-10-11 at 09:47:54
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[cate,Oct 11 2005, 01:20 AM]Sorry to hear that, .. it is quite unfortunate. It is also unfortunate that you associate this negative experience with the homosexual community,.. but I understand it might be difficult not to.
This tradgedy occured possibly because of the pressure she had of living a straight lifestyle and one can only live a lie for so long. I would try and not vent your anger at the homosexual community but rather the repression of it.. although I am not your psychologist and what you choose to think is up to you, of course.
To comment on what I said previously now that I know a bit more of where you are coming from.. I think it was very selfish of your son's mother to get herself so far into a lie that she cannot easily get out of expecially when children are involved. Myself, I do not embrace the gay community or way of life because some personal issues of my own even though I am gay. One thing I can tell you is that I would not lie to those around me just to try and live out happly married hetrosexual image that our society holds so dear... even though I can honestly tell you my parents and family would like nothing better.
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This tradgedy occured possibly because of the pressure she had of living a straight lifestyle and one can only live a lie for so long. I would try and not vent your anger at the homosexual community but rather the repression of it.. although I am not your psychologist and what you choose to think is up to you, of course.
To comment on what I said previously now that I know a bit more of where you are coming from.. I think it was very selfish of your son's mother to get herself so far into a lie that she cannot easily get out of expecially when children are involved. Myself, I do not embrace the gay community or way of life because some personal issues of my own even though I am gay. One thing I can tell you is that I would not lie to those around me just to try and live out happly married hetrosexual image that our society holds so dear... even though I can honestly tell you my parents and family would like nothing better.
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I appreciate the honesty. I'm not asking you to see it my way. Obviously you can't. Nor can I see it your way. But I was just trying to help you understand WHY I think that way and I'm glad you let me know why you think that way too. I guess this'll have to be one of those cases where we agree to disagree.
Looking into my situation, I can see why my son's mom is probably the exception and not the rule. I mean she lives like a frickin animal! Out on the streets all the time. In and out of jail. New girlfriend every couple of weeks. Lately she's gotten into starring in porn movies. In my other post I said that when I was younger I wasn't really affected by them, but later on I became so. Before she "came out" she'd always hinted at her orientation. Of course this was unsettling to me at that time, but it took a turn for the worst when she just totally jumped overboard. She'd gotten into drugs and was arrested and while she was in jail she met someone she claimed to be in love with. I tried to deal with it maturely, but time after time, she would ditch playdates and events (including Christmas) to go chase her girlfriend and crack/meth around town. As one could understand, I lost my temper a few times when dealing with her.
Since then I've obtained full custody of my son and don't let her see him anymore. Whew, this got really personal! LOL! I just wanted you, syndicate, and anyone else who's concerned know why it's very tough for me to listen to those kinds of arguments. You could say it's my "excuse," but don't pass judgement on me unless you know what kind of situation I've been through. I will do my very best not to do the same.
I hope no one is stalking me, lol. Now you know more about my life than I would admit to most people I know in RL.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-10-11 at 16:37:36
here's my take
I have nothing against gays unless they push their belifs on me (or teh gay guy next to me looks at me in certain ways...).
The only thing I detest is how unnatural it is, guy and woman get in a room for who cares how long, and you get child.
A man and another man can't, and two women can't.
If the last four people on earth, two men and two women all prefered their own sex, the human race would end.
That's why i'm against being gay.
Go ahead, give them rights. At least they'll shuttup about it.
I have nothing against gays unless they push their belifs on me (or teh gay guy next to me looks at me in certain ways...).
The only thing I detest is how unnatural it is, guy and woman get in a room for who cares how long, and you get child.
A man and another man can't, and two women can't.
If the last four people on earth, two men and two women all prefered their own sex, the human race would end.
That's why i'm against being gay.
Go ahead, give them rights. At least they'll shuttup about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Buletbutter on 2005-10-11 at 16:51:06
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[cate,Oct 11 2005, 12:29 AM]Like I said previously..
The reason gays participate in parades (or one reason) is to done for the purpose of raising awareness of their presence as equals in society. Only because of the pursecution which homosexual have endured, do they feel the need to reclaim their self-esteem and reclaim the homosexual image as something that is NOT bad.
It is retarded to think people do this to mock people and if you feel uncomfortable about it.. It is because you are either unsecure in your own sexuality or you have a prejudice against homosexuals.
People who are being gay and proud .. who are they harming?! Nobody.
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The reason gays participate in parades (or one reason) is to done for the purpose of raising awareness of their presence as equals in society. Only because of the pursecution which homosexual have endured, do they feel the need to reclaim their self-esteem and reclaim the homosexual image as something that is NOT bad.
It is retarded to think people do this to mock people and if you feel uncomfortable about it.. It is because you are either unsecure in your own sexuality or you have a prejudice against homosexuals.
People who are being gay and proud .. who are they harming?! Nobody.
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You make a good point, but homosexuals make the false assumption that 99% of the world thinks as them as not being equals. I already see homosexuals as equals and the parades they do makes me think they are trying to make themselves 'special'. Thats just how I feel about it. "Ok, great, good for you, your gay. Now hurry up and move the danm parade so I can get to work!"
Granted, they do get 'bashed' from different people/organizations. Some of them its just plain because they are homosexual. There are other cases of why they get bashed wether it be laws, statistics or bad wardrobe. I was 'bashed' in high school, picked on and beat up every once in a while but you dont see me rallying up all the 'nerds' in highschool to have been proud to be a nerd parade do you?? Why make it a big deal? Why are we forced to think homosexuals think we think less of them just because a few people pick on them?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sessase on 2005-10-11 at 17:31:46
Since my Uncle is actually gay, i've been raised in a total respect for them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-10-12 at 15:38:11
I don't see any point, just like calling blacks or asians derogatory terms that are incorrect.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by fishgold on 2005-10-12 at 21:32:54
Tsk.. Tsk.. I'm just sad at those people who become gay. I mean really, don't they deserve a beautiful woman than an ugly man? lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-10-13 at 16:33:27
THere's nothing we can do about it sadly. We have no choice but to let them be. As far as giving them rights... i'm pretty much apathetic. If gays are given rights, that's ok with me. If they aren't, that's also fine with me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-10-13 at 17:30:03
Ditto, Millenium, as long as they stop talking to me about it.