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Public institutions do however.
And whether it's your forced to say it or not has nothing to do with it. It is unconstitutional for the government to endorse religion in any such way.

I've had many a teacher force it uppon me.
I for one do not stand up, do not show recognition of the flag, and do not say it. I just don't really care. I believe that Alaska should break off and become its own country. We would become more profitable if we did, about 95% of the goods from asia pass through alaska before they reach the "lower 48" is what we call you. Add a small fee, and bam! all the money we could ever want + oil.

ADDITION:
Sorry if that seems unpatriotic (to say the least) its just my veiwpoint.

If congress doesn't pass a law saying that you have to recite the pledge, then it's perfectly constitutional. The constitution doesn't ban local municipal schools from making you "feel bad" for not saying the pledge.

So its basically what YOU KNOW, with your growing intelligence I obviously trust a person I haven ever met before, possibly lives half way accross the country

Yes I have heard it but it seems like your desperatly trying to tie it in with religion which Im sorry to say not all religions believe in god.

Its like trying to say ALL hotdogs taste good, which is false, many are SICK.

STARS, your statemement that all religions dont believe in God only makes it worse. This means the pledge is referencing monotheistic religions that believe in God. This is pure discrimination, acknowldging only one type of religion and ignoring atheists.

THINK WRONG. Spirit worship, ancestor worship, druidism, paganism, EVER THINK OF THEM? YA, THINK SO. And then in a later post, you hypocrite idiot, you say that not all religions have god. IDIOT.


Now then, all gods have to do with religion, but not all religions have to do with god. Like a square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares.

So, GOD HAS TO DO WITH RELIGION. ITS OBVIOUS. Unless you can talk about god without it having to do with religion WHATSOEVER, it MUST have to do with religion.

SO QUIT TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE GOD DOESENT HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION. YOU KNOW IT DOES.

I said as far as I know because I'm not going to say it's true. It's not basically what I KNOW, it is merely if you know anything OTHERWISE. I was leaving it a question so that you might have a counterexample to prove it wrong.

However you have not answered the question and proven it otherwise, while others have actually agreed with me.

BTW: This didn't even make sense when I first read it, try using proper grammar and stop acting like a 4th grader, there's a topic made by Moose about that



So now I will say in response to this again:



Religion encompasses god.


Oh and this is just too funny:



I'm sure I'm trying to desperately tie god to religion when I'm merely asking the question if there is a tie.

And I never said ALL religion includes god, and that's not even the point! As long as there is one religion that ties with god, then when you say something like the government can't be together with RELIGION, then that includes the GOD that is part of one of those religions.

And no it isn't like trying to say ALL hotdogs taste good, maybe you should try understanding what you are reading.

It's more like even if some hotdogs taste good and some taste bad they are still HOTDOGS.

No offense to anyone here, but it's just two words separating you from other religions. If you can't handle the "under God" part which is two words, then just don't say it.

If you carefully read what CheeZe has said, that's not a good solution. And he has a perfectly good reason as to why it is not.

I have read that "perfectly good reason" and I agree, but I'm just merely stating my point about the way people are making a fuss over it..

Well if he has already addressed your point in a previous point then there's no use telling it to them over again when they have already talked about it.

Theres a topic about this kind of posting too.....



Hey Im only looking at the written proof, and that proof says religion. But Which religion? we all know not all religions use gods. You can't say the word "god" is unconstitutional becuase on written paper theres NOTHING that says god anywhere. Plus, google god, just do it and you will see. God can be anything you want it to be.

God somewhat relates to religion yes, but not entirely in MANY cases, you must not generalize when your crap arguement is not on the ocnstitution. Again the wording in the constitution is religion. You can easly have a good arguement if the pledge said: "One nation, in a Jewish land, ....." becuase that deals directly and fully with religion.

Also, I don't know where you guys have been but the phrase "ya, THINK SO" is a sarcastic term used in high school. Video tape a 4th grader in action using that term truefully and you'll get a prize.

Stop caring about it. Congress doesn't force you to say, it isn't a law, it isn't unconsitutional, and it doesn't hurt you.

Religion doesn't have to fully relate to god. God has to relate to religion, give me an EXAMPLE of where it doesn't, you haven't done that. If god refers to religion, and it says religion in the pledge of allegiance then it has to do with god, unless you can show that god could mean something else in context of what the pledge of allegiance is saying.

Oh, and according to what you are saying one nation in a jewish land doesn't have to with religion, since it's not the word "religion". In a Jewish land could mean anything you want it to mean.

Uh it is unconstitutional, its backed by the government and theres this little thing called Seperation of State and religion, not sure though.... [/sarcasm]

No, my post was 100% correct. Here is what you claim the pledge is breaking:



Is the pledge a federal law? No. Case closed.

Whether or not it's (the saying of pledge) a law is irrelevant.

The school is government supported. The word "god" is not and cannot be government supported.

The combination is thus, unconstitutional.

STARS, you are still acting moronic.
God is a divine being. Religion deals with this divine being. So waht if all religions don't? That makes it even worse, as I stated earlier. This way the government is being discriminatory.

Why?

Just because the schools are a local-government entity does not mean that a pledge said inside breaks the federal constitution. In addition, I don't know of any schools that force you to say it, so everything else can be thrown out.

The first amendment is often blown out of proportion. You do realize that the constitition doesn't even mention "seperation of church and state"? All that's in there about religion is the first amendment, which I quoted a few posts above. It is not broken by an optional pledge at the local level.

What's really going on here is people wanting to rebel against the system, but choosing the absolute worst thing to rebel against.

The Pledge of Alligience is official, I think. They don't force you to say it, bu they do play a recording of it and say it. I think its sort of like having, instead of the pledge, hail marys or the lord's prayer or whatever.

Let me quote my source (which you obviously didn't read).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment...First_Amendment


Exposure to it is still unconstitutional. Thus, it still must be removed.

Everything else can't be thrown out because you didn't actually argue what I'm talking about. Everything I say are exclusive, they don't require each other to be supported.

That is -- quite frankly -- bull.

God is mentioned in courts as high as the Supreme Court.



In addition, what are you trying to prove with that wikipedia snippet? I don't see how it proves anything. If you look at what the 1st bans, an optional pledge in schools does not break it!

Before I actually start to argue everything you've said and providing even more evidence, I would like to know whether or not you want people to say the pledge.

So... do you want people to say the pledge everyday? (Including the word "god"). If you have alternate plans, please, tell us.