Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-11-30 at 10:33:12
But do you know where your towel is?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-12-01 at 00:27:49
In this bag right here. Hey, wait this isn't my bag!
Darwin's finches?
Man it would be cool to see an armadillo materialize.
QUOTE(nuclearrabbit @ Nov 28 2005, 04:49 AM)
[center]Evolution has been seen, creationism has not.
Scientists have studied generations of birds living on an island. Each generation has specific adaptations that came from the previos generation thriving from those adaptations (Beak size/shape). I'm just remembering an old episode of 'Nova' that I saw.
No one has ever seen an armidillo just pop into existance, and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
I trust my sences, if I can see/feel/hear/all those it, it's real/true.
"Finally we've come to our sences, and worship a carpenter who lived 2,000 years ago."[/center]
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Scientists have studied generations of birds living on an island. Each generation has specific adaptations that came from the previos generation thriving from those adaptations (Beak size/shape). I'm just remembering an old episode of 'Nova' that I saw.
No one has ever seen an armidillo just pop into existance, and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
I trust my sences, if I can see/feel/hear/all those it, it's real/true.
"Finally we've come to our sences, and worship a carpenter who lived 2,000 years ago."[/center]
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Darwin's finches?
Man it would be cool to see an armadillo materialize.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2005-12-01 at 01:03:08
QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Nov 29 2005, 11:39 AM)
The sun has remained about the same size for billions of years. Later on in its life it will shrink, then expand as it becomes a red giant, then contract to become a white dwarf.
As far as I can remember, stars only begin to decay once they start running out of hydrogen fuel. (Which our sun has plenty of.)
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As far as I can remember, stars only begin to decay once they start running out of hydrogen fuel. (Which our sun has plenty of.)
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You're wrong, go do some research ;o
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SilverPheonix on 2005-12-01 at 10:43:14
I like my hole family belive that there was someone who started the Univers(The Big Bang) but beyond that i can only speculate.Yes we evolved from chimps so treat nature with respect or we might have an Ape Planet in the making here.
Life is very very very hard to kill,it will adapt to any condition given time and even thrive.
If man is 200 milion years old then i can only say one thing about it:Yaba Daba DOO!!
Life is very very very hard to kill,it will adapt to any condition given time and even thrive.
If man is 200 milion years old then i can only say one thing about it:Yaba Daba DOO!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stryke on 2005-12-01 at 14:41:22
QUOTE(IsolatedPurity @ Dec 1 2005, 12:03 AM)
You're wrong, go do some research ;o
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i missed your reasearch purity can you re-post it...
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they dont have a language, but they can communicate with each other by noise, chemicals, and physical movements
i forgot how whales and dolphins communicate...
i forgot how whales and dolphins communicate...
isnt talking a noise and physical movments do have alot to do with our language the only difference is we write it down in an effort to contain all knoledge we have and will ever have
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-01 at 19:08:30
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As most stars exhaust their supply of hydrogen, their outer layers expand and cool to form a red giant. In about 5 billion years, when the Sun is a red giant, it will be so large that it will consume both Mercury and Venus. Eventually the core is compressed enough to start helium fusion, and the star heats up and contracts. Larger stars will also fuse heavier elements, all the way to iron, which is the end point of the process. Since iron nuclei are more tightly bound than any heavier nuclei, they cannot be fused to release energy. Likewise, since they are more tightly bound than all lighter nuclei, energy cannot be released by fission. In old, very massive stars, a large core of inert iron will accumulate in the center of the star.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars
When a star starts running out of Hydrogen, it decays into a red dwarf. Nice research, Iso.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-03 at 20:18:41
Man, this topic has really, really decayed...
It went from evolution is TeH suck11!!11
To decaying stars...
*Forsaken smacks forehead.
It went from evolution is TeH suck11!!11
To decaying stars...
*Forsaken smacks forehead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-12-03 at 20:49:02
It's still related. By showing that stars do not constantly shrink, you're proving the sun was not significantly bigger millions of years ago, which means that Earth could have existed and evolution could have taken place.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-12-03 at 21:31:37
QUOTE(Neiji @ Nov 29 2005, 04:20 PM)
I'm curious, will an animal ever become smart as, or smarter than a human. OR, will an animal ever become able to talk?
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KOKO THE TALKING GORILLA!
koko the gorilla cannot actually verbally talk, but construct intelligent sentences using sign language!
http://www.koko.org/
With an IQ of 80, this gorilla is only 40 IQ points below the human norm, which is pretty good if you think about it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-04 at 10:28:26
STFU. I mean instictively.
Why humans? If it is about the strong succeed and the weak perish, then why aren't lions or elephants at the top and humans, weak, in the middle?
Why humans? If it is about the strong succeed and the weak perish, then why aren't lions or elephants at the top and humans, weak, in the middle?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-12-04 at 11:01:55
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 4 2005, 10:28 AM)
STFU. I mean instictively.
Why humans? If it is about the strong succeed and the weak perish, then why aren't lions or elephants at the top and humans, weak, in the middle?
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Why humans? If it is about the strong succeed and the weak perish, then why aren't lions or elephants at the top and humans, weak, in the middle?
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1. Dont tell me to shut the fark up, you're the one that never said exactly what you mean. I can't read your mind, so I don't know what you "mean".
2. Because humans are stronger. Not physically, but mentally.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-04 at 13:11:14
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Dec 3 2005, 06:31 PM)
KOKO THE TALKING GORILLA!
koko the gorilla cannot actually verbally talk, but construct intelligent sentences using sign language!
http://www.koko.org/
With an IQ of 80, this gorilla is only 40 IQ points below the human norm, which is pretty good if you think about it.
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koko the gorilla cannot actually verbally talk, but construct intelligent sentences using sign language!
http://www.koko.org/
With an IQ of 80, this gorilla is only 40 IQ points below the human norm, which is pretty good if you think about it.
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That Gorilla could probably give a more educated vote than a good tenth of America
.QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 4 2005, 07:28 AM)
STFU. I mean instictively.
Why humans? If it is about the strong succeed and the weak perish, then why aren't lions or elephants at the top and humans, weak, in the middle?
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Why humans? If it is about the strong succeed and the weak perish, then why aren't lions or elephants at the top and humans, weak, in the middle?
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Much as you like to think so, humans are not the culmination of a long line of ancestry. Humans are not the "holy grail" of evolution. I suggest you read A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson. The goal of life is to survive. Homo Sapiens Sapiens have existed for a pitiful 50,000 years at most and hominids in general have existed for only 4,000,000 years, the blink of an eye to other dominant species. Dinosaurs reigned for about 150,000,000 years. And the future for human survival doesn't look too bright, does it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-04 at 16:48:31
Because humans have opposoble thumbs! DUH!
Not really, but most humans have, and use logic. Not many other creatures are able to use problem solving techniques. It's not like we see a hippo inventing electricity or curing cancer!
Not really, but most humans have, and use logic. Not many other creatures are able to use problem solving techniques. It's not like we see a hippo inventing electricity or curing cancer!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-04 at 17:40:54
Yes, but does the inventing of tons of stuff like nukes and artifical plauges further our survival? Strains of bacteria have existed for over 3,000,000,000 years and can survive in nuclear reactors, in boiling water, and just about anywhere else.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-04 at 17:55:41
I never said other creatures couldn't live.
I just answered Neiji.
I just answered Neiji.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2005-12-04 at 20:25:26
QUOTE(Neiji @ Nov 29 2005, 04:20 PM)
I'm curious, will an animal ever become smart as, or smarter than a human. OR, will an animal ever become able to talk?
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What is your definition of "smart"?
For example, "smart" maybe how many genes/chromosomes something has. In that case, we lose to most species.
"Smart" may be ability to communicate. Last time I checked, we have a language, yet dogs only have a few sounds. They get it done with that. It shows how much extra that we have that we don't even need.
"Smart" may be common sense, which alot of huans don't even seem to have (Darwin Awards: I'm looking at you
), yet you don't see most animals killing themselves in a extremely stupid fashion.*"Smart" may be the ability to adapt. Animals seem alot better at it, most people on the Earth, if stranded in the jungle, desert, ect, wouldn't be able to live.
So, as far as we're concerned, animals, plants, or anything else could be hundreds of times as smart as us.
*In an interesting theory, consider this:
Lemmings supposedly kill themselves if their population gets too big. Now, according to evolution, the ones that don't reproduce help the gene pool by removing faulty genes. Now, say, in every 100 lemmings, 5 decides "Hey, I'm not jumping off this cliff!" and doesn't. Wouldn't that assume that eventually (Hopefully by now), lemmings would stop killing themselves, as they wouldn't either a) Have the genes to do it, or b) Not learn to do it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-04 at 22:46:52
Animals being better than us is one thing. But them being smarter than us? Give me a break.
Smart is "The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge". Now, we don't know exactly what animals are thinking, but from what we can observe, they havn't really done much with their intelligence. And I HIGHLY doubt their reason for not creating a civilization beyond ours, is because they're secretly enlightened.
Smart is "The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge". Now, we don't know exactly what animals are thinking, but from what we can observe, they havn't really done much with their intelligence. And I HIGHLY doubt their reason for not creating a civilization beyond ours, is because they're secretly enlightened.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-04 at 22:51:58
Dolphins show amazing organization during breeding season. They form a giant sphere, with the females giving birth in the center, and the rest on guard in layers around them.
From inside to outside:
1) Females giving birth
2) Newborns
3) Females not giving birth
4) Young males
5) Mature males
Any shark that comes near is attacked in a strategic manner, one dolphin occupies it form the front while two others go on either side of it, getting a swimming start, and ram it from either side. Needless to say, the shark dies.
From inside to outside:
1) Females giving birth
2) Newborns
3) Females not giving birth
4) Young males
5) Mature males
Any shark that comes near is attacked in a strategic manner, one dolphin occupies it form the front while two others go on either side of it, getting a swimming start, and ram it from either side. Needless to say, the shark dies.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-04 at 22:54:36
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Dec 4 2005, 10:51 PM)
Dolphins show amazing organization during breeding season. They form a giant sphere, with the females giving birth in the center, and the rest on guard in layers around them.
From inside to outside:
1) Females giving birth
2) Newborns
3) Females not giving birth
4) Young males
5) Mature males
Any shark that comes near is attacked in a strategic manner, one dolphin occupies it form the front while two others go on either side of it, getting a swimming start, and ram it from either side. Needless to say, the shark dies.
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From inside to outside:
1) Females giving birth
2) Newborns
3) Females not giving birth
4) Young males
5) Mature males
Any shark that comes near is attacked in a strategic manner, one dolphin occupies it form the front while two others go on either side of it, getting a swimming start, and ram it from either side. Needless to say, the shark dies.
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Wow, that is genius. That so blows away our ability to create a computer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-04 at 22:56:27
Without hands, smartass, they can't really build anything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-12-04 at 22:57:06
i think a lot of species have the potential to be like us, it's just that our physical forms have allowed us to bring out that potential and use it sooner and easier
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-04 at 23:09:27
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Dec 4 2005, 10:56 PM)
Without hands, smartass, they can't really build anything.
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If I was born a handless freak, You'd be insulting my intelligence.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-12-04 at 23:11:53
i think he's saying that they could "tell" something/someone to build something instead of building it themselves
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-04 at 23:15:57
Why can't dolphins tell us? What, we don't know dolphinese? We've only had dozens of years to try to learn it. And don't tell me it's out of our ears, I know about sound waves. You can change octaves. I gurantee you, if we translate dolphinese, their conversations will be no where near as deep as the one we're doing right now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-12-04 at 23:21:08
3000 years ago, we weren't exactly talking about all of this
if we gave dolphins the time to learn, and we taught them, and we translated their language, then i think we could communicate and have a civilization with a non-human species
if we gave dolphins the time to learn, and we taught them, and we translated their language, then i think we could communicate and have a civilization with a non-human species