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Why would any one go to war with us?

Seriously they may disagree with what America is doing but America is not doing anything extreme. We aren't murdering people, we are only going after evil poeple. Hate the Iraq war or not, nobody liked Saddam ( poor saddam, maybe france did actually). And nobody like Osoma either...

Not only saddam died in iraq war, about 200000-250000 people died directly or indirectly from iraq war, innocent people that don't have anything to do with saddam, in vietnam war about 3 million of vietnamese civilians were murdered... don't you think the world has enough to hate usa?

Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_hist...e_United_States
Usa has joined about 30 wars, also the dictators that appeared in south america(Militar governments in argentina, Pinochet in Chile, etc) were trained in USA...

There's more reasons i will not start saying here because this is not an article of the things USA did, in my opinion, the wrong way...

War shouldn't be even a last resource, war doesn't ever solve anything, the more the wars the more the problems.

Out of the choices in the poll, I'd say none of them. They're all extremes that might happen in like 25-100 years except for "like it is today."

I think the fact that we have 8 trillion dollar debt will catch up with us and the stock market might crash, however, I don't think it'll just die because of that or ww3 will come. America will just take a large hit and recover.

200,000? its more like 20,000-25,000, too many zeros my friend.

But I still get your point

But your forgetting that America is provides the highest living conditions. We are the most generous country in the world (in terms of donations from the citizens), the list goes on.

More reasons to like America then to hate her.

Uhm i got confused by another numbers it was 27000-30000, i don't know where i read 200000, w/e... anyway it's still a big number, specially for a senseless war...

About generous country... pfft here in Argentina hundreds of kids die of hunger day by day, and we had a debt of about 9000000000 of dollars and we had to pay it rather using it on the country because some dictators that came to argentina borrowed money wich they never used on the country, but used for themselves...

It's the IMF, but i can bet USA hasn't supported us, i never saw nothing like a donation from usa here, only some from italy, israel... but... usa? pfft the people who most donate are rich argentinians, wich donate all they can...

8 trillion dollars debt? wtf is going on there... :s

Edit: A guy named Horangel who predicts here in argentina said bush will die being president by disease, attack or accident, and between some other things said usa was going to be nuked... but it's just a prediction...(Be clear i don't want USA to be nuked, even if 51% of it voted bush >.<)

Im sorry that argentina has received little notice from America.

But we are all over Africa and Asia helping them out, and central America and Mexico.

I would know becuase my Church group travels down to Mexico every year to build houses and there is also another program at my school called "Global Visionaries" Who travel to central America to build houses and help out villages.

Are there any programs like that at your schools/towns??

Chris... im sorry but i'm going to have to use the term "close-minded" on you.
There are so many reasons why people hate america. Killing hundreds of thousands of people severely outweighs helping hundreds of thousands of people. Ya so they are living in bad conditions, but the other people aren't living at all! You just refuse to believe the truth that america DOES murder people, they do torture, bush prefers suppression and unconstitutional means over justice and truth. You say your church group goes to mexico to help build houses, thats all great and dandy, but remember: Thats the church group, not America.

We are plaqued by the hipocrisy of our democracy.

"People need to realize that the America we once knew is never coming back. We are either going forward into Bush's future, or into a future that we ourselves forge."
- Sunsara Taylor, www.WorldCantWait.org

Sunsara Taylor Video

Democracy? What Democracy?

Oh! You're talkin about our Democratic-Republic! *Thumbs up*

Seriously. We murder thousands of people, in the name of "Democracy" (Democracy doesn't force ways upon people, like we have to Afghanistan and Iraq)

So yes. Let all the close-minded people think we are "Good" and "True"

Because they are farking idiots -_-

Bush is not an idiot, he simply follows his own agenda - which he needs to explain more often :/

Back to the topic at hand: Revolution, whether social or millitary. The U.S. Government is out of control, and so are BOTH parties in power (the Republicans want to lock us into their morality, and the Democrats want to lock us out of our own). I feel - and this isn't being melodramatic - that the next fifty years will be the most crucial point for mankind. The period we are in now, and will be for a while yet, when we have the capability to destroy ourselves without any sort of baxckup (Ex. a self-sustaining off-planet colony) is the most dangerous for our kind. I expect the order which the world has sat for the past two millenna will come crashing down within my lifetime, and one of my ongoing goals in life is to be ready when it occurs.

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I'm sorry, but you are quite naive. Look through the eyes of a radical Islamist for a moment - we are murdering their nice religious people in the name of our heathen god (FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE!). From our perspective, we see the same thing in reverse. Now I personally am with our view, but in the case of war their views are what matters.

Dude... EVERYONE hates America. The reasons:

We're egotistical. We butt into EVERYONES business, even when told not to. We think we are the kings of the world. We try to dictate EVERYONE. We think we know EVERYTHING, when we're the most ignorant people in the world. We think everyone is frightened of us. WE are the terrorists (Just think about it. We go into Afghanistan and force "Democracy" upon them. Same with Iraq.)

The list goes on, and on my friend.



DUDE! How you are blinded by the lies our government fills your mind with!

Jesus! How can you be so farking ignorant?

We try to dictate other people who are not part of us. We annexed the Philipeans (SP. Whipty farking do) Hawaii, Puerto Rico (Not technically) We are the "World's Police" (We need Isolationism back) We "know everything, and know how to fix everyones problems" (Except our own farking problems) We're ignorant, AND arrogent.

The list goes on, and on.

You need to really sit down, and take the proof of what our Government has done within the last 50 years.

Korea. A waste.
Vietnam. A waste.
Desert Storm. A waste.
"The war on Terrorism". Shouldn't we be fighting ourselves?

We gotta remember USA is a country backed up with war, whenever usa has problems, it fills it up with war...

look in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_hist...e_United_States

It's a country born of war, this ain't coming from the last 50 years, it's from the start of USA, it was always on war...

You guys don't get it do you?

I TOTALLY KNOW about how many bad things America does, but we do more good things then bad.

WE DONATED THE MOST MONEY after the tsunami hit Asia.

Its PEOPLE LIKE YOU who give America a bad name. Its the PEOPLE LIKE YOU who tell other people from other countries ONLY the bad things about America. Its the people like you who constantly remind of us of our sins. Its the nagging people like you who are the filth of America.

You only complain and complain and complain, well then whats your plan for fixing America? (in detail) and explain how it will be done.

America will go no where with people like you, your not progressive... all you do is biznatch all the time.

Im really getting tired of it. America is great, but you are blinded by your own ideals and hatred to see it. Stop thinking about yourselfs and give to the greater good of fixing America...

Wait a minute.. With your logic, you're saying it's okay to kill hundreds of civilians in the name of a "Democracy" because we "do more good than bad"?

People like YOU, are why America is hated. You're an egotistical, blind follower of a murderous cause. You believe that because we dog on america, we are "evil, filthy dogs". Well.. We may be evil, filthy, or maybe even dogs. But we don't blindly follow something, like YOU do.

"WE DONATED THE MOST MONEY"

Who gives a shiz! That doesn't make up for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed by us, you farking tard!

People like us? The ones that can see past the deceptions and lies that the government creates? (Don't say that i'm lieing, because look at farking Nixon. Reagon. Bush Sr. and Jr.) Uh.. Okay Mr. Smarty Pants. Continue believing that we are the enemy, when YOU are your own enemy.

We only complain and complain? Well of course. You have to be rich in order to be a president, so how in the fark are we ever going to get the chance to fix America?

Oh! Btw. America cannot be fixed. Republicans destroyed it. Just like they destroyed Rome.

And sorry to say, but YOU'RE the ony blinded by your own ideals. America is the greatest country in the world. But farktards like YOU are the reason it's going to hell.

And like I said: How in the fark are we going to fix America, when you have to have Wealth and Power to even get an inch closer to becomming a Senator/Representative/Governour/President? You're blinded by your own stupidity.

P.S. Gorotsuki/Durk-A-Dur says (and I quote)

And I tend to agree with him because ALL evidence points to the fact that you are. You try to insult the people who realize the faults of the government, and like to publicly announce it. All because it goes against your beliefs.

EDIT: Oh! By the way, hypocrite/liar. I thought you were going to cease with the Ad Hominems? Looks to me, like all that your last post was, was an Ad Hominem Abusive.

On Topic

Sicarul. We have had a total of 8 wars that we have partaken in, that are not against our own people. We have had a total of 9 wars within 300 years of us being America. That's not actually horrible. We aren't "Born" of war, either... Where the fark do you come up with that?

There's a bit of discrepancy between wars and declared wars.

That's what I was trying to get at! *Smacks head* Now I realize what I should have said.

We've only diclared war about three-five times I think..

Revolutionary War
Civil War
Vietnam War
Desert Storm
"War on Terrorism"

If there are anymore, please inform us

Actually chris, its people like YOU! I've been to other countries and of course they call americans dumb BECAUSE THEY VOTED FOR BUSH!!!! Isn't that you who thinks bush is doing a good job? Its the ignorant people of america who give america its bad name. This country was born on the shoulder of people who demanded a change, who saw through what they were being fed. Not through kissing ass to the leader. If that was how it was we would all be having merry little farking tea parties with Queen Elizabeth II!!!!

You need to open your farking eyes and smell the bullshiz bush is feeding you. Because one day when your too scared to take a shiz in fear of being arrested, you'll remember "I Voted for that man, I let him take away my rights, I didn't do ANYTHING!"

Vietnam was never declared.

Others:
-World War I
-World War II
-Mexican-American War
-Spanish-American War
-Declared War against the Barbary Pirates

And then there are numerous undeclared wars/conflicts/invasions.

Examples include:
-Bay of Pigs
-Grenada
-Korean War
-Various conflicts in South America

Essentially the U.S. hasn't been in a Congressionally declared war since World War II.

You forgot our presence in Bosnia.

waaa hahahahahaha

Kellimoose you and Euro are crying bloody murder on everything that is America, its actually funny.

*Claps*

Please continue

And oh yeah, you talk about America being egositical, but how is that when you are an American (and don't forget th thousands of liberal college students who agree with you) who stated that America = shizhole, terrible economy, horrible leadership, etc.

That doesn't sound like an ego america that you describe it to be.

haha hypocrite

I see in no way how we are hypocrites. Your entire post was not understandable. Please retake grades 3 through 6. Thank you. BTW I thought up an acronym for people like you. B.A.D.


So you would rather us be like the german people during Hitlers rise? Sit here and take it until finally its too late? Exactly... benedict arnold..

Reasons for dis-beliving bush on 9/11
Pentagon Strike

Demolition on Twin Towers.
(Keep hitting next)

Face it, this is King George's War and he used 9/11 as the entrance point and reason for it.

Oh yeah and this will be the 4th time I have said this, I don't think we should have gone into Iraq, it was stupid etc..

But while we are there I think we are doing good with the people and for their country based on intel from my friend Army Ranger Brad (went there 3 times, two 6 month tours, one 3 month, with trips to aphganistan inbetween the 6 month tours)

And personal observation.

And let me restate what I said in an earlier post:

Kellimoose stated that Americans have large egos.

What I'm asking is how is that possible when Kellimoose, and the millions of Americans who agree with him constantly degrade the country they live in, hence having no ego.

I find that hypocritical.

I knew the pentagon thing before seeing the video, i don't know if world trade center was also planned, but i'm sure it was a missile that striked in the pentagon, may be it was to give additional reasons to go war...

When it's not an external war, it's internal war, that's what i meant, there's always a war... either declared or not declared, there's so little space for peace... wich is not good

Still, the problem is in the human being, not in america itself... if all humans died, planet could still go on, and would be much better, without insects, it wouldn't.

Edit: It's not that i want all humans to die xD it's just that we do damage all the time...

Chris... you do realize that the people who tell the truth about america (all its flaws) don't make up all of america, there are many more people who think america is all great and dandy and that we could take anyone.

America will be completely sapped of the last remains of intelligence, culture, and sophistication it still (barely) has. Commercialization will literally make us the McDonald's Nation.

Republicans in the government will cause stupidity to grow expnentially. Anything that is good or noble will be used as a moneymaking device. The masses will become even more uneducated, while the nation starts censoring and contorlling the media. Corporations become more valuable than people. Soon an ultra-rich 1% will control almost all of the country. The interests of the rich will be protected at the expense of the poor. Dissenters will be silenced. All in all, a rather 1984-esque scenario will unfold by the year 2120.

America sucks.