QUOTE(Syphon @ Dec 24 2005, 01:54 PM)
Really? Point out christians trying to take money from the rest of the world by all their charitable donations, feeding the poor, helping th esick and giving faith to the orphans and all that
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Old catholics around the protestant revolution (I know, it was corrupt back then, the catholic church)
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I just think God and Satan are two religious figures that were thought up thousands of years ago to give people hope and make them think that if you do good you go to the "holy land" and if you do bad you burn and rot in "Hell." And how does a virgin bear a son without having sex? I just think its some hoax. Even though "mysterious sightings" and that statue somewhere was "crying" blood(saw on the news).This one guy got bit by a poisonious snake and lived and he said he saw "God" and that he "cured" him.... Not everyone dies from a poisonious snake bite... only a percentage... its all just publicity and false crap so people will pay churchs and church programs. No one has any proof that God exists and they never will because he doesn't exist! He's just a symbol of hope like Satan is a sign of hate and torment. That's MY opinion
Okay, about the Virgin Mary, that's assuming God was real, she existed. Then, if God is real, you're saying he can create life, but not let a virgin have a child?
Good and Evil are Point of views, but the good and evil we accept are God's point of view of good and evil.
And, the biggest sin for God is not believing in him, and not accepting him even though he gave people many chances at happiness. Sin is just wutever brings you further away from God. Sins are not directly judging Hell and Heaven, but if you sin, you are moving further away from God. In my opinion...
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 25 2005, 01:55 AM)
Okay, about the Virgin Mary, that's assuming God was real, she existed. Then, if God is real, you're saying he can create life, but not let a virgin have a child?
Good and Evil are Point of views, but the good and evil we accept are God's point of view of good and evil.
And, the biggest sin for God is not believing in him, and not accepting him even though he gave people many chances at happiness. Sin is just wutever brings you further away from God. Sins are not directly judging Hell and Heaven, but if you sin, you are moving further away from God. In my opinion...
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The greatest sin would be believing in God and going up against him. (As in lucifer)
God didn't give enough evidence that he exists in the first place. He purposely did that. Some how thinking that only good honest people would believe in him, which is obviously false. And if people choose to think he's not real, it's not our fault. It's his. Am I to be punished for some stupid mistake he made? I think not. And if so, we need to vote in a new god, cause he clearly doesn't know how to judge people correctly. And if heaven isn't a democracy, we need to spread freedom there. Power to the angels.
The more I think about this whole God concept, the more it makes me laugh. The flaws in it are piled so high, I can't even reach the top.
Dude, nobody is sinless in God's eyes. He doesn't care if you killed 50,000 people or insulted somebody. It's all wrong. It may SEEM like a big difference to us, but to him, it's like one child hitting another really hard compared to a child just badgering another.
So, what gets you into heaven? Belief in God. If you believe in God, you believe he will cleanse your sins, since heaven is a place without sin.
Also, hell is just place w/o God. You CHOOSE to go to hell just by saying "I dont want God in my life". You get what you want. That's wut God does.
Blind faith of a blind Christain.
In my eyes, God does exist, and you will go to heaven as long as you don't murder someone.
But guess what? Heaven and Hell do not exist! omfg!
farking blind ass christians/protistants/catholics/jews/ect..
Religion is for the weak.
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 26 2005, 03:03 AM)
Dude, nobody is sinless in God's eyes. He doesn't care if you killed 50,000 people or insulted somebody. It's all wrong. It may SEEM like a big difference to us, but to him, it's like one child hitting another really hard compared to a child just badgering another.
So, what gets you into heaven? Belief in God. If you believe in God, you believe he will cleanse your sins, since heaven is a place without sin.
Also, hell is just place w/o God. You CHOOSE to go to hell just by saying "I dont want God in my life". You get what you want. That's wut God does.
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So hell is a place w/o god? THAT'S IT? Man, that's nothing! The word hell is
WAY too strong of a word for it. Should just be called a godless world. Or better yet, the real world.
Also, God doesn't care if I killed 50,000 people? Is God that full of apathy? If he doesn't care about 50,000 people, who's to say he doesn't care judging people in the first place?
What does he have to gain by judging people?
Nothing.
What does he have to lose by judging people?
His time.
I should have pointed something out.
According to your precious Bible, you can repent for your sins.
But also, it states that if you commit the same sin to many times (Your mudering of 50,000 people. That's murder over 50,000 times you dolt) that you will no longer be able to repent for that sin.
Neiji. You're the blindest, most idiodic person when it comes to religious debates. You throw out fiction, and expect everyone to take it as truth.
Guess what? You go to hell after commiting the same sin to many times you fool
Don't be flaming him. He's not stupid, he's just been getting the wrong information.
No seriously. If hell is a place for eternal suffering of physical and mental pain, that would contradict the idea of a loving God. Plus, if hell is full of flames, then WHY DID IT SAY IN THE BIBLE THAT HELL IS COMPLETELY DARK?!
God wants to give us choices, so he didnt' force evidence into us. He let us choose, so that the ones who want him can have him, and the ones who don't can CHOOSE to go to hell.
Evidently evangelicals think otherwise, since they're always going on about "YOU NEED TO ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR OR ELSE LOLOLOL!!111FOUR!1"
Really that's just a stupid idea, straight out of book of stupid ideas.
A group of people does not represent the whole.
The taliban does not imply that all Afghanistan people are evil.
The Nazi does not mean that Germans are evil.
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 26 2005, 11:50 PM)
No seriously. If hell is a place for eternal suffering of physical and mental pain, that would contradict the idea of a loving God. Plus, if hell is full of flames, then WHY DID IT SAY IN THE BIBLE THAT HELL IS COMPLETELY DARK?!
God wants to give us choices, so he didnt' force evidence into us. He let us choose, so that the ones who want him can have him, and the ones who don't can CHOOSE to go to hell.
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1st of all, you contradicted your self with the evidence part. He DID give us evidence. For your religion, it's called the bible.
2nd of all, you insult God's intelligence. God is not stupid enough to use such a stupid method of judging people. Hell, I got a better method than that and I'm human. And it's not better as in, "it's all about your pov." It's better as in, it's just down right more accurate. Take a look:
Instead of deciding on wether a person should go to heaven or hell based primarily on
blind faith, you base your decision on wether or not they were
Good or Bad People in the first place.
Thank god Alpha, for pointing that out!
Most religions i've heard about, blindly judge people *CoughMORMONSCough*
farking Mormons from Preston, Idaho. Most hypocritical, lieing, kiniving, SOBs.
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 26 2005, 11:50 PM)
No seriously. If hell is a place for eternal suffering of physical and mental pain, that would contradict the idea of a loving God. Plus, if hell is full of flames, then WHY DID IT SAY IN THE BIBLE THAT HELL IS COMPLETELY DARK?!
God wants to give us choices, so he didnt' force evidence into us. He let us choose, so that the ones who want him can have him, and the ones who don't can CHOOSE to go to hell.
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Who ever said God was loving? He's deserveing and therefore jealous.
Black fire.
QUOTE(Kellimoose @ Dec 26 2005, 03:12 PM)
I should have pointed something out.
According to your precious Bible, you can repent for your sins.
But also, it states that if you commit the same sin to many times (Your mudering of 50,000 people. That's murder over 50,000 times you dolt) that you will no longer be able to repent for that sin.
Neiji. You're the blindest, most idiodic person when it comes to religious debates. You throw out fiction, and expect everyone to take it as truth.
Guess what? You go to hell after commiting the same sin to many times you fool
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In the bible Jesus says to forgive people seventy times seven times. (Aka, forever).
QUOTE(Kellimoose @ Dec 27 2005, 03:53 PM)
farking Mormons from Preston, Idaho. Most hypocritical, lieing, kiniving, SOBs.
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And you're taking about using curse words to sound intelligent. Sorry Kelly, but those uses of curse words are just immature.
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1st of all, you contradicted your self with the evidence part. He DID give us evidence. For your religion, it's called the bible.
Thx for saying that there's evidence to God's existance.
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2nd of all, you insult God's intelligence. God is not stupid enough to use such a stupid method of judging people. Hell, I got a better method than that and I'm human. And it's not better as in, "it's all about your pov." It's better as in, it's just down right more accurate. Take a look:
Stupid is an opinion. Who cares wut you think.
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Instead of deciding on wether a person should go to heaven or hell based primarily on blind faith, you base your decision on wether or not they were Good or Bad People in the first place.
You just contradicted yourself by:
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He DID give us evidence
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blind faith
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 27 2005, 05:10 PM)
Thx for saying that there's evidence to God's existance.
Stupid is an opinion. Who cares wut you think.
You just contradicted yourself by:
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He "contradicted" himself how? I see absolutely no way of how he "contradicted" himself.
Seems to me that what you like to do, is to take what people say, and twist and manipulate the meaning for your own benefit, EVEN when it isn't what you think it is.
Also, where do you come up with the idea that he said god existed? Are you to stupid to understand his posts?
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God wants to give us choices, so he didnt' force evidence into us. He let us choose, so that the ones who want him can have him, and the ones who don't can CHOOSE to go to hell.
Hmm... Contradiction of your faith.
According to The Bible, and every single religion that follows The Bible, God GIVES you choices. There is no "want" as you love to put it.
Can you ever keep your stories straight?
He WANTS love, so he WANTS us to choose for ourselves. If he forced it onto us, it would be force, not love.
He didn't "contradicted" himself how? I see absolutely no way of how he didn't "contradicted" himself. See? I can do that too. lol.
Seems to me that what you like to do, is to take what people say, and twist and manipulate the meaning for your own benefit, EVEN when it isn't what you think it is. And to make it look like you DON'T, you blame sum1 first.
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Also, where do you come up with the idea that he said god existed?
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He DID give us evidence
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Thx for saying that there's evidence to God's existance.
If god is benevolent, and omnipotent, why does evil exist?
QUOTE(Neiji @ Dec 27 2005, 07:10 PM)
Thx for saying that there's evidence to God's existance.
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I never said there was
enough evidence that there was a God. I mean, why would I be atheist?
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He WANTS love, so he WANTS us to choose for ourselves. If he forced it onto us, it would be force, not love.
There's a difference between loving and knowing. Just cause you believe he exists, doesn't mean you will love him. Look at lucifier. He believes god exists, but he doesn't love him.
That is a pitiful argument I hear a lot. Not bashing you, bashing who ever actually came up with it.
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Stupid is an opinion. Who cares wut you think.
Trump card philosophy isn't gonna work on me.
What I learned is that believing and getting forgiven will make up for all those bad things you did in life.
Nobody is perfect, everyone makes mistakes.
How do we get judged? Well first, our own biological needs probably serve as the best indicator, such as do no other harm, so that our race can survive. Then it probably progresses to the staying above animals, from not doing drugs that just fry your brain cells to not stealing and forcing others to do things.
Atheist side:
If we're an image of god, then why aren't we all powerful deieties that can stop time, kill at will, ect.
Why is it that every bible thumper, thinks that doing drugs will send you to hell?
Because everyone (should) know that drugs are dangerous stupid things to smoke, inhale, choke on, eat, snuff, ect.
but since some people are clueless of those dangers they are hurting themselves and basicly in some sence committing suicide...which is forbidden by god in the christian faith
Okay, question I haven't figured out the answer to yet:
If someone kills someone else not knowing what they are doing should they die?
Does not knowing overshadow that they killed someone else?