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The July Bomb Plot was most definitely the work of the German Army leadership, who wanted certain things that Hitler refused. Firstly, they wanted to make terms with the Western Allies - something which Hitler obviously was not going to let happen. Secondly, they wanted to make the Western Front collapse in the face of the US/British advance, rather than have Germany taken over by the Russians. They were convinced of the inevitability of Germany's defeat and thought that drastic action had to be taken against the Führer before Germany fell to Stalin.

Von Stauffenberg, Beck, Canaris and von Moltke, amongst others, were involved in the plot.

The army was purged after the plot, and many of the conspirators were executed within 24 hours.

why didnt you just bump my topic?

Because I locked it for all the flaming going on in there.

Looks like this topic will go that way too.

1. Ok, so it wasnt a drug, my bad.


2.
Also i was wrong about the officers assasinations attempts, I never heard anything about it but after doing more research i found out that it was his own officers.

There are like thousands of reasons but we won't get into that

Never heard the medication part, I'll look into that.


Well Rommel took part in an attempt to kill Hitler, that's why he commited suicide. (Just on example) That's a well known fact.


just seemed to me like some people think all of Germany followed Hitler and were Nazis, just wanted to say they weren't.


You don't really need to be that smart to control the masses. (An everyday example) Peer pressure. People (sometimes stupid ones) have an influence on what you do, are they geniuses?

You should read the post above you .

I know there are a lot of mistakes that Hitler did, and it makes me wish the attempts on Hitler’s life where successful because that way a new leader would be approved to the Germany army and probably would’ve increased the chances for Germany to win.

Yea, but Hitler’s words are very good I’ve read all of his speeches, and wow. It’s also a known fact that Hitler did well in school .

Surprisingly he couldn't spell for shiz. Ever see the original Mein Kampf

[Opinion] Hitler was a terrible artist. [/Opinion]




Yes, you can.



In the fact that both are ont he discovery channel, and they're both sometimes innacurate.



Mythbusters has more fact in it. WWII documenteries are often just conjecture, memories erode over time and I doubt the generals of war and writters about were truthful towards their home nation if they weren't winning at the time.

I thought it was Hess who wrote up Mein Kampf, and not Hitler?

Hitler wrote it in prison.

Well then, what lesson does this teach us Zombie? That we shouldn't say things we don't know until we fully research it



Okay Mr. K. Let us see you take control of the masses with "peer pressure" and start WWIII.

That is what I thought.. You have to be intelligent in order to control the masses. If you cannot word things right, you will not be able to. In order to word things right, you must have intelligence.

I wouldn't say you have to be intelligent, just.. uh, savvy?
And as Kellimus said, you can't control a nation with "Peer pressure"

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Also i was wrong about the officers assasinations attempts, I never heard anything about it but after doing more research i found out that it was his own officers.
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Well then, what lesson does this teach us Zombie? That we shouldn't say things we don't know until we fully research it

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Okay Mr. K. Let us see you take control of the masses with "peer pressure" and start WWIII.

That is what I thought.. You have to be intelligent in order to control the masses. If you cannot word things right, you will not be able to. In order to word things right, you must have intelligence.
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Hey I do research, just because I got a few things wrong doesn’t really mean anything =/, I have rights you know *shakes his fist* .

He made Rommel shoot himself because Rommel attempted to kill him, did you expect him to give Rommel a cookie?

He hated Jews because he was insane
You can be both intelligent and crazy, this seems to be something that people can't grasp.

Americans basically felt the same amount of hatred towards the Japanese, the internment camps were poorly built, tiny wooden shacks that usually had one room. The camps themselves were surrounded by fences and outposts with armed men. The Japanese were shot if they attempted to escape. This was all because the Japanese-Americans were "potentially" spies when in truth there were no recorded cases of Japanese-Americans spies. So basically it wasn't just "everyone who was in one of those camps made it out alive".

How old are you?

No.

America's justification was that they were all racist and paranoid.
Hitler's justification was that he was crazy.

You decide which is worse.

That wasn't my point, my point was that you don't need to be a genius to exploit a mutual hatred against someone to control people. And word things right? So what, there are people in my school that do awesome in english write great poems and short stories and what not but are DEE-Dee-dee at other classes.

I have heard no one mention Himmler. The man behind the executions. That man that was so disgusted by firing squads that he found better and more efficent ways to execute the Jews.

There are many theorist, including myself beleive in a deeper plot dwelling with Himmler. Yes, Hitler wanted to put jews into camps. Yes, Hitler wanted to execute jews but not as near on the level of Himmler. Hitler felt that jews should be punished but not eradicated. It was Himmler who held expeditions and was obsessed with the superior race. It was Himmler that had the breeding camps to help create his superior race. Many of the expeditions ended with Himmler making false evidence to Hitler. This in turn lead to Hitler letting Himmler have more power. The plot thickens when you get into the part of Himmler slowly feeding Hitler arsenic. Himmler was not happy for Hitler was not fully chasing the Aryan race dream. Arsenic is known to cause Parkinson Disease, which according to many first had accounts Hitler showed the symptoms of this disease before he killed himself. More evidence of the arsenic poisoning comes when Hitler first tried to kill him self with the arsenic. It would not kill him. Not many would blame this on it be outdated or ruined but it could be attributed to him having built up a tollerance from Himmler feeding it to him.

Do not flame but just think about this and how it is all very possible.





As far as the whole sleeping thing on Normandy, Hitler had a tantrom the night before and had taken some sleeping pills. No one dared wake Hitler for he would have them executed even it if was the most pressing of issues. As far as Rommel having control of 3 Panzer Korps that is just a lie. Control was taken from all three generals stationed in that area. Hitler was only to be asked to have permission to move any of the Korps which were stationed with three in the middle of France and the other three stationed near Calia(??? Spelling is probably wrong).

You can't stop me from saying it you dee-dee-dee.

The main thing: Hitler was not a genius on any level. All he did was control a small population of pissed off people and that set of a chain reaction. Hitler turned pretty much into an absolute dictator, the people couldn't go against him or the SA would be banging on their door. That's how he kept the people of Germany from riotting, with fear.

And conquering? Wow, the Nazi's didn't conquer countries, the Wehrmacht did. The Wehrmacht had almost no ties to the Nazi party except being told who to take out.



No revelance what so ever. Did I say you could control the mases with peer pressure? No I used it as an example of how even retards can have influences on people. Having some intelligence does not mean you are a genius mastermind.

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Seriously, it like some of you never heard of an allegory or an example. Oh, and people who just randomly pop up in the thread, read the whole damn thing.

Nice flaming. Hitler controlled all of Germany, How do you think he won the elections? Yes you did say you can control the people with pure pressure, re-read you’re post. Also, Welcome to sen. People always pop in a thread without looking at anything else.

Oh really? I said that you could control the masses with peer pressure? No I said an everyday example of how people manipulate other people is peer pressure.



You ignored everything but 2 sentences smarty



He was elected in 1933 with a 33% overall majority because some people saw him as a way out of the depression. (43% after the reichstag fire) Later on he became Fuhrer and this led to Germany being the way it was. Only 10% of the people actually belonged to the Nazi party in the end. You tell other people to pick up history books and what not but you do not even know about Hitler's rise to power.



Tis a cruel world...

Hitler didnt win elections. He lost the election for chancellor of Germany, which Hindenburg won. Hindenburg just gave the title to him, and after that, there were no more elections.

Hindenburg appointed the nobleman Franz von Papen as chancellor and Papen even wanted Hitler to be Vice-chancellor but he denied. Elections in 1933 GG.

Lol, you should reread my post.

Thanks for repeating what I said for the first half.Hindenburg, on the urging of von Papen, called Hitler to be chancellor of a coalition cabinet.Supported by Alfred Hugenberg, Hitler took office on Jan. 30th. If I didn’t know about how Hitler rised to power, Even though I read a book about it. How would i know that hitler rised to power because:

1.Ineffective Constitution
It weakend the government.As a matter of fact there were many people in Germany who wanted a return to dictatorship.

2.Money
Financial support of wealthy businessmen.

3.Propaganda
Nazi propaganda persuaded the German masses to believe that the Jews were to blame.

4.Programing people.
Hitler promised everybody something.

5. Brilliant speaker
Hitler was a brilliant speaker, and his eyes had a peculiar power over people. He was a good organiser and politician.

Also about that “GG” thing I’d like to point out that you are immature .

Don't forget abot the money Germany was blamed for WWI and had to reduce their armaments and pay around 3.4 Million Dollars.

Plus, not only that Hitler didn't llike Jews, but it seems everyone uses the Jews as a scapegoat. I don't remember any from the top of my head but there were a few incidents like when Jews had wealth from trade and everyone were poor peseants during the Middle Ages

-Nice flaming. Hitler controlled all of Germany, How do you think he won the elections? Yes you did say you can control the people with pure pressure, re-read you’re post. Also, Welcome to sen. People always pop in a thread without looking at anything else.-

First of all you said all of it. He didn't control all of it. Controling as in the people.



Im sorry, more specific term than "Hitler's Rise to Power": The rise to power hitler took the month and the 3 preluding months to when he was elected.

But you still said Germany was 100% behind Hitler.
"Hitler controlled all of Germany, How do you think he won the elections?"

Oh, that was a good book by the way (had to read alot of it for a report on Hitler).



How is that immature? Using a starcraft term on a starcraft forum, you should have attacked my saying of dee-dee-dee, you'd have a better arguement there.