Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-05-29 at 04:49:28
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 01:47 AM)
Because you didn't smoke it right doesn't change it's proven state of being a drug, buddy.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-29 at 04:53:55
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 11:47 AM)
Because you didn't smoke it right doesn't change it's proven state of being a drug, buddy.
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That's just the goverment's position. It's maybe a light drug, but cigarettes make you addict, while weed doesen't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-05-29 at 05:03:34
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Schedule I drugs
Findings required:
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
© There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
(D) The drug is not alcohol (ethanol) due to the failure of prohibition.
Under the DEA's interpretation of the CSA, a drug does not necessarily have to have the same abuse potential as heroin or cocaine to merit placement in Schedule I (in fact, cocaine is currently a Schedule II drug) [6]:
When it comes to a drug that is currently listed in schedule I, if it is undisputed that such drug has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and it is further undisputed that the drug has at least some potential for abuse sufficient to warrant control under the CSA, the drug must remain in schedule I. In such circumstances, placement of the drug in schedules II through V would conflict with the CSA since such drug would not meet the criterion of "a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." 21 USC 812(b).
Sentences for first-time, non-violent offenders convicted of trafficking in Schedule I drugs can easily turn into de facto life sentences when multiple sales are prosecuted in one proceeding. See United States v. Angelos, 345 F. Supp. 2d 1227 (D. Utah 2004) (55 years for three sales of marijuana). Sentences for violent offenders are much higher.
Drugs on this schedule include:
* GHB (Gamma-hydroxybutyrate), which has been used as a general anaesthetic with minimal side-effects and controlled action but a limited safe dosage range. It was placed in Schedule I in March 2000 after widespread recreational use;
* 12-Methoxyibogamine (Ibogaine)
* Cannabis (Marijuana). Cannabis has legal medical uses in some countries and U.S. states. Conseqently, some controversy exists about its placement in Schedule I. Main article: Cannabis rescheduling in the United States;
* Dimethyltryptamine (DMT)
* Heroin (Diacetylmorphine), which is used in much of Europe as a potent pain reliever in terminal cancer patients. (It is about twice as strong, by weight, as morphine.)
* Ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine,MDMA), which continues to be used medically, notably in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). The FDA approved this PTSD use in 2001.
* Psilocybin, the active ingredient in psychedelic mushroom
* 5-MeO-DIPT (Foxy / Foxy Methoxy)
* MDA (3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine);
* Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD / Acid)
* 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine (Mescaline)
* Peyote, which has a narrow exception to its illegal status for religious use by members of the Native American Church;
* Methaqualone(Quaalude, Sopor, Mandrax);
* 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (STP / DOM)
* 2C-T-7 (Blue Mystic / T7)
* 2C-B (Nexus / Bees / Venus / Bromo Mescaline)
* Cathinone (β-ketoamphetamine) is a monoamine alkaloid found in the shrub Catha edulis (Khat).
Findings required:
(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
© There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
(D) The drug is not alcohol (ethanol) due to the failure of prohibition.
Under the DEA's interpretation of the CSA, a drug does not necessarily have to have the same abuse potential as heroin or cocaine to merit placement in Schedule I (in fact, cocaine is currently a Schedule II drug) [6]:
When it comes to a drug that is currently listed in schedule I, if it is undisputed that such drug has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and it is further undisputed that the drug has at least some potential for abuse sufficient to warrant control under the CSA, the drug must remain in schedule I. In such circumstances, placement of the drug in schedules II through V would conflict with the CSA since such drug would not meet the criterion of "a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." 21 USC 812(b).
Sentences for first-time, non-violent offenders convicted of trafficking in Schedule I drugs can easily turn into de facto life sentences when multiple sales are prosecuted in one proceeding. See United States v. Angelos, 345 F. Supp. 2d 1227 (D. Utah 2004) (55 years for three sales of marijuana). Sentences for violent offenders are much higher.
Drugs on this schedule include:
* GHB (Gamma-hydroxybutyrate), which has been used as a general anaesthetic with minimal side-effects and controlled action but a limited safe dosage range. It was placed in Schedule I in March 2000 after widespread recreational use;
* 12-Methoxyibogamine (Ibogaine)
* Cannabis (Marijuana). Cannabis has legal medical uses in some countries and U.S. states. Conseqently, some controversy exists about its placement in Schedule I. Main article: Cannabis rescheduling in the United States;
* Dimethyltryptamine (DMT)
* Heroin (Diacetylmorphine), which is used in much of Europe as a potent pain reliever in terminal cancer patients. (It is about twice as strong, by weight, as morphine.)
* Ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine,MDMA), which continues to be used medically, notably in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). The FDA approved this PTSD use in 2001.
* Psilocybin, the active ingredient in psychedelic mushroom
* 5-MeO-DIPT (Foxy / Foxy Methoxy)
* MDA (3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine);
* Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD / Acid)
* 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine (Mescaline)
* Peyote, which has a narrow exception to its illegal status for religious use by members of the Native American Church;
* Methaqualone(Quaalude, Sopor, Mandrax);
* 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (STP / DOM)
* 2C-T-7 (Blue Mystic / T7)
* 2C-B (Nexus / Bees / Venus / Bromo Mescaline)
* Cathinone (β-ketoamphetamine) is a monoamine alkaloid found in the shrub Catha edulis (Khat).
See the big text in bold? Yeah. These are Schedule I drugs on the controlled substances act.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-29 at 05:21:50
Can you become like this from smoking pot ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-05-29 at 05:32:44
No, but I'll quote myself.
Those pictures, if they are even real, are of really, really, really, stupid people. You don't shoot up with dirty needles.
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 03:34 AM)
You don't get addicted from first or second tries. Chronic use gets you addicted, and if you let it go that far then you got some bad freaking problems and should've never been using drugs in the first place. You're a weak person if it comes to that.
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Those pictures, if they are even real, are of really, really, really, stupid people. You don't shoot up with dirty needles.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-29 at 05:41:37
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 12:32 PM)
No, but I'll quote myself.
Those pictures, if they are even real, are of really, really, really, stupid people. You don't shoot up with dirty needles.
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Those pictures, if they are even real, are of really, really, really, stupid people. You don't shoot up with dirty needles.
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That's not becawse the dirty needles. That's becawse the skin begins to rot while a person is still alive.
Weed doesen't make you addict & doesen't have such harsh effects on your health.
Yes, those people are really stupid, but if they smoked weed they wouldn't end up like this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-05-29 at 14:53:21
QUOTE(Jammed @ May 29 2006, 04:41 AM)
That's not becawse the dirty needles. That's becawse the skin begins to rot while a person is still alive.
Weed doesen't make you addict & doesen't have such harsh effects on your health.
Yes, those people are really stupid, but if they smoked weed they wouldn't end up like this.
Weed doesen't make you addict & doesen't have such harsh effects on your health.
Yes, those people are really stupid, but if they smoked weed they wouldn't end up like this.
You should read the little caption in that picture with that chick who looks like of like she was in the original Night of the Living Dead. Those marks aren't all injection spots, it's the skin infection that they get from using contaminated needles.
Marijuana isn't addicting at all. Plus, you can't compare smoking marijuana to doing other drugs. Shooting up heroin is such a more intense high than smoking marijuana. It's all on the type of high people want. If the let it get out of control by becoming an addict, then that's their own fault and shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. Don't blame the drugs though. It's the person's weak mind that couldn't handle it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-29 at 14:59:27
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 09:52 PM)
Don't blame the drugs though. It's the person's weak mind that couldn't handle it.
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There will allways be weak & stupid people. For their own safety those drugs must not get into their hands (often they don't even understand it). People are sheep that need to be protected, and very often they don't understand why and from what. Don't let them kill themselves.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-05-29 at 15:05:29
That's what pisses me off. Those are the people that ruin it for other who are able to do them responsibly. They are the ones who keep it illegal. Because they abuse it and let it take control of their lives in a way that just screws their lives all up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-05-29 at 15:20:30
Don't bash something, or say its evil, or hate it and condem it unless its hurt you. Just because someone else says drugs ruined their life doesn't mean it'll ruin yours, or everybody elses.
Its like the equivilent of some guy whos got a phobia of heights and forcing him to climb the effiel tower. When he gets to the top hes gonna be like "that was the worst experience of my life, I hated it, and now I'm going to take revenge on who ever forced me to do this."
Ask a rock climber to climb the effiel tower and he'll jump for joy at the suggestion.
Also, D.A.R.E. is a biased group of people trying to rid the streets of drug dealers, not users. They target the kids saying "drugs are evil, dont ever try them, you
'll die it you do" so that the dealers wont have anymore customers. Its the dealers who are generally the criminals and negative influence on society. They're main goal is to make profit with any means nessisary. This leads to crime and violence. D.A.R.E. just wants to get rid of the dealers.
Its like the equivilent of some guy whos got a phobia of heights and forcing him to climb the effiel tower. When he gets to the top hes gonna be like "that was the worst experience of my life, I hated it, and now I'm going to take revenge on who ever forced me to do this."
Ask a rock climber to climb the effiel tower and he'll jump for joy at the suggestion.
Also, D.A.R.E. is a biased group of people trying to rid the streets of drug dealers, not users. They target the kids saying "drugs are evil, dont ever try them, you
'll die it you do" so that the dealers wont have anymore customers. Its the dealers who are generally the criminals and negative influence on society. They're main goal is to make profit with any means nessisary. This leads to crime and violence. D.A.R.E. just wants to get rid of the dealers.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-29 at 15:25:08
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 10:05 PM)
That's what pisses me off. Those are the people that ruin it for other who are able to do them responsibly. They are the ones who keep it illegal. Because they abuse it and let it take control of their lives in a way that just screws their lives all up.
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What did you want from an substance, that gives such a nice effect ? Many people drink alcohol irresponsibly, the same problem here. But we must care for them, nomatter what they spoil & for whom - they are still living people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-05-29 at 15:29:46
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ May 29 2006, 03:20 PM)
Also, D.A.R.E. is a biased group of people trying to rid the streets of drug dealers, not users. They target the kids saying "drugs are evil, dont ever try them, you
'll die it you do" so that the dealers wont have anymore customers. Its the dealers who are generally the criminals and negative influence on society. They're main goal is to make profit with any means nessisary. This leads to crime and violence. D.A.R.E. just wants to get rid of the dealers.
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'll die it you do" so that the dealers wont have anymore customers. Its the dealers who are generally the criminals and negative influence on society. They're main goal is to make profit with any means nessisary. This leads to crime and violence. D.A.R.E. just wants to get rid of the dealers.
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Why kill the branches when you can chop the roots?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-05-29 at 15:30:39
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Why kill the branches when you can chop the roots?
exactly. the dealers are the problem
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What did you want from an substance, that gives such a nice effect ? Many people drink alcohol irresponsibly, the same problem here. But we must care for them, nomatter what they spoil & for whom - they are still living people.
Alcohol is legal though...
we have a much easier time saying people ruin their lives rather than alcohol ruined someone's life.
its just like we have a much easier time saying pot ruined someone's life rather than they ruined their own life.
if pot was legal we'd probably say people who screwed up on pot ruined their own life, not the pot (which it didn't, it WAS the person's fault)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-05-29 at 15:39:30
And it's those kids that will follow the D.A.R.E. program to the ends of the Earth that will never realize that drugs are only bad if you let them get bad. If you can use drugs responsibly, then there is nothing wrong with it. Besides them being illegal.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-05-29 at 16:14:08
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ May 29 2006, 11:52 AM)
Don't blame the drugs though. It's the person's weak mind that couldn't handle it.
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Exactly.
QUOTE(Jammed @ May 29 2006, 12:24 PM)
What did you want from an substance, that gives such a nice effect ? Many people drink alcohol irresponsibly, the same problem here. But we must care for them, nomatter what they spoil & for whom - they are still living people.
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You know what? Here:
QUOTE(dictionary.com)
6 entries found for drug.
drug Audio pronunciation of "drug" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (drg)
n.
1.
1. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
2. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
3. Obsolete. A chemical or dye.
tr.v. drugged, drug·ging, drugs
1. To administer a drug to.
2. To poison or mix (food or drink) with a drug.
3. To stupefy or dull with or as if with a drug: drugged with sleep.
drug Audio pronunciation of "drug" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (drg)
n.
1.
1. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
2. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
3. Obsolete. A chemical or dye.
tr.v. drugged, drug·ging, drugs
1. To administer a drug to.
2. To poison or mix (food or drink) with a drug.
3. To stupefy or dull with or as if with a drug: drugged with sleep.
Sorry, but you lose. Marijuanna IS a drug. So just be quiet already.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-05-30 at 03:14:10
QUOTE(Kellimus @ May 29 2006, 11:13 PM)
Marijuanna IS a drug.
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Weed is defined like a drug. But it's effects are not as serious compared to heroin or cocaine. That's what I'm trying to tell - it's a very ligh drug compared to serious ones.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-05-30 at 06:55:29
It's still classified as a drug.
I don't know what DARE stands for, but I know what it is... but whatever that was like 40 posts ago
Anyway, I'm almost 100% positive there are drugs that harm your body physically, whether or not taken resoponsibly.
I don't know what DARE stands for, but I know what it is... but whatever that was like 40 posts ago
Anyway, I'm almost 100% positive there are drugs that harm your body physically, whether or not taken resoponsibly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-05-30 at 11:14:42
QUOTE(Jammed @ May 30 2006, 12:13 AM)
Weed is defined like a drug. But it's effects are not as serious compared to heroin or cocaine. That's what I'm trying to tell - it's a very ligh drug compared to serious ones.
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No. You're trying to tell us that Marijuanna is not a drug when in fact it is. It doesn't matter the sensation of the drug compared to another, it's still a drug. Drop it already.
QUOTE(Deathawk @ May 30 2006, 03:55 AM)
It's still classified as a drug.
I don't know what DARE stands for, but I know what it is... but whatever that was like 40 posts ago
Anyway, I'm almost 100% positive there are drugs that harm your body physically, whether or not taken resoponsibly.
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I don't know what DARE stands for, but I know what it is... but whatever that was like 40 posts ago
Anyway, I'm almost 100% positive there are drugs that harm your body physically, whether or not taken resoponsibly.
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Yes. Crystal Methamphetamine. Phencyclydine (Angel Dust) Any Opiate. Barbituates. The list goes on.
But I agree with Jammed on one thing: That it's a light drug.
So my vote is to Legalize Marijuanna, but that's not for this thread
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-05-30 at 18:05:48
But, always, responsible use of drugs wont hurt you as much. You can still live a normal and healthy life if you take it easy and don't get addicted and that crap.
I'm sure I'm still gonna live a healthy and normal life even though I've done/will do "hard" drugs.
I'm sure I'm still gonna live a healthy and normal life even though I've done/will do "hard" drugs.