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I wouldnt say that until my other methods have been broken

sigh...LW made OSMAP because he thought the map making community was dieing and it is...he thought OSMAP would make the community grow back...i'm not so sure its growing back...it almost seems unfair that LW was stripped away of his power...however its most likely sens fault that LW lost power because it doesn't stay neutral about topics...sen somehow got opinions

(On a side note, ....-ing every sentence is annoying.)

Johnny actually said something intelligent for the very first time. Or atleast the first time ive seen him do it anyway. The fact is SEN is a site. It doesnt feel or have opinions. Moose however does. The policy that governs SEN is under Moose and IP's thumbs but its not the policy that is SEN. Its the members. And as previously stated if OSMAP was supported alot of SENs members would hit 100% as many times as moose would let them if that happened. So lets just let it be folks.

-Ex

ya, i feel the same way Leon, this has jsut gone on for way too long and its obviously not doing any good. for the most part, no one will change their opinion.

and its not like theres anything we can do about OSMAP and LW has received enough punishment. although i disagree with LW selfish actions, it doesn't mean he isn't still a mapper and he should be welcomed back into the community(as in people should stop hating/despising him).

Clods like you are like candy to LW.

for any method to work, it has to be well-known. if its well-known, then LW will know about it. LW will then proceed to fix the bug.

just having a small band of people(or in some cases, just one person) know anti-OSMAP techniqes doesn't count as countering OSMAP.

As an additional side effect, for people to have the counter to OSMAP, they have to learn about OSMAP in the first place. essentially doing what LW wants, advertising his unprotector.

just for the record, i support protection.


ps the more we keep talking about OSMAP, the more map stealers/riggers who lurk here will find out about it.

Uhm, I just want to throw in my two cents, and maybe a buck or so.

1. I could open the map in the first place error-free (SCMDraft 2).
2. I could open and save it using OSMAP error-free.
3. I could open the resulting file error-free (SCMDraft 2).
4. If OSMAP is made the way I think it is, there is no way that you can get around it. If you get around OSMAP, you get around Starcraft, and the map cannot be played. OSMAP uses the same interpretation methods as Starcraft, and simply allows you to output them as the equivalent in an uncorrupt file. You stop one, you stop both.

Note that number four was based upon assumption; I could be completely wrong.

» OSMAP uses the same interpretation methods as Starcraft
Myth.

Why is it when i made a test map and protected it with Proedit 1.4.2, and then tried to unprotect it with my OSMAP, OSMAP gets an error and crashes? im even using the latest osmap version.

Is OSMAP weak?

The reason is because you dont know.


why dont yo try playing with it?

Heres what you lack in understanding.
Protection does not alter MPQ releated information. Now when people say "OSMAP reads the same way Starcraft does" it really doesn't matter if it uses storm.dll, sfmpqapi, stormlib, or any other way to open MPQ's.

Heres what does matter, the CHK. The CHK has the actual map information. Protection alters the CHK. It is how you decode the CHK that matters.

OSMAP's idea is to decode the CHK file exactly like Starcraft decodes the CHK file. Of course it doesn't read it just like Starcraft.

I wanted to post this in the Portal News forum, but the two OSMAP threads are locked, so I decided to do this here. It's just a thought, nothing more, but I just wanted to speak up - If OSMAP is really about "open-source", then why isn't it open-source itself?

Both Starcraft and Osmap have to extract the CHK from the mpq. Then they have to read the CHK.
How the CHK is read is the only real difference.

I also don't understand what you mean by "horrible named file to read maps". Maps are read by taking apart each section and putting the data into buffers(that's one way to do it at least). There is no API to do this of any kind that's been released(not including Starforge's Dll, but that hasn't really gotton used).

Storm.dll only extracts the CHK. Taking apart the CHK and reading the CHK is done by Starcraft not Storm.dll.

I know the CHK, I know quite a bit about taking apart MPQ's, I know C# and C++. Hell i'm writing my own editor. I know how this works.


They are both Osmaps idea and goal. Promoting open source mapping(which I do fully agree with, just not with OSMAP), and reading the CHK just like Starcraft does.


It's about Open Source Maps, not Open Source Programs.


I don't see Osmap as a threat. It really hasn't caught on. SCU didn't hit big, OSMAP wont.

Because it was made by hippocrits

It's spelled "hypocrite". Also, it's because they don't want people like you stopping the OSMAP movement. The key to salvation doesn't have to be open source.

I dont care how its spelt shouldnt a project for open source have open source codes too? seems fair to me its not like you can stop it Legacyweapon posted a way to stop it already

Okay. I am going to explain exactly why OSMAP cannot read maps "like Starcraft does" (a myth that Moose made up).

Obviously, how would repairing the map based on how Starcraft reads it help at all? Protection alters the map so that it can only be read by Starcraft, so editing it based on Starcraft's reading method would accomplish absolutely nothing.

Actually, it would make more sense to alter the maps so they are read the way Staredit reads them. Technically, I guess you could say that's a more accurate way OSMAP is coded.

Also, by the time you disassembled Starcraft to find the information, nobody would be playing the game anymore . It took SI almost one year to figure out the ISOM algorithms.

In the end the only practical way to unprotect maps is to look for and repair these elements found in the CHK:

• Unexpected sections
• Extra sections
• Missing sections
• Invalid offsets
• Invalid values

In my opinion, if you want to open up a map, you need to be smart enough to do it by hand.


Thats what protection is: Its a challenge to the opener that offers a deal. The deal is if the opener is smart enough to break into the map, then he should be allowed to, since he has proven himself worthy.

No. If it were open source, the map censorship committee could stop the OSMAP revolution.

so? OSMap stopped the Map protection revolution

so? OSMap stopped the credit revolution

So your saying you support OSMap even tho you made a topic about a way to supposivly stop it?

I liked the credit revolution more than the DL thousands of the same map revolution