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They are attracted to people of both the same and opposite sex.

Yes I know this but is it by choice or is it from genes like you said before. I think it is of choice because I know someone that had bf then she went to girls later.

Your example was horrible. Nobody would call me a goose without a good reason. There is a reason why we call it a sexual preference and not the homosexual gene.

The reason for calling it sexual preference is that the term was established before we knew there was a homosexual gene.

It would be nice to imagine that this is true, however the statistics speak for themselves: Like it or not, homosexuality as a psychological condition is based largely on genetics.

So long as enough people are involved and you are picking them at random rather than from a specific group, it doesn't matter that you aren't looking at these things because that's simply not part of the statistics you're trying to find.

Uh...no. Having a homosexual relationship or homosexual intercourse is a conscious choice, however the sexual orientation is most certainly not a conscious choice. If you have the ability to change your sexual preferences at will, which I highly doubt you do (I've never heard of such a thing before), then you are merely the exception to the rule.

Bisexuals are attracted to both genders at the same time. Like I said, as far as I know there is no such thing as flipping back and forth between sexual orientations. And if it did happen it would be very rare.

Another good reason is because there is no one single gene that is responsible for sexual orientation, rather it is the combined effects of many different genes (a number of other traits, especially other psychological ones, also work this way).

Those statistics can't be that valid because you ignore the other major possible cause through those statistics, the environment. Picking people at random is a method that's blind to other possibilities, yet at the same time, picking people you know makes the experiment biased. This is why it's nearly impossible to say something is caused from the environment over a period of time, especially a human life since you cannot think the exact same way the subject does, you cannot experience things the same way as the subject does, etc. Even at random, you could miss a huge statistic, which is another reason why I don't trust statistics very often.

I doubt theres a homosexual gene. It's all by change from environment. Like if someone sees someone else as attractive, or a parent teaches them that being gay is wrong.

Well since some of you think there is a gay gene is there a pedophilia gene too? I wouldnt think so because pedophiles probably don't have many children, and the line probably would have stopped. I think all this homosexual gene is a load of BS.

In the studies, they look at biological and adopted siblings that were raised together. If they are raised together and are of near the same age (which they are), the environment will not change that much for either of them. Nevertheless, the statistics are FAR too far apart for a flaw in the experiment. Twin studies remain one of the most accepted areas of psychology, and very, very few psychologists ignore it (such as radical behaviorists). This study is widely accepted in the psychological world, and it has not been proven incorrect, despite many people trying.



Pedophiles live among us. It is not as if all pedophiles prey on children, in fact, most do not. Most pedophiles live normal lives and form normal families, so the gene, if there was one, would more than likely be passed on.



If it was environmental, why would good Christian children of good Christian parents turn out homosexual?

Because they arent a true Christian. And Tell me ONE Christian that is gay. You can never be christian and gay at the same time. People can say anything and many people are gullible or can't clearly see the right thing.

One of my friends is both homosexual and Christian. Is he any less Christian because of it? No. All Christians are sinners. Your own doctrine states that. So what makes homosexuals any less Christian? If anything, I would say that you are not a Christian, because you seem to be judging others that you know nothing about, other than the fact that they are homosexual.

If he was christian, he would know that Homosexuality is a major sin. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. He also forbidded it. Therefore he is not a christian.

It isn't one of the major evil sins. I bet you have disrespected your mother or father at least once. That's breaking the 10 commandments, as you're supposed to "honor your father and your mother." You probably have also done things on Sabbath, so you have not "remember[ed] the Sabbath day, and keep it holy." The Bible says judge not, lets you be judged, but you seem to be ignoring that. You also seem to be ignoring the whole love your neighbor part. EVERYONE sins. That is one of the basic tenements of Christianity. That is why Jesus came down to Earth. So you are honestly saying that one cannot be a Christian if one is a sinner.

Also, the Adam and Eve / Adam and Steve reason is ridiculous. Just because God does not create something doesn't mean that it is immoral. God did not create you, your parents did. Does that make you an unnatural thing? No.

I don't see why Christians cannot tolerate their fellow man, especially when he has done nothing to harm them.

Edit: Also, like it or not, he is Christian. Nothing you say about his level of Christianity will change that.

That's not true, twins can have completely different experiences. Nobody can learn every experience. They can have similar experiences, but that's not always the case. Not always will a twin look at an experience the same way as the other. You can't prove that sexual preference is caused by environment, but you can't ignore that factor either, it remains a possibility.


The reason why Psychologists hang on to those statistics is to have some hope for knowing why things work. I don't know what psychologists you interviewed who said that it's genetics, but many psychologists are also open the possibility of sexual preference having heavy influence or being caused by the environment. In the case of pedophilia, many of the criminals are victims of pedophilia or child abuse as well and from those events, their brain accepts it as normal because they have been exposed to it. I'm not saying genetics have absolutely nothing to do with it, but I'm saying that the environment does have an effect and possibly the majority of contributions.

There are some pedophiles and gays that view themselves as christian, but there usually of one of the less strickt branches and I mean way less strict. Thats for if they beleive or just made to go to church and so people think there pious. Homosexuality and pedophilia are both basically major sins because you live with them. It's not like saying "No" to your father when hes right its more like saying no to everything he says for the whole of your life when the whole time he is right and your wrong.

As we've been saying, statistics have already shown that sexual orientation is due in a large part to genetics. However, you are right in that there probably isn't any one gene responsible for sexual orientation.

I assume you mean that it's based on genetics rather than on one single gene. I haven't heard of any studies on this, although it wouldn't surprise me if it was true. I have heard of studies which showed that sexual aggression in men is partly due to genetics, but nothing about pedophilia.

Too bad science disagrees with you, huh?

This of course depends entirely on your definition of 'christian'. As far as I know, the commonly accepted definitions of the noun 'christian' mostly go something like this:

'A person who believes that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins, and that the Bible is, either literally or metaphorically, correct.'

This does not exclude homosexuals. It seems to me that you have added in another statement along the lines of 'and is not homosexual'. Note that adding in 'and does not sin' is quite pointless considering that the fact that every normal human sins is central to christianity, and also that, as far as I know, only homosexual intercourse and not homosexuality as a psychological condition is a sin (I could be wrong on that second point, but the first one remains valid). It seems that, in your mind, homosexuality is some kind of special sin which automatically makes those guilty of it not christians, while those guilty only of other sins can still ask forgiveness from Jesus and get it. I'd be interested to see where this is stated in the Bible, and, if it isn't, where you got it from.

n.
An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophiles

I know this realy dose not proove you right or wrong. I just wanted to show everyone what we are talking about here. older men/weman that are attracted to children.

And being Gay is not something you get from your parents. It is entierly up to you. Your point of veiw on this changes when something bad happens to. For girls, its mostly because they were raped in some whay, or molested by there dad or whatever.

For guys it mey be different. Not being gay, I would not know what would turn someone gay.

Now i have a guestion, If being gay WAS something you get from your parents, how do you explaine the people who have a wife / husband.... then all at once, end it all and start "playing for the other team"?

A late reaction. I dont know, I always thought it was your choice. But I just couldnt see that someone thought all that much about it when they decided to "play for the other team" If they did think they made the wrond decision because who wants to be put in that category being seperated from all of the same sex people, I just dont get it!

The bible says homosexuality is wrong and if you believe that the bible is correct that means a gay or pedophiliac christian must know that what they do is wrong. Thats why there is not many gay or pedophiliac christians.

Wrong, There are NO gay or pedophillac christians. If you're gay or a pedophile. you are not a christian at all.

No, you're wrong. The bible mentions gluttony and gossip more than homosexuality or pedophilia. Homosexuality is in no way a major sin, it is just a product of the church's apparent homophobia. If you are going to say that homosexuals aren't Christians, then you should certainly mention that overweight people aren't Christians either, because that is the way that you're going with you logic. I don't know where you got the idea that homosexuality is a major sin, but I have seen no support of yours to back it up.



Alright, I want you right now to look at a guy and become sexually attracted to him. I also want you to look at a very attractive girl and not become attracted to her. Then I want you to switch back and forth a few times. Homosexuality is not something you can flip on and off like a light switch. There is far more evidence supporting the genetic component than the "choice" component and if you want to convince me otherwise you need to show me some evidence.

Maybe you should read the bible before you say that. I mean the WHOLE bible. New and Old testament.

Well, you know what they say about assumption. If you don't believe me, count up the references yourself.

Also, I'm curious. What is your definition of Christian?

I read the bible because I am Christian.

A Christian is a person who follows Jesus' teaching. Basically a everything a jewish person believes in but with more. Jews dont believe in Jesus because they dont think Jesus is the son of God. Christians Believe in the trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. A Chrisitian can't be gay, pedophilliac, and other "un-natural" things. They are people who knows that Jesus forgave our sins in the cross and asks for forgiveness when they ask Jesus or God for it but Catholics asks Mary for it. The only sins that can be forgiven are the ones that arent so major. If you went beyond it, you probably dont think God or Jesus doesnt exist. For example homosexuality. If you are homosexual, you are going against what God said to NOT do at all. That is like a major sin.Another example is suicide. God said a person can't take his own life or take someone's life.

You should probably look at wikipedia for more information, but most of it is fake anyways because anyone can post in Wikipedia. Just google a major Christian site and you'll get information. There are no Christian Homosexuals or pedofiles at all. All those priest that were caught in the news are Catholics, Not christians.

*sigh*

I know it may make you feel better to believe this, but science shows that for the most part it is just plain not true. I mean, hey, it might make us feel better to believe that nuclear weapons can't work, but how many of you believe that? Disagreeing with the truth doesn't stop it from being true.

They may be bisexual. More likely, they are homosexual but simply had a spouse of the opposite gender because society expected them to, and weren't enjoying it as much as a heterosexual person would. Remember, there's a big distinction between homosexuality, which is a subconscious mental state, and homosexual activity, which is a conscioius choice. That is to say, mechanically, there is nothing stopping a gay person from living what seems like a perfectly heterosexual life- he just won't like it as much.

That is correct. However, as I said, people who are called christians do things the Bible says are wrong routinely, and in fact the whole christian religion is based on the idea that Jesus was the only person who was ever free of sin. If we're going to say that homosexuals are automatically not christians because their thoughts involve the desire to sin, then we should do the same for anyone else whose thoughts involve the desire to sin. The result would be that Jesus was the only true christian to have ever lived. So unless homosexuality is some sort of special sin, it really doesn't logically make sense to call homosexuals not christians and not do the same for anyone else who sins, regardless of religion. Last I heard, the Bible didn't say anything about homosexuality being singled out this way, but then I'm not too familiar with the precise wording.

Agreed to all of this.

Okay, so now you're including that in the definition. This makes much more sense.

Just wondering, though, what about people who play StarCraft? Certainly StarCraft is much more unnatural than homosexuality. Homosexuality has been around for as long as our records go back, whereas StarCraft is only eight years old. And many animals have been observed engaging in homosexual activities, while to my knowledge no animal has ever been known to play StarCraft. So all of us here have been doing something unnatural (playing StarCraft) for some time now. Yet you, at least, claim to be a christian. How do you resolve this discrepancy?