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I have a question concerning the zero unprotection policy, what about maps which origionally were protected, but now have widely circulating rigged/modified/etc... unprotected copies, can those copies be used, or would that fall under unprotection.
I say this because our first planned project, Resident Evil: Raccoon city, was origionally protected (I think), but the copies now circulating on battle.net are not.

I guess those ones are okay.

Yoshi, if unprotected maps are there so popular and every version have a diferent authoer do we have permision to remove it and just put "Fixed by MRS" ?

Try to preserve names. If its a map stealer, don't

I still think that unprotected map creators have the same right as protected map creators. If they haven't protected their map that doesn't give the rights to steal it just because it's not protected. So there is no difference between protected and unprotected map author’s rights. So it should be taken on MRS. Besides MRS would be idle and unactive because of lack of unprotected map that should be changed. And unprotected maps are being constantly changed. If we fix one of 30 similar maps that actually does no good. That only makes another map that floods our download folder.

Yoshi I really want that you change your strict policy this time. Otherwise MRS will exist only for short time and all our members will deserve us. I will respect your decision if you choose to not support "unprotection" on MRS but this time you are probably wrong.

i wanna join! i like to test =P Gimme gimme!

Ok, lets start working now people, for our first project, Resident evil: Raccoon city, I have created a list of things in need of fixing.

• Reinforcements are currently buggy, they don't fire after reaching their target location
• The north acadamy is unsavable because too few troops are spawned at the RPD to take it (Trigger need 3 to come before it fires).
• Supply cars often get stuck at certain barricades.
• If we are working from 1.099, the rigged version, it needs to have the rigged units removed

I assumed that we were working either from 1.08, or 1.099.

Protecting maps is known with all map makers. If they wanted people not to touch their maps, they would of had some form of protection. If they didn't, it means they wanted to keep it open source so others can edit it.

Well actually before I spent 1 month on SEN I didn't even heard about protection. Anyway, will you change your policy? If not can we at least discuss MRS stuff on SEN. I say again: MRS can't actually exist without unprotecting.

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Ok PM me the map. I hope Legacy is hosting our channel.

Give me the account password or I can stick a bot in there (Hypnotist)

I added you to tester & distributors group. You can alway check here.

Hmm, I'd really like to join in on this. Let's see, I have mapping experience, but it's mainly playing around with triggers, units, concepts, etc. - never actually completed a decent map. I can certainly try to fix bugs in maps, I think I can repair most of them in most cases, but of course, I have nothing to show for yet.

I'd love to test if I can't help map - I suck enough to be playing at a regular B.Netter level. Okay, slightly less obnoxious...usually. Since school's starting soon, I'd be online more, so yes, I can help out there.


Now, how about old maps that don't really have bugs, but can really use a remake of sorts? For example, Fleet Command and Gunship are two of my personal favourite maps, but they both can really use a remake. Many maps can be switched from a "move the civilian to the beacon" to a system that is, for a lack of a better term, hotkeyable? Why don't we have a division of MRS people working on remakes of old classics, with the techniques of "modern" mapping, like hyper triggers, and...well...yeah. Of course, these will probably have to be remakes, since I really don't think modifying existing maps to such levels would be wise or acceptable.

Secondly, why not just simply add the letters "MRS" to the end of "restored" maps, as opposed to incrementing version numbers?

More experienced map makers know this, and I think this is what MRS is after. Maps by experienced map makers to edit and improve. Overall, I think it'd be much better if they were "Map Recreation Society", and they remake the older maps instead of looking for unprotected ones. I'd approve of that a LOT more.

I'd also like to give fleet command a good remake Spaceboy, its a great map, but it could definitly be remade with modern techniques to a higher standard of quality.

ohh that was u!! , ill give u acces to my bot now so u can give ur self ops, dead the channel is alredy up is Op MRS)

Hmm, I'm wondering if it could be redone needing only 2 players per team. I mean, getting 6 players into a game, have them stay and play, is hell. Plus, it could use a bigger map, and a more easily controlled interface, such as using something other than "move the civ" to shoot missiles and stuff. Heck, the ships could all use some balancing, as Valks reign supreme. Maybe something could be done to ease the use of fighters too.

Alternativly, we could make it so that while the crew is not required, they are optional, if there isn't a crew player their stuff can be given the the person flying the battlecruiser.
The "melee" player really could use some more stuff to do as well, seeing as currently all they can really do is mine and make valks for the bc. As for the missile system, I completly agree, it could definitly use some revamping.

Yep, I agree completely. The commander usually sits there the whole time, and then does all the work in the last 10 minutes. The crew is kind of the most "boring" job at all - at least the commander can scout with his one observer.

Here's a few suggestions to improve the map if we decide on a remake:
- Bigger map. More variety in the terrain.
- The "starport" for the BC should have an beacon beside it labeled "loading platform" that sends stuff directly to the BC. Less a reliance on the really really annoying dropship system.
- The SCV to Civilian beacon should be located on ship. Civilians are pointless on the ground. Let the people on the ship deal with training.
- BC mining should be more refined. It's pretty crude in its present state.
- Fighters should be built, not bought. At least, something less crude than a "Civilian and beacon" system

if you need any more help i can fix triggers pretty well and fix terrain issues.
also typos DRIVE ME CRAZY so i would love to help and fix 'em.

Well remake every map that we find a little buggy would be nonsense. And we can't remake maps so they are bugless. We can get bugs on maps as well as the original creators. Of course we will remake some old maps but our prime objective will still be fixing maps. Besides if a good map is unprotected then most likely it is stolen not unprotected by reason. And by fixing stolen maps we would do even more bad to authors than by unprotecting deserved maps, fixing them and then protecting again.

Yoshi please give us a chance. If we will get complainings from map authors that we have modified(fixed) their maps, then we will probably stop our works. We are not asking for a forum, we just want your approval. Maybe when we will be high in numbers and done some good job then maybe we would need a forum, but not now.

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Added you to "fixers" and "testing & distributing". Anyway did you get your FALLOUT2?



You with Spaceboy could start remaking "fleet command"

Everybody, if you are willing to join please post here.

Tomorrow we will have our first meeting at channel "op MRS)" we will look over map "_6_Raccoon_City__1.099_" test it a bit and decide who could be the best fixer for this map. Meeting will be at 3 pm by GMT-6.

some1 can pin this and MRS list?? that would be great

Yea this forum has no pinned topics and it isn't to active so pinning MRS member list wouldn't do any harm.

Possibly.

Will do boss.

I'll try my best to attend. That's 4:00 pm EST, right? Oh, I also host a teamspeak server that you guys can use. Details are at http://spaceboy2k.game-host.org It's currently down right now due to me upgrading it, but it'll be up in an hour or two.

i think chat is better atleast for me >.< i wont understand nothing, bcause im spanish talker

I'll definitly be on that teamspeak server spaceboy, just got a mike, but don't be scared if I sound like a frog with strep throat, the aformentioned mike is craptacular.