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Your being closed minded about EUDs. They could do so much more then that, if you only took the time to explore with them. I'll just name one feature that we have been dying for in the UMS community, the ability to detect a unit's current HP and change it by a specific numeric increment, not just a percent. That one thing alone was enough to sell me on EUDs.
Who care's if it's getting more like the WC3 editor? I only see that as a benefit to us because it allows us to do so much more with out maps. The WC3 editor is amazingly powerful, and having one for starcraft would give us so many more possibilities. I still see no problem with a WC3 editor for starcraft.

well.. think about it...
Starcraft took 3 Year to be done...
....and 7 Years to be patched and there still Bug and Glitch!

I find this hillarous.

The game itself is perfect, but people are malicious so we still need patches.

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Poor EUD It Never Stood A Chance To Patch 1.13b

at least blizzard must remove that from battlecruisers now lol. If u cant watch old replays then just simply do the exe thing that someone posted before, if u want to use Penguin Plug just wait for a update. As i said before, most of the Starcraft users dont bother on saving replays or using penguin plug, if u dont believe me join a random game and ask if any of them is using penguin plug, the same goes for EUD, whe i hosted Innovation D! most of user dont ever realized or cared that a goliath was be launching Lasers, all they wanted to do is play, and if u can improve theyr games, u are being a good boy. We love/loved blizzard, but we dont have to be his dogs.

Yap these 2 magical words. Right in the spot .

^ Be banned or warned soon.


Anyway, My point is that Melee vs Ums suck. They are both different.

With the EUD... Well. Let's just forget and use our Brain again... :l So every new find will Pwn like it was 2 weeks ago

You know what, I think Deathknight should do heavier research so that Blizzard has to patch StarCraft regularly, just to corrupt the replays out of spite.

Haha, I knew these were going to be patched so that's why i never looked into studying these things.

So the EUDs are gone, nothing we can do about it. So I guess we have no other choice but to go back to our old map making ways.

Yep.

I was about to make my map with matrix (slow mo to fast mo, etc) And weapon change. But EUD has nothing to do with Melee Maps at all.

http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?f...tmp=1#new134353

So called, "SEN_Community" guy, he made blizzard get patch 1.13 and 1.13b.

I can guarantee you can think of at least one thing that is wrong with either unit balances or unit AI in melee. I am ready to bet money on that as well.

It is impossible to make something perfect. There is always something wrong, malicious or not.

Then again, I'm assuming by malicious your refering to the EUD triggers in general. Explain to me how you think they are malicious? I'm also going to generaly ignore what I assume is nothing more then a shot at deathknight for discovering these.

well this sucks, if like if Microsoft patched MSN Messenger to remove all the add ons to improve it, or having Winamp patched so u cant listen to some Artist or song.

There were things that could be done besides little graphical changes here and there, even without the "subtracting/adding unit HP/shield/energy", or "moving location by pixels rather than centering", and "changing terrain".
Using only modifications to units/weapons.dat, I could very easily have made a map that runs smoothly and plays like the original Mario or Super Metroid games, 2-d side-scrollers.
Using only modifications to units.dat, I could easily have made a map where you have mechs that you can customize your weapons arrays, so a player could have two Gauss Rifles, three Lasers, and two 6-missile racks, and with hardly more than 2 triggers per weapon, and have the player be able to smoothly control his unit, without having to worry about others getting in the way, or moving around toofast preventing his weapons from firing.
Only modifying weapons.dat, I could have easily made a Zombie-map in which you actualy track ammo used per shot, rather than per kill.
Oh, not to mention the countless possibilites for RPG's, and I mean for things like battle systems, not "increase attack speed". Oh God, so many possible Battle Systems. Virtual Health could be made so much easier, too.
The list goes on and on.

Well, as much as I dislike having to say this...:
Many people thought the same of getting viruses as from Blizzard being able to patch EUD's; "impossible". Yet it happened.
How many things have been done that would earlier have been thought of as "impossible"?
"If there's anything that history teaches us, it's that we never learn from history."

This post would have been edited to include that last part more than a half hour ago, but when I tried posting it took me to the damn SEN Error Page. Unbelievably frustrating.
I also know that I forgot two things, one that I said, and one that I was going to say...

You are a new member. You are not a moderator, or shouldn't even say things like that now... and you've said about "another way" 40 times, we've heard it. Dk will tell sen, and blizz will patch it again. I will probably submit it to blizzard too, because I'm suck of hearing about euds.

But if maps with EUD can carry viruses then normal maps can carry viruses too. And I haven't heard anybody complaining about getting a virus from B.net.

How does that make sense?

Same, also on b.net forums the blizz guy says he dont know what patch was for... ya right thats like saying :: NO! we just wanted u guys to buy WC3 :: just that u have to read the thing that are b4 him

Psh.. I knew this would happen. Blizzard is just mad cuz they didnt find it first

Well.. I can infect a normal map with a virus or trojan as EUD map.

that make a lot of sense... EUD cant execute a virus is a In Game Modifier sc work whit that.. so if maps maked whit EUD have virues so Normal Maps can have them to

Just because you get mad at someone for a stupid reason doesn't mean you need to waste your time and others time to get revenge, even though they did nothing to you. I thought we went over this when you pulled your "broadband trick". Deathknight's not near as much of a douche bag as you are.


One person's word is not enough to throw down a patch, while he may have brought this to Blizzard's attention a little bit before they found out about it, the same ending would have happened, in fact, this guy probably just saved our time and energy.


EUD's pretty much make UMS exactly what you want, there's no creativity involved. If you're referring to "new ways of mapping" as the EUDs, one person discovered them.


Yeah, they're both, "modifying is illegal" is in Starcraft's EULA.


Yeah, but the negative outweighs the positive. Beating up my neighbor's little kids is beneficial to me, that doesn't make it right/legal.


Starcraft obviously supports them more than they do EUDs. There's been patches for maphacks, stackhacks, EUDs, but I still haven't seen one for third party programs that don't effect the game.


Haha. You can me a traitor when you support modifications and modifications of Starcraft's memory/triggers, etc...
Yeah, guess you better ban me from SEN next time someone discovers something like this, even though I never ran to Blizzard or even brought this up except here on SEN or in Op SEN.

I'm sorry, but I support Starcraft in general more than Starcraft UMS Mapmaking. I can see that you people don't, but I do.

recently blizzard admitted to the stealthbot community that aslong as a third party program was not used maliciously it wasnt against the user agreement thing and i think sinch bwchart doesnt run directly with sc it does not violate anything, it just happens to uses the same files as sc but calling PP a hack is pretty wicked. it has only positive uses so i find it to be fitting + many people in the higher ranks use bwscanner and pengiun plug to make the game more fair