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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-12-27 at 21:56:11
This country will fail. It's inevitible. Nothing lasts forever. We may not be forced out of our position, but we will fall out of it ourselves.

The reason WHY we're successful today is a combination of the struggles of The Great Depression and World War 2. We came out of them victorious. Now the spoils of victory are poisoning society. Since there's no longer a struggle to survive (for most citizens), we concern ourselves with pleasure. It's selfish. We glamorize criminals, ignorance, and greed (just turn on the TV for five minutes, ANY station). Nearly every citizen has the opportunity to become eductated, but they mostly do so to try and get more money for more pleasure. There's nothing wrong with wanting pleasure, but it's all America thinks about. We are gluttons.

We spend untold trillions of dollars on drugs and other consumables and luxuries. We spend so much time just thinking about whats wrong with the world, but we're too afraid to give up our luxuries to actually take some sort of meaningful action. I admit, I fall into this category as well. Here I am ranting about America, but it would be very hard for me to leave my TV, computer, car, etc., in order to make sure my standard of living (as well as everyone else's) was protected.

We are growing more and more fat, stupid, lazy, and selfish. The primary concern of most people is entertaining themselves. How long can greatness last when we only worry about such trivial things? We have too much time and resources at our hands, with no appreciation for how to use them. We only help out others when it is convenient for us to do so. If we have a choice between spending a night volunteering at a homeless shelter, or going to a bachelor party, which would we choose? How can you motivate such a lazy group of people? You can't... at least I don't think you can.

We were determined to improve ourselves in the 30s and 40s, and we succeeded. When this country was founded, we defeated the greatest military in the world at that time (England's), because we were determined to have better lives (who's to say we won't encounter such an opponent someday?). This example is not only true of America, but other countries. Look at Germany. After being decimated in WW1, the people were so determined to improve themselves that they became a threat to the entire world in just a couple of decades. Or Japan after WW2. After what happened, they sprung back into action so quickly because they were determined to improve themselves no matter what (even if it meant allying with the country that just pwned them).

Someone posted those pictures from wartime propaganda. The "Don't question authority" pictures. I have to ask you this: However morally objectional you find that poster, the thinking of that time period sure as hell worked, didn't it? When you have to choose between being moral or starving to death, what are you gonna choose? Never doubt the sacrifices a group of people will make in order to survive. Nowadays, we're all too educated to stoop to such a sacrificial state of mind. There's nothing wrong with being educated. But education that takes no action is really a waste.

In summary, it's as if the very nature of victory ensures that it won't last. As we grow fatter on it's spoils, somewhere there are people determined to improve their lives, no matter what they have to do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2005-12-28 at 00:21:25
With bush as our president, he will slowly show us that he is an idiotic dicatator who craves power so he can be a tyrant with it. WWIII will soon commence, US vs the entire world probably (i'll be in germany by then =)) I just pray he gets kicked out of office.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2005-12-28 at 00:47:07
QUOTE(Doodan @ Dec 27 2005, 09:56 PM)
This country will fail. It's inevitible. Nothing lasts forever. We may not be forced out of our position, but we will fall out of it ourselves.

The reason WHY we're successful today is a combination of the struggles of The Great Depression and World War 2. We came out of them victorious. Now the spoils of victory are poisoning society. Since there's no longer a struggle to survive (for most citizens), we concern ourselves with pleasure. It's selfish. We glamorize criminals, ignorance, and greed (just turn on the TV for five minutes, ANY station). Nearly every citizen has the opportunity to become eductated, but they mostly do so to try and get more money for more pleasure. There's nothing wrong with wanting pleasure, but it's all America thinks about. We are gluttons.

We spend untold trillions of dollars on drugs and other consumables and luxuries. We spend so much time just thinking about whats wrong with the world, but we're too afraid to give up our luxuries to actually take some sort of meaningful action. I admit, I fall into this category as well. Here I am ranting about America, but it would be very hard for me to leave my TV, computer, car, etc., in order to make sure my standard of living (as well as everyone else's) was protected.

We are growing more and more fat, stupid, lazy, and selfish. The primary concern of most people is entertaining themselves. How long can greatness last when we only worry about such trivial things? We have too much time and resources at our hands, with no appreciation for how to use them. We only help out others when it is convenient for us to do so. If we have a choice between spending a night volunteering at a homeless shelter, or going to a bachelor party, which would we choose? How can you motivate such a lazy group of people? You can't... at least I don't think you can.

We were determined to improve ourselves in the 30s and 40s, and we succeeded. When this country was founded, we defeated the greatest military in the world at that time (England's), because we were determined to have better lives (who's to say we won't encounter such an opponent someday?). This example is not only true of America, but other countries. Look at Germany. After being decimated in WW1, the people were so determined to improve themselves that they became a threat to the entire world in just a couple of decades. Or Japan after WW2. After what happened, they sprung back into action so quickly because they were determined to improve themselves no matter what (even if it meant allying with the country that just pwned them).

Someone posted those pictures from wartime propaganda. The "Don't question authority" pictures. I have to ask you this: However morally objectional you find that poster, the thinking of that time period sure as hell worked, didn't it? When you have to choose between being moral or starving to death, what are you gonna choose? Never doubt the sacrifices a group of people will make in order to survive. Nowadays, we're all too educated to stoop to such a sacrificial state of mind. There's nothing wrong with being educated. But education that takes no action is really a waste.

In summary, it's as if the very nature of victory ensures that it won't last. As we grow fatter on it's spoils, somewhere there are people determined to improve their lives, no matter what they have to do.
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You said what Ive been waiting to hear! Thank you... Hes basically got it ALL covered... America is too "occupied" with their own matters than others. People are so consumed by wealth and power to want to change anything. They think America is improving when really... its being destroyed from the bottom, up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 03:18:04
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 26 2005, 08:20 PM)
waaa hahahahahaha

Kellimoose you and Euro are crying bloody murder on everything that is America, its actually funny.

*Claps*

Please continue

And oh yeah, you talk about America being egositical, but how is that when you are an American (and don't forget th thousands of liberal college students who agree with you) who stated that America = shizhole, terrible economy, horrible leadership, etc.

That doesn't sound like an ego america that you describe it to be.

haha hypocrite
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How am I a hypocrite because I can see the faults of america?

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 27 2005, 12:00 AM)
Oh yeah and this will be the 4th time I have said this, I don't think we should have gone into Iraq, it was stupid etc..

But while we are there I think we are doing good with the people and for their country based on intel from my friend Army Ranger Brad (went there 3 times, two 6 month tours, one 3 month, with trips to aphganistan inbetween the 6 month tours)

And personal observation.

And let me restate what I said in an earlier post:

Kellimoose stated that Americans have large egos.

What I'm asking is how is that possible when Kellimoose, and the millions of Americans who agree with him constantly degrade the country they live in, hence having no ego.

I find that hypocritical.
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We could care less about your friends, Chris.

Guess what? Two of my cousins are in Iraq, and they hate it.

My friends cousin has a hole through his hand cause of a road-side bomb, and the Iraq citizens cheered that they got bombed.

So whipty farking do Chris, whipty farking do.

And yes. American's have large egos, i'm talking to one now.

You're stupid. Seriously. Me, and the "millions" of other Americans that degrade this country have no ego, yes. That doesn't mean we're hypocrites. Explain how you get hypocracy from critisism?

You really aren't as smart as you try to make everyone think you are.

EDIT: And Doodan. I love you in a non-homosexual way. You took the words right out of my mouth (I'm suprized you have the ability to explain to morons) and you get an extra 1000000 points in my book.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-28 at 05:13:48
lol

This is hilarious

You all are soooo ready to see America fall, it even seems you want it to fall.

You probably hate how you have the freedom to buy a computer and play video games, you probably hate freedom in general.

America doesn't suck.

Most of you probably haven't seen the sun either, its called getting out of your houses. Yea, Microsoft probably sucks too cause its full of Americans, malls suck cause they are American, Police and fire departments suck too cause they are American.

And you know what?

Africa sucks, people there have been starving since before my grandparents were born. Africa is full of disease and AIDs.

Europe sucks, UN corruption is worse then America's government. Russia sucks, when they were the soviet union they murdered millions of people.

Middle East sucks, the people there constantly fark with the West, children there are grown up in schools with bias religion in their teachings.

Mexico sucks, they don't try and stop their people from flooding the US and destroying American culture.

I don't really have a problem with Asia, thumbs up to them, they are nice.

Canada is alright too, they probably have no idea whats this all is aboot though.

South America = illegal drugs. nuff said.

In America do you ever hear of mass amounts of people starving that have nothing to do with natural disasters? Do you ever hear of mass killings of civilians? (I can keep going with this) The truth is you don't. The media here feeds you bias crap about how terrible America is. The government is terrible, I agree with you there, but the American way of life and people are not crap. America is not crap.

Im sad to even read about how much hate you have for her.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-28 at 05:45:11
He's realizing he really has no argument against this, so he tries to say everyone who speaks the truth never leaves their houses and sits at the computer and that we hate freedom.... tsk tsk tsk.

You know what Chris... I'm going to compare you to those british loyalists who feared change. Who 'loved' their country and thought that all those acts were just. Same thing with you. "oh, the patriot acts violates our rights but thats ok because i'm a B.A.D." - chris. Thats you alright.

I love freedom... maybe one day I will actually feel free and it won't be an illusion.

Heres another quote for you chris:

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre." - frank zappa

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 06:22:23
Never thought he would stoop so low. Whoopsie! Yes I did!

QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 28 2005, 03:13 AM)
lol

This is hilarious

You all are soooo ready to see America fall, it even seems you want it to fall.

You probably hate how you have the freedom to buy a computer and play video games, you probably hate freedom in general.

America doesn't suck.

Most of you probably haven't seen the sun either, its called getting out of your houses.  Yea, Microsoft probably sucks too cause its full of Americans, malls suck cause they are American, Police and fire departments suck too cause they are American.

And you know what?

Africa sucks, people there have been starving since before my grandparents were born.  Africa is full of disease and AIDs.

Europe sucks, UN corruption is worse then America's government.  Russia sucks, when they were the soviet union they murdered millions of people.

Middle East sucks, the people there constantly fark with the West, children there are grown up in schools with bias religion in their teachings.

Mexico sucks, they don't try and stop their people from flooding the US and destroying American culture.

I don't really have a problem with Asia, thumbs up to them, they are nice.

Canada is alright too, they probably have no idea whats this all is aboot though.

South America = illegal drugs. nuff said.

In America do you ever hear of mass amounts of people starving that have nothing to do with natural disasters?  Do you ever hear of mass killings of civilians?  (I can keep going with this) The truth is you don't.  The media here feeds you bias crap about how terrible America is.  The government is terrible, I agree with you there, but the American way of life and people are not crap. America is not crap.

Im sad to even read about how much hate you have for her.
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Hell yeah I want america to fall! I want the freedom back in the peoples hands, not the corrupt facist government that has proudly blinded you and millions of other ignorant americans.

No, I don't hate that, because it's not a freedom. It's a privlage.

America does in fact, suck. Because it's full of ignorant people such as yourself, that allow facist dictators to steal your freedoms away with bills such as: The Patriot Act, The RAVE Act

Also. Microsoft does in fact suck. It's ran by a worthless, good for nothing thief. And it was a monopoly. Don't you remember them breaking up due to the Federal Government?? (Wow! They killed off one monopoly out of hundreds! That's really good! PMSL!!!)

Good job at being a bigot! Never thought you had it in you Chris. Africa does in fact, rule. Are you a big sports fan? Guess what? Sports would be no where if it were not for Africans. AIDS? Wow.. They have an epidemic over in Africa, wow. That gives you no reason to attack them, now does it?

Oh! Guess what! America has more diseases than Africa does!

Ganorea. Genital Warts. Genital Herpes. Herpes. Hepatitis. Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV for the Ignorant) AIDS. Syphlis. Mumps. Chicken Pocks. Measels. Small Pox, Pelvic Inflamitory Disease, ect... (The list goes on, and on, and on)

Europe sucks eh? So you're saying that your ancestors blew ass? That's not the way to treat your elders. Russia could technically be part of Asia.

Middle East sucks? But "They're the ones that supply us with out precious oil!" So yeah they don... Oh wait, that means they do suck.

Mexico rulez. Nice job at being a farking bigot! Can't force people to stay in one spot. And maybe all of these Hispanics, are blinded by the government, like you are.

Asia is nice? Hahahaha! Mongols. Ghangus Khan. You still think asians are nice?

Canada is better than America in all aspects. And don't bash the way they speak, noob.

South America = 1337. Just because Bush Sr smugled hundreds of TONS of Cocaine into he US, and setup the drug route, doesn't mean they are bad.

The Incas come from South Amercia. They calculated movements of the stars, and many, many other various things.

No, you don't hear about American people starving. But have you heard, that we throw thousands of tons of food away each day? Ever heard of the Civil War? Maybe Fox News does (Must be your favorite news channel), but Cspan and others, do not.

The government IS terrible, thanks for going against your own argument, too. Hypocrite.

And the American way of life, IS shiz. We are lazy, good for nothing, worthless pieces of shiz, that cry and biznatch about anything and everything.

America IS crap.

And the america YOU speak of, is gone, and WILL NEVER return. Wish to know why? It's ran by corrupt conservatives that only care about two things: Wealth. Power.

NOTE: If America was to kill off Wal-Mart, I would be happy... Somewhat. Same with Starbucks. McDonalds can go, too... How about anything with a CORPORATION should be killed off, eh?

Care for me to name off even more Monopolies?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-28 at 06:26:06
whoa whoa whoa... you've gone to far... leave my starbucks alone!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-28 at 16:00:57
OK Euro, what freedoms do you not have anymore? I take it the only freedom you don't have anymore is privacy (Which is just an illusion, no one has ever had complete privacy) and the unreasonable searches.

Oh and Euro I was just trying to be like you guys, expressing the things I hate, you know jsut trying to be fair.

Kellimoose, you remind me of that one South Park show. It was called "Die hippie die" I think you would find that one extremely funny.

So mmmm who are the corporations? I do you feel you are going to take them down? Wait I know what you could do, you could have a gaint concert, where every one sits around and smokes weed and does nothing. Yeah! Thats the type of people I want my kids around! And thats pretty much America today.

If you guys are so passionate about disliking America then why don't you leave? This isn't an arguement just a suggestion.

Do you forget that it was conservatives who were the ones who made America great? WW2 and after, it was the working people. Silly liberals, money is for working people!

You know I only speak the truth and maybe you do too, but thats no reason to fight each other like we are doing now. Kellimoose and Euro, you can't have everything you want, things that seem right to you may seem wrong to others, that doesn't make those things evil.

You two really need to grow up and open your eyes, the world is not such a hateful place.






Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 17:37:51
Fallacy.... Fallacy.... Hmm, fallacy..

Every single one of your arguements has flaws.

I'm sick of trying to present our side of the discussion, when you blindly, arrogently, ignorantly, and stupidly follow something.

And like i've said many, many times before:

I don't hate America. I hate it's government, and it's people that are like YOU (To blind to see the wool in front of their eyes)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sicarul on 2005-12-28 at 17:40:31
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 28 2005, 07:13 AM)
Africa sucks, people there have been starving since before my grandparents were born.  Africa is full of disease and AIDs.

Europe sucks, UN corruption is worse then America's government.  Russia sucks, when they were the soviet union they murdered millions of people.

Middle East sucks, the people there constantly fark with the West, children there are grown up in schools with bias religion in their teachings.

Mexico sucks, they don't try and stop their people from flooding the US and destroying American culture.

I don't really have a problem with Asia, thumbs up to them, they are nice.

Canada is alright too, they probably have no idea whats this all is aboot though.

South America = illegal drugs. nuff said.

In America do you ever hear of mass amounts of people starving that have nothing to do with natural disasters?  Do you ever hear of mass killings of civilians?  (I can keep going with this) The truth is you don't.  The media here feeds you bias crap about how terrible America is.  The government is terrible, I agree with you there, but the American way of life and people are not crap. America is not crap.

Im sad to even read about how much hate you have for her.
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1st of all
Africa is starving and full of diseases, but that's because our culture(European culture, like it or not) colonized and enslaved them, and then america took them and enslaved them, and of what i hear, black people aren't treated that well in america...

2nd
Europe and russia are almost same culture so i don't wonder why

3rd
Middle east isn't definitely a place to live, but USA doesn't help bringing war and selling weapons.

4th
Mexico won't destroy any culture, still i think mexicans crossing don't know what they are doing, they are going from bad to worse.

5th
Canada? Hmm i don't know much about it, at least they don't go war like madmans

6th
Only some countries of south america sell illegal drugs, and USA buys them, so no shiz, still, south america was also colonized, wich makes it have european culture, with a little native americans, wich are a culture i personally admire, but european culture sucks...

7th
The american way of life is crap, because it takes advantage of the poors and gives all profit to richs, making poors more poor and rich more rich, and does spy thingies and such

I'm not in America and i dislike America, and i'm specially worried because they can also start a war here in Argentina, USA is affecting the whole world, there is much more hatred than you think towards america
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-28 at 17:49:27
uh Chris, we're not the ones that need to grow up and open our eyes... you are.

Something Kelli said to me on AIM holds true for you. The Blind follow ignorantly.
I love america, what it use to stand for. Not the greed, corruption, and tyranny it represents today. Are you saying the fore fathers of the past should of kept their mouths shut and let the british continue? I find you and most others hypocritical... Saying what the fore fathers did and their rebellion and speaking out as being ok, but anyone trying to do that today speaking out against the same god damned thing is bad. When the rebellion started, all the loyalists thought them as traitors, rebels, and that they were just being childish. Now we honor them as freedom fighters but denounce all others who try to preserve what they fought for. Wait to go being a B.A.D. .....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-28 at 18:24:13
Are you really trying to compare yourselfs to our forefathers?

I geuss Kellimoose was right, Americans do have huge egos...

And Kellimoose I think this will be the 5th time I have said this, I love America, I do not like I current government.



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QUOTE(Sicarul @ Dec 28 2005, 02:40 PM)
1st of all
Africa is starving and full of diseases, but that's because our culture(European culture, like it or not) colonized and enslaved them, and then america took them and enslaved them, and of what i hear, black people aren't treated that well in america...

2nd
Europe and russia are almost same culture so i don't wonder why

3rd
Middle east isn't definitely a place to live, but USA doesn't help bringing war and selling weapons.

4th
Mexico won't destroy any culture, still i think mexicans crossing don't know what they are doing, they are going from bad to worse.

5th
Canada? Hmm i don't know much about it, at least they don't go war like madmans

6th
Only some countries of south america sell illegal drugs, and USA buys them, so no shiz, still, south america was also colonized, wich makes it have european culture, with a little native americans, wich are a culture i personally admire, but european culture sucks...

7th
The american way of life is crap, because it takes advantage of the poors and gives all profit to richs, making poors more poor and rich more rich, and does spy thingies and such

I'm not in America and i dislike America, and i'm specially worried because they can also start a war here in Argentina, USA is affecting the whole world, there is much more hatred than you think towards america
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Americans take advantage of the poor and give all the money to the rich people... mmm ok I don't really know how you came to this conclussion, maybe the tax cuts, but those are for everybody. And those tax cuts were already proved to be beneficial in a previous old topic.

And we use to treat black people like crap, now the black people usaually treat themselves like crap. (hoes, gangsta, drugs, pimps)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sicarul on 2005-12-28 at 18:58:02
This is endless... each one has it's point of view... and defends it to death... wich is ok but it will be hard to get a conclusion out of this...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 19:29:28
QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
He that is of the opinion money will do everything may well be suspected of doing everything for money.


That proves that the rich could care less for the poor, Stars.

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight.


That's what you dislike about me and Ego.

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
Glass, china and reputation are easily cracked, and never well mended.


To bad The Bush Administration doesn't care.

And I would like to bring up the old argument of how our founding fathers were atheist. Of so, why would Benjamin Franklin, one of our founding fathers, say this? :

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
God heals, and the doctor takes the fees.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-28 at 19:41:27
Chris... Our fore fathers were normal people, they were not big and mighty as alot of people seem to think. They were men who stood up against extraordinary odds and extreme adversity. So ya, I can say I know a few people who I can compare to them.

A little quote describing you...
"He that falls in love with himself shall have no rivals" - Ben Franklin
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 19:58:43
QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.


Guess that fits you well, Chris

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
If you know how to spend less than you get, you have the philosopher's stone.


He knows what's up.

To bad out Administration is full of retards, and they don't see that.

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
If you would persuade, you must appeal to interest rather than intellect.


No wonder Bush is such a good manipulator. The country as a whole is ignorant, and uneducated

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
Sloth makes all things difficult, but industry, all things easy. He that rises late must trot all day, and shall scarce overtake his business at night, while laziness travels so slowly that poverty soon overtakes him.


No wonder America is full of poor people.

QUOTE(Benjamin Franklin)
There is no kind of dishonesty into which otherwise good people more easily and frequently fall than that of defrauding the government.


Now quit your crying, Chris.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-28 at 20:21:31
He was a very intelligent man... if only we had more like him...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-29 at 00:25:51
6th time I have said this, I do not like our current government, but I do not see them as evil.

Kellimoose and Euro you guys are doing nothing right now, waste of posts if you ask me.

and Euro, they were great men, uncompareable. Except maybe FDR I would compare to them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-29 at 01:14:48
I'm doing nothing? Posting quotes that degrade our government (The government at this time) is not doing anything? I'm trying to make a point here, but you're to arrogent to make a plausible argument.

Why don't you learn how to create arguements before trying to even attack me?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2005-12-29 at 01:43:25
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 28 2005, 09:25 PM)
6th time I have said this, I do not like our current government, but I do not see them as evil.

Kellimoose and Euro you guys are doing nothing right now, waste of posts if you ask me.

and Euro, they were great men, uncompareable.  Except maybe FDR I would compare to them.
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If you don't like our current government how can you like America? Our form of government commits from the people and what they vote on, technically the government is America, if you think hard enough Chris. Which I know you can do with that big "conservative" brain of yours.


Also, making threats and personal attacks against eachother won't help you get your opinions across, it actually heightens your stupidity level in eachother's eyes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-29 at 03:01:29
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and Euro, they were great men, uncompareable. Except maybe FDR I would compare to them.

This is what I'm talking about. They were ordinary men who faced extraordinary odds. They are not uncomparable. They wanted freedom and were going to do anything to acchieve it. There are a few people alive today with that same idea in mind, but have to change their methods with the modern era.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-29 at 04:16:43
My last post attacked you?

Kellimoose on a ratio of how many reasonable arguements I have made in the history of me being here compared to yours is some where around 60/40. 60 being me.

So please don't lecture me on making arguements.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-29 at 04:50:11
Hahahahaha!

Yes, that may be true. But they consist of: "I'm conservative! I'm always right, you're always wrong!"

Some ratio that is.

On Topic (Since S.T.A.R.S-Chris LOVES to get OFF TOPIC)

I agree with you Euro, but it's a wasted effort in todays world..

The blind follow ignorantly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-29 at 05:30:10
Cause you know I blindly follow the government after saying 6 times (now 7) that I dislike the government (as in the people running it). Its a good system, not enough good people.
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