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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-01-16 at 11:57:44
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Jan 16 2006, 10:00 AM)
As far as we know, we have too many.
You want us to choose younger mods?
Show us why a younger mod would be better. Proof shows that older members make better mods.
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I don't see a problem in having more moderators.


And not to brag or anything, I think I could moderate just as well as the older members.
Honestly, I think you're underestimating what we can do, along with out maturity, because we're new(er).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2006-01-16 at 12:17:59
*Skipped through a bunch of posts, but, hey.

In all honesty I don't think another Global Mod could hurt. I've seen alot of topics that were just downright flame-outs, and they didn't get closed for a while. Dunno if no one saw it, or if they just weren't thinking, but they ended up progressing far more than they should have.

But, unfortunately, from what I've seen, there's maybe a good five people that could actually be good mods.

It'd be a good thing to consider, if you can find a good person to do it.

Also, kellimus, here's why you wouldn't be a good mod.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=25717

You bring a topic reviewing an old members mistakes, and then proceed to say the mod that closed it is biased and immature, and that he can't make descisions because he's young. You also say your topic wasn't even bad.

Well, it opened up old wounds, would turn out into possible flaming, and the mod had all reason to close it. Just because he's 15, doesn't mean he doesn't know when or when not to close a topic.

You also insist on calling someone greyie/greenie, ect after almost every post. Although most people take nothing from this, there are those that will.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-01-16 at 12:25:14
I agree that more mods wouldn't hurt, as said before, but can help.

And I have no idea why Kellimus is so against people younger then him. He is probably jealous that someone younger then him is much more respected on a website like this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D)s-202 on 2006-01-16 at 13:51:04
Some new mods might help, i would suggest recruiting mods like Silver-Dragon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2006-01-16 at 14:07:40
People usually take the "I'll change" road once they get that fabled moderator position. Once they can moderate, they'll act mature. Once they can moderate, they'll do a good job. And you might notice everyone that says that does not get to moderate.

Because that's not how it works. Everyone should act mature all the time. Make good (meaningful) posts all the time. Then you have better chance of being considered as moderator material. (at least, you should be, I'm not Moose)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-01-16 at 15:17:25
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Some new mods might help, i would suggest recruiting mods like Silver-Dragon.

Umm, I'm flattered, but I changed my name tongue.gif.

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People usually take the "I'll change" road once they get that fabled moderator position. Once they can moderate, they'll act mature. Once they can moderate, they'll do a good job. And you might notice everyone that says that does not get to moderate.

Because that's not how it works. Everyone should act mature all the time. Make good (meaningful) posts all the time. Then you have better chance of being considered as moderator material. (at least, you should be, I'm not Moose)

People don't usually say that though. And it usually works that way for everyone, not only to become a moderator. For example, my grammar became better closer to the period when I became a regular, and even better after I obtained the sixth bar.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-16 at 15:43:29
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So you want more mods?
Show us a good logical reason why we should have more. As far as we know, we have too many.
You want us to choose younger mods?
Show us why a younger mod would be better. Proof shows that older members make better mods.


Age isn't everything.


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People usually take the "I'll change" road once they get that fabled moderator position. Once they can moderate, they'll act mature. Once they can moderate, they'll do a good job. And you might notice everyone that says that does not get to moderate.

Because that's not how it works. Everyone should act mature all the time. Make good (meaningful) posts all the time. Then you have better chance of being considered as moderator material. (at least, you should be, I'm not Moose)


Life is like a play as most people would say.

There are two kinds of people:
Those who pretend and simply act like a member because they are and have no status amongst the rest; until that one day when they achieve status. Thats the day when you pretend to be something more. Thus the pretending continues (rexy's example).

Then there are those other people:
Those who do not pretend, those who are of class and status. Those who make good decisions and dictate correct judgements. Those are the ones who will become moderators... unfortunate however... for those people are already moderators.

Let life happen. If there is a call for moderators... they will be summoned.
Seeking position is pointless... minerals is everything *wink*.

However, just because we do not need more moderators... does not mean that we don't need more activity from the current moderators. I agree that they all make great moderators. Its just at times, the moderation lacks. It's not a big deal really, its just... a burden that ruins many people's experiences on this site.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-01-16 at 15:51:02
Actually Kellimus, that was a test. I was only making that topic to see if you would let it go or create another topic/make a fit about it. And as you can see, you did :), which in reply you say it was an immature action, but actually creating another topic about it (and trying to make some sort of an argument) was an immature action itselt :0

I just think you need to calm down a little bit, you take a little too many things seriously. If DTBK closed your topic, PM him about it asking for a reason instead of creating a topic about it.

Oh, I like how you lied and said "he thinks I said his brother's death was a fake, when infact I didn't" when infact you did say that, so whatever :)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-01-16 at 17:11:21
QUOTE(MindArchon @ Jan 15 2006, 09:56 PM)
So you're saying that if Kellimus walked around and now says "newb" instead of "noob", you or DTBK wouldn't say a word? Ok, since "noob" is percieved as a flame, explain how 'whitie' and 'greenie' are flames. They just tie back into the word "newb", so "newb" and "whitie" are synonyms.
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jan 16 2006, 07:36 AM)
Seeing as how the last 20 (30?) posts were off topic and the first few made no sense, what exactly is the problem?
Also, I disagree with Moose and DTBK that calling someone a 'noob' is flaming.

'You're an idiot'

'You're a noob'

The two don't fall in the same category. However, I'm sure if someone says oen of those things and continues on, it would be an attack on the person. That would be flame; individually, 'you're a noob' isn't as serious as the other.
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Noob, newb, I don't care how you spell it.

But if you say something like "Stop being a newb/noob and stop whining", or "Stupid newb/noob", then noob/newb is a flame. Look at it in context.

For example, in Kellimus's signature, he says:

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Greyies these days -_- Buncha babies anyways

Same with greenies. Stupid greenies. Greenies = Noobs, too.


He equates "Greyies" to babies, and then to "noobs". It's clear he is using noob to say that someone is an idiot, not simply a new member.

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Also, kellimus, here's why you wouldn't be a good mod.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=25717


Another good point. Kellimus loves to hide behind euphemisms of flaming. There isn't really a difference between taking a topic to "point out someone's flaws" and to flame them. Constuctive criticism is one thing, laughing at someone's mistakes or flaws is another.

What if someone had a disability and I took a topic that said: "This is funny, Bob is disabled, ha ha ha"? That's "just pointing out his flaws" if you want to be like Kellimus. But I think I speak for a majority when I say that it is really an insult.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-16 at 17:16:25
Hey dtbk, although I found it quite strange, its possible to unlock your own topic when a moderator closes it... doesn't it defeat the whole purpose of a mod locking your topic?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-01-16 at 17:19:35
That bug is being removed in v5. For now we just deal out punishment for unlocked your topic if a mod locked it. There's no simple way to fix the code in v4.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-01-16 at 17:47:14
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Jan 16 2006, 02:07 PM)
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I hope that's not refering to me. I'll never change, viva le childhood. rockon.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-16 at 17:50:57
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That bug is being removed in v5. For now we just deal out punishment for unlocked your topic if a mod locked it. There's no simple way to fix the code in v4.


Seems like you just moved the topic rather then dealing punishment. smile.gif. Good fun.

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I hope that's not refering to me. I'll never change, viva le childhood. rockon.gif


She refers to everyone on that responds to it on that note.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2006-01-16 at 20:50:30
QUOTE(Centreri @ Jan 16 2006, 12:25 PM)
I agree that more mods wouldn't hurt, as said before, but can help.

And I have no idea why Kellimus is so against people younger then him.


You could have stopped here. But you add:

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He is probably jealous that someone younger then him is much more respected on a website like this.
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which does incite him to retaliate.

Insults are just words. Words have meaning because we choose to put meaning into them. Example, bawboe would mean nothing to most of you people. But in Korean, it means fathead. Insults only offend us because we allow them to. It sounds easy yes, because all you have to do is not to connotate that word as an insult. Unfortunately, everyone doesn't.

My point is that when you call noob or newb, to you, it might not matter. But to the person on the other end, he might perceive it as an insult to himself. It's not whether you think it's an insult but whether the other guy does. And when that person does, he receives that as an attack by you.

As much as I could close a topic due to a flamer when requested by someone, I have to see the thread from the flamer's point of view as well. Perhaps the reporter is just as guilty as the flamer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-16 at 20:55:44
If we truly look at it, insults are just words indeed... but insults live in this supernatural world that we cannot really control... pride also lives in this world along with anger and frustration and ignorance and the like.

We cannot control such feelings as well as we can other feelings, thus we tend to let loose on them resulting in bad judgement calls.


Its babo not bawboe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2006-01-16 at 21:01:02
QUOTE(Red2Blue @ Jan 16 2006, 08:55 PM)
If we truly look at it, insults are just words indeed... but insults live in this supernatural world that we cannot really control... pride also lives in this world along with anger and frustration and ignorance and the like.

We cannot control such feelings as well as we can other feelings, thus we tend to let loose on them resulting in bad judgement calls.
Its babo not bawboe.
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Actually you can control your emotions. That's why some people don't care at funerals and some people do. It's just the same as if I kicked you in the groin or if I kicked you in the groin to save your life.

And as for babo, that might be baybo. I'll go with bawbo. Same thing with PC Bang, when it's really PC Bong.

I go eat sushi now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-01-16 at 22:04:37
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Insults are just words. Words have meaning because we choose to put meaning into them. Example, bawboe would mean nothing to most of you people. But in Korean, it means fathead. Insults only offend us because we allow them to. It sounds easy yes, because all you have to do is not to connotate that word as an insult. Unfortunately, everyone doesn't.

My point is that when you call noob or newb, to you, it might not matter. But to the person on the other end, he might perceive it as an insult to himself. It's not whether you think it's an insult but whether the other guy does. And when that person does, he receives that as an attack by you.

As much as I could close a topic due to a flamer when requested by someone, I have to see the thread from the flamer's point of view as well. Perhaps the reporter is just as guilty as the flamer.

Any word can be an insult then; we can't always go by that logic, because for all I know in korean 'stupid fat-ass' (sorry) could mean 'very nice boy'. We can't always base everything on that logic. Anyway, do you really think that if I hadn't posted that Kellimus wouldn't have retaliated? Everyone lets slip an insult on SEN once in a while wink.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2006-01-16 at 23:48:11
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Jan 16 2006, 11:07 AM)
People usually take the "I'll change" road once they get that fabled moderator position. Once they can moderate, they'll act mature. Once they can moderate, they'll do a good job. And you might notice everyone that says that does not get to moderate.

Because that's not how it works. Everyone should act mature all the time. Make good (meaningful) posts all the time. Then you have better chance of being considered as moderator material. (at least, you should be, I'm not Moose)
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I've always acted mature.. >_>
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-01-16 at 23:53:48
QUOTE(Centreri @ Jan 16 2006, 07:04 PM)
Any word can be an insult then; we can't always go by that logic.
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Look at it in context. It is clear when something is meant as an insult.

if "stupid retard" meant "prodigy" in language X, then you would tell the difference in usage between say,

Omfg you so cool you stupid retard!

and

You're such a stupid retard, stop posting now.

All in context.

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Same thing with PC Bang, when it's really PC Bong.


It's PC Baang wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-17 at 00:14:22
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I've always acted mature.. >_>

Stating that you are sure proves your immaturity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2006-01-17 at 00:22:15
QUOTE(Red2Blue @ Jan 16 2006, 09:14 PM)
Stating that you are sure proves your immaturity.
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Showing a pixelated ass in your signature sure proves yours.
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I was just kidding by the way, there is such a thing called sarcasm.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-17 at 00:25:16
Whats wrong with a pixelated a**?
Sarcasm never works on the internet... Unless you clearly point it out... then again... that wouldn't really be sarcasm... would it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-17 at 00:34:28
Why is it that we're supposed to stop flames, yet the admin allows subtle flames, and subtly flames himself?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-17 at 00:37:43
Why are you so concerned over flames anyway? You are beginning to sound like a broken reccord and I barely know you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-17 at 00:58:11
Everyone here speaks about not flaming, yet they all do it themselves.

I want the spam and flame to leave. I remember the old SEN when Yoshi was here. People were suspended left and right.

I see no one being suspended now.
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