Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zwitch on 2006-02-20 at 15:43:29
Yay! Revolt! The easiest opportunity I'll ever have for my accession to power once the government is dissolved! 
Revolutions are stupid unless you have some people with lots of brains behind it because IF the people's side wins, what are they gonna do? Make some new ideological "People's Government" which eventually erupts into a civil war due to unforseen problems. Personally, I don't think the people could overpower the government, not with all the military and police forces that could squelch an uprising.
And speaking on the government, yeah, too many checks and balances for anyone to do anything too major or rash.
Revolutions are stupid unless you have some people with lots of brains behind it because IF the people's side wins, what are they gonna do? Make some new ideological "People's Government" which eventually erupts into a civil war due to unforseen problems. Personally, I don't think the people could overpower the government, not with all the military and police forces that could squelch an uprising.
And speaking on the government, yeah, too many checks and balances for anyone to do anything too major or rash.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-02-20 at 16:02:35
Hey man, I'd revolt against the government if everyone else is, so I can be on the winning side.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-20 at 17:16:44
typical uneducated american.... thats why bush is in power, and the american name is smeared...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-21 at 02:10:02
QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 19 2006, 11:00 PM)
That is total BS, you know Chris, your debating skills have deteriorated lately. I saw it when you fought Cheeze. He totally laid down the law with you. Is that your only arguement? Don't Power-hungry republicans always say that? Its the pissed off minorities. I'm sure you say the same about the arabs. "Ya we should post more anti-islam propaganda, they are only the pissed off minority." Can youprove that they are pissed off? Maybe their right, and your wrong? Thats right, you can't take being wrong. Its people like you that lead this country to ruin. Bush may be out in 3-4 years, but the damage that he will do will be irreperable. Lets see, in his administration, we had a planned Tragedy, we have wiretaps, we have Special ID cards in the future, we have extreme torture out in the open, we have secret police. Ya didn't know about those did ya? Infiltrate PEACEFUL protestors and ignite riots among them causing the Riot Police to attack, we have the opression of another country and the propaganda against the fighters who only want their country back. Ever heard of the downing street memos? They prove he knew about attacking Iraq and lied to the people. While they already had the plan to attack they told us things were undecided.
www.downingstreetmemo.com
http://afterdowningstreet.org
They have lied to us on so many occasions. The whole D|ck (so shoot me, its his name) Cheney shooting. Anyone who owns a shotgun will tell you that at 90 feet, the 28 gauge rifle he used that had one barrel longer then the other would not be as effective as "scooter"'s injuries were. It had to be 15 feet or less.
Maybe your just too proud to say that the true patriots were right? Maybe Voltaire was right in saying “It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere.”, “Prejudices are what fools use for reason.”, and “It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets”. Maybe MLK was right in saying "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal". Maybe all those bright minds were wrong. Well as it seems, everyone else is wrong and only Chris is right. Chris, you a tool. A number, nothing more. A money source. When the Night of the Rope comes, I'll look for you in the lines...
P.S. If the hatred is with them, do you see them ordering the torture of hundreds, and the deaths of thousands...? Didn't think so.
BTW, that little thing "They lived in a different time" doesn't not change the meaning.
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http://afterdowningstreet.org
They have lied to us on so many occasions. The whole D|ck (so shoot me, its his name) Cheney shooting. Anyone who owns a shotgun will tell you that at 90 feet, the 28 gauge rifle he used that had one barrel longer then the other would not be as effective as "scooter"'s injuries were. It had to be 15 feet or less.
Maybe your just too proud to say that the true patriots were right? Maybe Voltaire was right in saying “It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere.”, “Prejudices are what fools use for reason.”, and “It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets”. Maybe MLK was right in saying "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal". Maybe all those bright minds were wrong. Well as it seems, everyone else is wrong and only Chris is right. Chris, you a tool. A number, nothing more. A money source. When the Night of the Rope comes, I'll look for you in the lines...
P.S. If the hatred is with them, do you see them ordering the torture of hundreds, and the deaths of thousands...? Didn't think so.
BTW, that little thing "They lived in a different time" doesn't not change the meaning.
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A "lol" at best. Theres nothing to argue against you, all of your arguement is not fact, the only fact in this matter is that your whole arguement are conspiracy theories and assumptions.
Which again brings me back to the point. Why revolt? So lets take a peice from your agruement, some damage done, ok so some damage is done, you want to revolt against the new administration that is going to try and fix it? You are more war hungry then any republican.
Tortures? What tortures, show me what EXTREME tortures we are doing. If its not any where close to shoving bamboo slivers under your nails, deeper and deeper into your skin, then your definition of torture is a joke.
wang Cheney, what he does in his private life is no body's business.
I am not a tool
I am a gear /sarcasm
You, on the other hand, are a gun that misfires.
or
A bandwagon jumper.
Pick your favorite please...
QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 20 2006, 02:16 PM)
typical uneducated american.... thats why bush is in power, and the american name is smeared...
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There never was a clean American name, American policy was A LOT worse back then (Phillipines take over, massacre of Indians, etc), then it is now.
If you lived in anytime period from roughly 1815-1975 you would have a lot more to cry about then now.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-22 at 14:24:05
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A "lol" at best. Theres nothing to argue against you, all of your arguement is not fact, the only fact in this matter is that your whole arguement are conspiracy theories and assumptions.
Which again brings me back to the point. Why revolt? So lets take a peice from your agruement, some damage done, ok so some damage is done, you want to revolt against the new administration that is going to try and fix it? You are more war hungry then any republican.
Tortures? What tortures, show me what EXTREME tortures we are doing. If its not any where close to shoving bamboo slivers under your nails, deeper and deeper into your skin, then your definition of torture is a joke.
wang Cheney, what he does in his private life is no body's business.
I am not a tool
I am a gear /sarcasm
You, on the other hand, are a gun that misfires.
or
A bandwagon jumper.
Pick your favorite please...
QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 20 2006, 02:16 PM)
typical uneducated american.... thats why bush is in power, and the american name is smeared...
There never was a clean American name, American policy was A LOT worse back then (Phillipines take over, massacre of Indians, etc), then it is now.
If you lived in anytime period from roughly 1815-1975 you would have a lot more to cry about then now.....
Which again brings me back to the point. Why revolt? So lets take a peice from your agruement, some damage done, ok so some damage is done, you want to revolt against the new administration that is going to try and fix it? You are more war hungry then any republican.
Tortures? What tortures, show me what EXTREME tortures we are doing. If its not any where close to shoving bamboo slivers under your nails, deeper and deeper into your skin, then your definition of torture is a joke.
wang Cheney, what he does in his private life is no body's business.
I am not a tool
I am a gear /sarcasm
You, on the other hand, are a gun that misfires.
or
A bandwagon jumper.
Pick your favorite please...
QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 20 2006, 02:16 PM)
typical uneducated american.... thats why bush is in power, and the american name is smeared...
There never was a clean American name, American policy was A LOT worse back then (Phillipines take over, massacre of Indians, etc), then it is now.
If you lived in anytime period from roughly 1815-1975 you would have a lot more to cry about then now.....
suuuuure Chris, w/e you want to believe. So your saying, since those prisoners were not havingt nails shoved under their nails, but only having to stand naked, under constant fear on a pedastal with a black hood over their heads and wires on their fingers, they weren't being tortured. Obviously, your definition of torture is more of a joke then mine. You know what I'm going to begin to grade you.
Being a Human Being = F
Wiretapping... yup thats all conspiracy... even though King George said it himself. But ya I'M lying. hmm, you say that now that what they do in their private life is none of our concern... yet you were quick to hassle Clinton when in his PRIVATE LIFE he was getting a blowjob. HEy just because you can't get one, don't yell at them.
Being a Hipocrite = A+++
Yes back in those times the name was smeared, but you have to think about it, back then we weren't a global "protector". From 1914 to 1945 we stopped nations from ruling the world. Everyone praised us, well except our enemies such as hitler. Meanwhile we ourselves are trying to do it openly today. Now go into any major country and you'll find a considerable dislike of the Americans. Go into ANY islamic country and you will find a very LARGE dislike of us. So tell me how our name was more smeared then, then it is now. Exactly what I thought... you can't.
Facts in your argument = F
Fast to shoot it down as a conspiracy Theory = A+
BTW, of course I would have more to cry about then... A: there was slavery, B: They wiretapped blacks, and segragated them.
Your probably a racist too, wishing blacks were still in chains. You probably think of it as "An American Tradition". You would probably be one of those people who would say "Oh stop your crying" to those abolitionists. Yet you would praise them today... Oh the hipocrisy of our "Democracy"....
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against the new administration that is going to try and fix it? You are more war hungry then any republican.
Please tell me how they are fixing it... they are making things worse. Me, I'm more freedom-loving then they are, also more then you, as I can see.
Fact is, we are being illegally wiretapped without warrents, and there ARE tortures taking place, as those photos have shown. (Don't even tell me those were the only incidents, though you are a bit correct in a sense.. those were the ONLY incidents that were PHOTOGRAPHED.)
As I sid earlier... your debating skills have deteriorated... I saw you get owned by Cheeze, and you've shown no facts since, yet you are keen to say I show none...
P.S. Please tell me how the downing street memo is not fact.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 15:28:44
QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 22 2006, 11:24 AM)
suuuuure Chris, w/e you want to believe. So your saying, since those prisoners were not havingt nails shoved under their nails, but only having to stand naked, under constant fear on a pedastal with a black hood over their heads and wires on their fingers, they weren't being tortured. Obviously, your definition of torture is more of a joke then mine. You know what I'm going to begin to grade you.
Being a Human Being = F
Wiretapping... yup thats all conspiracy... even though King George said it himself. But ya I'M lying. hmm, you say that now that what they do in their private life is none of our concern... yet you were quick to hassle Clinton when in his PRIVATE LIFE he was getting a blowjob. HEy just because you can't get one, don't yell at them.
Being a Hipocrite = A+++
Yes back in those times the name was smeared, but you have to think about it, back then we weren't a global "protector". From 1914 to 1945 we stopped nations from ruling the world. Everyone praised us, well except our enemies such as hitler. Meanwhile we ourselves are trying to do it openly today. Now go into any major country and you'll find a considerable dislike of the Americans. Go into ANY islamic country and you will find a very LARGE dislike of us. So tell me how our name was more smeared then, then it is now. Exactly what I thought... you can't.
Facts in your argument = F
Fast to shoot it down as a conspiracy Theory = A+
BTW, of course I would have more to cry about then... A: there was slavery, B: They wiretapped blacks, and segragated them.
Your probably a racist too, wishing blacks were still in chains. You probably think of it as "An American Tradition". You would probably be one of those people who would say "Oh stop your crying" to those abolitionists. Yet you would praise them today... Oh the hipocrisy of our "Democracy"....
Please tell me how they are fixing it... they are making things worse. Me, I'm more freedom-loving then they are, also more then you, as I can see.
Fact is, we are being illegally wiretapped without warrents, and there ARE tortures taking place, as those photos have shown. (Don't even tell me those were the only incidents, though you are a bit correct in a sense.. those were the ONLY incidents that were PHOTOGRAPHED.)
As I sid earlier... your debating skills have deteriorated... I saw you get owned by Cheeze, and you've shown no facts since, yet you are keen to say I show none...
P.S. Please tell me how the downing street memo is not fact.
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Being a Human Being = F
Wiretapping... yup thats all conspiracy... even though King George said it himself. But ya I'M lying. hmm, you say that now that what they do in their private life is none of our concern... yet you were quick to hassle Clinton when in his PRIVATE LIFE he was getting a blowjob. HEy just because you can't get one, don't yell at them.
Being a Hipocrite = A+++
Yes back in those times the name was smeared, but you have to think about it, back then we weren't a global "protector". From 1914 to 1945 we stopped nations from ruling the world. Everyone praised us, well except our enemies such as hitler. Meanwhile we ourselves are trying to do it openly today. Now go into any major country and you'll find a considerable dislike of the Americans. Go into ANY islamic country and you will find a very LARGE dislike of us. So tell me how our name was more smeared then, then it is now. Exactly what I thought... you can't.
Facts in your argument = F
Fast to shoot it down as a conspiracy Theory = A+
BTW, of course I would have more to cry about then... A: there was slavery, B: They wiretapped blacks, and segragated them.
Your probably a racist too, wishing blacks were still in chains. You probably think of it as "An American Tradition". You would probably be one of those people who would say "Oh stop your crying" to those abolitionists. Yet you would praise them today... Oh the hipocrisy of our "Democracy"....
Please tell me how they are fixing it... they are making things worse. Me, I'm more freedom-loving then they are, also more then you, as I can see.
Fact is, we are being illegally wiretapped without warrents, and there ARE tortures taking place, as those photos have shown. (Don't even tell me those were the only incidents, though you are a bit correct in a sense.. those were the ONLY incidents that were PHOTOGRAPHED.)
As I sid earlier... your debating skills have deteriorated... I saw you get owned by Cheeze, and you've shown no facts since, yet you are keen to say I show none...
P.S. Please tell me how the downing street memo is not fact.
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Tell me how Cheeze OWNED OMFG HAX PWNED me?
EURO YOU HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
For one, those abuses were IN IRAQ. FARK. The people involved with those abuses WERE CONVICTED. WE DO NOT TORTURE PEOPLE. Get that into your liberal head.
Wire tapping, Clinton did that, a lot of Presidents have done that. Tough luck. Go cry some more, what do you think we are doing? Wire tapping all 200+ million people in this country? Fark no dummy. Try a dozen or so cases of INTERNATIONAL CALLS. We wire tap TERRORISTS/TERRORIST FUNDERS. Also get that into your brain. I thought liberals were suppose to be open minded. mmmm
Before WW1 and WW2 dummy, people disliked America becuase we were still practicing slavery. After civil war, Phillipinos disliked America when we took over their land, they tried to repel over the corse of a couple years resulting in 250,000 dead Phillipinos and roughly 4,000 dead Americans. Im not sure if my American death toll is accuracte so correct me if Im wrong there. We also sailed into Tokyo Bay and pretty much forced Japan to trade with us. The list goes on. Get that into your brain, be opened minded.
Haha I got a girlfriend Euro phhhaaaaaa, ask KrazyDrunkKing doy.
Prove to me also that those were the only tortures photographed.
Yea, just because I dissagree with you I am now racist. Man these assumptions just keep building up. Man even on the internet a person can still pull out the race card, classic really.
By new administration (O-M-G, are you even smart?) I was talking about AFTER BUSH IS OUT OF OFFICE, hence, NEW, before administration.
So basically stop thinking you stuff, well you do know some stuff such as conspiracy theories, but really nothing at all. You try and glorify yourself, thinking everyhting you are doing is right. And (general statement, you not meaning you specifically) you wonder why there hasn't been a liberal president in the last couple President eras.
I on the other hand am a protecter of mis information, I don't think I know everything (I always say "correct me if Im wrong here" if Im unsure about something) and I dislike people who criminalize America.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-22 at 16:09:01
I think the best part of that is how you double posted some huge rant 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 16:16:05
woops, fixed and its not really a rant, its just a defence you could say.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 00cnr on 2006-02-22 at 18:31:19
Yes, why you may ask...
Thomas said it best.
QUOTE(Thomas Jefferson @ June 28 1776)
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Thomas said it best.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-23 at 16:10:37
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Tell me how Cheeze OWNED OMFG HAX PWNED me?
EURO YOU HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
For one, those abuses were IN IRAQ. FARK. The people involved with those abuses WERE CONVICTED. WE DO NOT TORTURE PEOPLE. Get that into your liberal head.
Wire tapping, Clinton did that, a lot of Presidents have done that. Tough luck. Go cry some more, what do you think we are doing? Wire tapping all 200+ million people in this country? Fark no dummy. Try a dozen or so cases of INTERNATIONAL CALLS. We wire tap TERRORISTS/TERRORIST FUNDERS. Also get that into your brain. I thought liberals were suppose to be open minded. mmmm
Before WW1 and WW2 dummy, people disliked America becuase we were still practicing slavery. After civil war, Phillipinos disliked America when we took over their land, they tried to repel over the corse of a couple years resulting in 250,000 dead Phillipinos and roughly 4,000 dead Americans. Im not sure if my American death toll is accuracte so correct me if Im wrong there. We also sailed into Tokyo Bay and pretty much forced Japan to trade with us. The list goes on. Get that into your brain, be opened minded.
Haha I got a girlfriend Euro phhhaaaaaa, ask KrazyDrunkKing doy.
Prove to me also that those were the only tortures photographed.
Yea, just because I dissagree with you I am now racist. Man these assumptions just keep building up. Man even on the internet a person can still pull out the race card, classic really.
By new administration (O-M-G, are you even smart?) I was talking about AFTER BUSH IS OUT OF OFFICE, hence, NEW, before administration.
So basically stop thinking you stuff, well you do know some stuff such as conspiracy theories, but really nothing at all. You try and glorify yourself, thinking everyhting you are doing is right. And (general statement, you not meaning you specifically) you wonder why there hasn't been a liberal president in the last couple President eras.
I on the other hand am a protecter of mis information, I don't think I know everything (I always say "correct me if Im wrong here" if Im unsure about something) and I dislike people who criminalize America.
EURO YOU HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.
For one, those abuses were IN IRAQ. FARK. The people involved with those abuses WERE CONVICTED. WE DO NOT TORTURE PEOPLE. Get that into your liberal head.
Wire tapping, Clinton did that, a lot of Presidents have done that. Tough luck. Go cry some more, what do you think we are doing? Wire tapping all 200+ million people in this country? Fark no dummy. Try a dozen or so cases of INTERNATIONAL CALLS. We wire tap TERRORISTS/TERRORIST FUNDERS. Also get that into your brain. I thought liberals were suppose to be open minded. mmmm
Before WW1 and WW2 dummy, people disliked America becuase we were still practicing slavery. After civil war, Phillipinos disliked America when we took over their land, they tried to repel over the corse of a couple years resulting in 250,000 dead Phillipinos and roughly 4,000 dead Americans. Im not sure if my American death toll is accuracte so correct me if Im wrong there. We also sailed into Tokyo Bay and pretty much forced Japan to trade with us. The list goes on. Get that into your brain, be opened minded.
Haha I got a girlfriend Euro phhhaaaaaa, ask KrazyDrunkKing doy.
Prove to me also that those were the only tortures photographed.
Yea, just because I dissagree with you I am now racist. Man these assumptions just keep building up. Man even on the internet a person can still pull out the race card, classic really.
By new administration (O-M-G, are you even smart?) I was talking about AFTER BUSH IS OUT OF OFFICE, hence, NEW, before administration.
So basically stop thinking you stuff, well you do know some stuff such as conspiracy theories, but really nothing at all. You try and glorify yourself, thinking everyhting you are doing is right. And (general statement, you not meaning you specifically) you wonder why there hasn't been a liberal president in the last couple President eras.
I on the other hand am a protecter of mis information, I don't think I know everything (I always say "correct me if Im wrong here" if Im unsure about something) and I dislike people who criminalize America.
I'm sorry I criminalize the criminals.. I figured thats what you do. I guess we should let them walk free. Oh wait.. your already doing that. I kow EVERYTHING that I talk about.... schmuck.
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So lets take a peice from your agruement, some damage done, ok so some damage is done, you want to revolt against the new administration that is going to try and fix it?
Please tell me how you learned to tell the future...? How can you be certain the next administration will fix things? How do you know they won't just say it and do another.
You do know it does NOT matter where they took place, but the fact that those who are responsible are american.. again... schmuck. Also, you obviously didn't read because I said what about the crimes commited (tortures) that aren't photographed?
BTW I'm not liberal, I'm moderate.
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Wire tapping, Clinton did that, a lot of Presidents have done that. Tough luck. Go cry some more, what do you think we are doing? Wire tapping all 200+ million people in this country? Fark no dummy. Try a dozen or so cases of INTERNATIONAL CALLS. We wire tap TERRORISTS/TERRORIST FUNDERS. Also get that into your brain. I thought liberals were suppose to be open minded. mmmm
How do you think they find out who is a terrorist or a terrorist funder? BY WIRE TAPPING THEM! Schmuck ass consertative. We have the resources to wire tap mostly everyone. For example... that security guard that was video taping the girls in the locker room... he was given the right to place cameras in the school... he put them in the locker room. IF you don't get it, your conservative... oh wait... nvm.
Even Jefferson says that from time to time the tree of liberty must be menured (SP?) with the blood of patriots and tyrants... (bush = tyrant) Do you honestly believe that what this country is doing is good? We have the highest defence budget in the world! Our budget equals the next 18 spenders combined! Thats a little too much when we have people living in poverty. A blind man can see more truth then you can!
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Before WW1 and WW2 dummy, people disliked America becuase we were still practicing slavery. After civil war, Phillipinos disliked America when we took over their land, they tried to repel over the corse of a couple years resulting in 250,000 dead Phillipinos and roughly 4,000 dead Americans. Im not sure if my American death toll is accuracte so correct me if Im wrong there. We also sailed into Tokyo Bay and pretty much forced Japan to trade with us. The list goes on. Get that into your brain, be opened minded.
Everything about history in your post I already knew, but never during those times was our rep so bad as it is today. We can't even go to othe countries without threat of death from a terrorist... back then we could.
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Yea, just because I dissagree with you I am now racist. Man these assumptions just keep building up. Man even on the internet a person can still pull out the race card, classic really.
Actually usually they pull it out when they are desperate. But anyone that thinks (basicly anyone against Bush) can tell you that you would call abolitionists whiners because they didn't conform or go along with all the other lackies.
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So basically stop thinking you stuff, well you do know some stuff such as conspiracy theories, but really nothing at all. You try and glorify yourself, thinking everyhting you are doing is right. And (general statement, you not meaning you specifically) you wonder why there hasn't been a liberal president in the last couple President eras.
Exactly... notice the countries in decline. ooo buried yourself in that one.
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I on the other hand am a protecter of mis information, I don't think I know everything (I always say "correct me if Im wrong here" if Im unsure about something) and I dislike people who criminalize America
no.. you are the "spouter" of misinformation. You don't need to say "correct me if I'm wrong" because I usually correct your whole post anyway.
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Haha I got a girlfriend Euro phhhaaaaaa, ask KrazyDrunkKing doy
Hey.. if thats what gays call their boyfriends nowadays.. then be my guest..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 20:16:57
QUOTE(Euro @ Feb 23 2006, 01:10 PM)
I'm sorry I criminalize the criminals.. I figured thats what you do. I guess we should let them walk free. Oh wait.. your already doing that. I kow EVERYTHING that I talk about.... schmuck.
Please tell me how you learned to tell the future...? How can you be certain the next administration will fix things? How do you know they won't just say it and do another.
You do know it does NOT matter where they took place, but the fact that those who are responsible are american.. again... schmuck. Also, you obviously didn't read because I said what about the crimes commited (tortures) that aren't photographed?
BTW I'm not liberal, I'm moderate.
How do you think they find out who is a terrorist or a terrorist funder? BY WIRE TAPPING THEM! Schmuck ass consertative. We have the resources to wire tap mostly everyone. For example... that security guard that was video taping the girls in the locker room... he was given the right to place cameras in the school... he put them in the locker room. IF you don't get it, your conservative... oh wait... nvm.
Even Jefferson says that from time to time the tree of liberty must be menured (SP?) with the blood of patriots and tyrants... (bush = tyrant) Do you honestly believe that what this country is doing is good? We have the highest defence budget in the world! Our budget equals the next 18 spenders combined! Thats a little too much when we have people living in poverty. A blind man can see more truth then you can!
Everything about history in your post I already knew, but never during those times was our rep so bad as it is today. We can't even go to othe countries without threat of death from a terrorist... back then we could.
Actually usually they pull it out when they are desperate. But anyone that thinks (basicly anyone against Bush) can tell you that you would call abolitionists whiners because they didn't conform or go along with all the other lackies.
Exactly... notice the countries in decline. ooo buried yourself in that one.
no.. you are the "spouter" of misinformation. You don't need to say "correct me if I'm wrong" because I usually correct your whole post anyway.
Hey.. if thats what gays call their boyfriends nowadays.. then be my guest..
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Please tell me how you learned to tell the future...? How can you be certain the next administration will fix things? How do you know they won't just say it and do another.
You do know it does NOT matter where they took place, but the fact that those who are responsible are american.. again... schmuck. Also, you obviously didn't read because I said what about the crimes commited (tortures) that aren't photographed?
BTW I'm not liberal, I'm moderate.
How do you think they find out who is a terrorist or a terrorist funder? BY WIRE TAPPING THEM! Schmuck ass consertative. We have the resources to wire tap mostly everyone. For example... that security guard that was video taping the girls in the locker room... he was given the right to place cameras in the school... he put them in the locker room. IF you don't get it, your conservative... oh wait... nvm.
Even Jefferson says that from time to time the tree of liberty must be menured (SP?) with the blood of patriots and tyrants... (bush = tyrant) Do you honestly believe that what this country is doing is good? We have the highest defence budget in the world! Our budget equals the next 18 spenders combined! Thats a little too much when we have people living in poverty. A blind man can see more truth then you can!
Everything about history in your post I already knew, but never during those times was our rep so bad as it is today. We can't even go to othe countries without threat of death from a terrorist... back then we could.
Actually usually they pull it out when they are desperate. But anyone that thinks (basicly anyone against Bush) can tell you that you would call abolitionists whiners because they didn't conform or go along with all the other lackies.
Exactly... notice the countries in decline. ooo buried yourself in that one.
no.. you are the "spouter" of misinformation. You don't need to say "correct me if I'm wrong" because I usually correct your whole post anyway.
Hey.. if thats what gays call their boyfriends nowadays.. then be my guest..
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Haha Euro.
Ok prove it, tell me when you have had to correct me. I know of one time about th shoe bombers, or was that Kellimus? Prove to me, please.
Haha your classic, your homophobic. hahaa. And don't use insults to cover your self, please euro go lose your virginity before talking more to me, honestly lose it for your self.
Euro your WHOLE post is crap. You didn't answer any of my questions.
Our country is doing good. We liberated Iraqi people, killing MANY terrorists, list goes on.
Our country ain't in decline dummy. If our country was in decline we wouldn't have just created 4.1 million new jobs, more then Japan and Europe combined........ You probably didn;t know that. You have been brain washed by far left radicals convincing you that America is the equal to Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s, no matter what our Government does you will disagree with becuase of your bais stance.
Euro you are desperate for an arguement, you rely on conspiracy theories and assumptions as "facts" or proofs. You are not correct, you spin the real facts, you think Abu G. prison in Iraq is the same as Gitmo, you think horrible crimes against prisoners in Iraq is the same thing that is happening in Gitmo, which is false.
I could keep going. Euro, stop while you are behind, your radical stance isn't debatable becuase it cause cycles of you being proven wrong, then you crying back at me and in which I have to repulse your attacks. This is stupid.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-27 at 16:04:11
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Haha Euro.
Ok prove it, tell me when you have had to correct me. I know of one time about th shoe bombers, or was that Kellimus? Prove to me, please.
Haha your classic, your homophobic. hahaa. And don't use insults to cover your self, please euro go lose your virginity before talking more to me, honestly lose it for your self.
Euro your WHOLE post is crap. You didn't answer any of my questions.
Our country is doing good. We liberated Iraqi people, killing MANY terrorists, list goes on.
Our country ain't in decline dummy. If our country was in decline we wouldn't have just created 4.1 million new jobs, more then Japan and Europe combined........ You probably didn;t know that. You have been brain washed by far left radicals convincing you that America is the equal to Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s, no matter what our Government does you will disagree with becuase of your bais stance.
Euro you are desperate for an arguement, you rely on conspiracy theories and assumptions as "facts" or proofs. You are not correct, you spin the real facts, you think Abu G. prison in Iraq is the same as Gitmo, you think horrible crimes against prisoners in Iraq is the same thing that is happening in Gitmo, which is false.
I could keep going. Euro, stop while you are behind, your radical stance isn't debatable becuase it cause cycles of you being proven wrong, then you crying back at me and in which I have to repulse your attacks. This is stupid.
Ok prove it, tell me when you have had to correct me. I know of one time about th shoe bombers, or was that Kellimus? Prove to me, please.
Haha your classic, your homophobic. hahaa. And don't use insults to cover your self, please euro go lose your virginity before talking more to me, honestly lose it for your self.
Euro your WHOLE post is crap. You didn't answer any of my questions.
Our country is doing good. We liberated Iraqi people, killing MANY terrorists, list goes on.
Our country ain't in decline dummy. If our country was in decline we wouldn't have just created 4.1 million new jobs, more then Japan and Europe combined........ You probably didn;t know that. You have been brain washed by far left radicals convincing you that America is the equal to Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s, no matter what our Government does you will disagree with becuase of your bais stance.
Euro you are desperate for an arguement, you rely on conspiracy theories and assumptions as "facts" or proofs. You are not correct, you spin the real facts, you think Abu G. prison in Iraq is the same as Gitmo, you think horrible crimes against prisoners in Iraq is the same thing that is happening in Gitmo, which is false.
I could keep going. Euro, stop while you are behind, your radical stance isn't debatable becuase it cause cycles of you being proven wrong, then you crying back at me and in which I have to repulse your attacks. This is stupid.
Reported...
Set a couple things straight...
1: I'm not a virgin
2: I'm not homophobic, in fact I'm for their rights.
All that I have bolded is spam and flame. Good job.
There is no cycles of where you have proven me wrong,because...well quite frankly... you haven't. Our country IS in decline. And how is KILLING many terrorists a good thing. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.... You think killing people who we have DECLARED terrorists is a good thing. Liberating Iraq? No. Ok so we gave the, T'V.'s... big whoop. The Iraqi innocents death toll is many times higher then ours is... in the 30,000 or 300,000, I forgot exactly how many 0's (thats kind of a bad thing...) Creating War to create peace is doublethink as Orwell stated. Your rightist stance has blinded you. Yes there are torture crimes happening at Gitmo, hence why the UN wants to visit it to see how far it goes.... yet we invite them but do not allow them access to prisoners.... hmm what do we have to hide? When Saddam denies us access we attack, but when we deny them access, we laugh at them... very hipocritical.
I can say I'm a bit bias, but not much. You on the other hand have the urge to attack all free-minded people due to your close-mindedness. You pull the homophobic card (which is funny) being that majority of us free thinkers want equal rights for the gays, which in fact lets not call them gay. For a change, lets call them people.
Sorry, but Owned[Period]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-27 at 18:01:57
I call them gay becuase they are happy -.-
Im blinded haha, how? I take in your view points and supply a different view point for discussion. Its when YOU start drifting from facts that I start to stress.
Gitmo, please tell what these things we are doing at Gitmo, which you still haven't done. Gitmo is NOT the same prison in Iraq. I hope you know that. Those were prisoner abuses and the soldiers involved were tried. Tell me what tortures we do at Gitmo. So far all we have are uncomfertable states and these states are:
Little sleep
Hot/Cold temperatures
Pop music (any music really)
There was a rumar about using a beautiful women to seduce them, but it was just a rumar I read.
Euro do you think we should be nice to these prisoners? Do they deserve our best facilities?
The answer is no.
Im blinded haha, how? I take in your view points and supply a different view point for discussion. Its when YOU start drifting from facts that I start to stress.
Gitmo, please tell what these things we are doing at Gitmo, which you still haven't done. Gitmo is NOT the same prison in Iraq. I hope you know that. Those were prisoner abuses and the soldiers involved were tried. Tell me what tortures we do at Gitmo. So far all we have are uncomfertable states and these states are:
Little sleep
Hot/Cold temperatures
Pop music (any music really)
There was a rumar about using a beautiful women to seduce them, but it was just a rumar I read.
Euro do you think we should be nice to these prisoners? Do they deserve our best facilities?
The answer is no.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-02-28 at 15:57:25
No shiz Gitmo is a different prison. Still run by the same country.
You can often tell a lot about a country by the way they treat their prisoners. and yes we should treat them nicely. Why is it that we must sink to their level? Because of people like you.
BTW its rumor.
Hot and cold temperatures is a torture.... putting someone in the hotbox or keeping them in a cold cell without appropriate clothes is cruel.
How can you actually say Gitmo is fine when even the UN wants it shut down! They want to inspect it, but as usual is alright for us to deny them but its not alright for other countries to deny us. Typical.
Also... they are not happy at the moment.... they are being told they do not have the same rights as others... as America has always done... first to indians (land)... then to blacks (slavery).... now to gays.
You can often tell a lot about a country by the way they treat their prisoners. and yes we should treat them nicely. Why is it that we must sink to their level? Because of people like you.
BTW its rumor.
Hot and cold temperatures is a torture.... putting someone in the hotbox or keeping them in a cold cell without appropriate clothes is cruel.
How can you actually say Gitmo is fine when even the UN wants it shut down! They want to inspect it, but as usual is alright for us to deny them but its not alright for other countries to deny us. Typical.
Also... they are not happy at the moment.... they are being told they do not have the same rights as others... as America has always done... first to indians (land)... then to blacks (slavery).... now to gays.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-28 at 21:02:03
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No shiz Gitmo is a different prison. Still run by the same country.
You can often tell a lot about a country by the way they treat their prisoners. and yes we should treat them nicely. Why is it that we must sink to their level? Because of people like you.
BTW its rumor.
Hot and cold temperatures is a torture.... putting someone in the hotbox or keeping them in a cold cell without appropriate clothes is cruel.
How can you actually say Gitmo is fine when even the UN wants it shut down! They want to inspect it, but as usual is alright for us to deny them but its not alright for other countries to deny us. Typical.
Also... they are not happy at the moment.... they are being told they do not have the same rights as others... as America has always done... first to indians (land)... then to blacks (slavery).... now to gays.
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You can often tell a lot about a country by the way they treat their prisoners. and yes we should treat them nicely. Why is it that we must sink to their level? Because of people like you.
BTW its rumor.
Hot and cold temperatures is a torture.... putting someone in the hotbox or keeping them in a cold cell without appropriate clothes is cruel.
How can you actually say Gitmo is fine when even the UN wants it shut down! They want to inspect it, but as usual is alright for us to deny them but its not alright for other countries to deny us. Typical.
Also... they are not happy at the moment.... they are being told they do not have the same rights as others... as America has always done... first to indians (land)... then to blacks (slavery).... now to gays.
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Why the hell should we do what the UN wants??? Its corruption is worse then our government's and even our great George Washington warned about other countries.
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Why the hell should we do what the UN wants??? Its corruption is worse then our government's and even our great George Washington warned about other countries.
Hmmm thats very hypocritical of the government to only follow the UN decree when it best suits them... UN orders Iraq to be investigated... We attack because they denied us to classified areas... UN orders Gitmo to be investigated... we deny them to specific areas... You just commited Doublethink. Case closed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-03-01 at 16:00:30
Nobody in the UN is going to opose us.
They didn't do anything about Sadam breaking 40 laws becasue they were afraid of war and didn't want to ruin peace. Same thing with World War 2, nobody stopped Hitler for some time (When he invaded other countries and broke the Versailes Treaty) because they didn't want another war even though they knew what he was doing. But, Bush finally went and stopped him.
They didn't do anything about Sadam breaking 40 laws becasue they were afraid of war and didn't want to ruin peace. Same thing with World War 2, nobody stopped Hitler for some time (When he invaded other countries and broke the Versailes Treaty) because they didn't want another war even though they knew what he was doing. But, Bush finally went and stopped him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-03-01 at 16:53:42
When you witness the horrors of war firsthand, you won't be singing the same tune.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-02 at 15:58:26
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Nobody in the UN is going to opose us.
They didn't do anything about Sadam breaking 40 laws becasue they were afraid of war and didn't want to ruin peace. Same thing with World War 2, nobody stopped Hitler for some time (When he invaded other countries and broke the Versailes Treaty) because they didn't want another war even though they knew what he was doing. But, Bush finally went and stopped him.
They didn't do anything about Sadam breaking 40 laws becasue they were afraid of war and didn't want to ruin peace. Same thing with World War 2, nobody stopped Hitler for some time (When he invaded other countries and broke the Versailes Treaty) because they didn't want another war even though they knew what he was doing. But, Bush finally went and stopped him.
Bush went and stopped him... and ended up bringing over 30,000 (or 300,000... need to check that death toll again..) civilian casualites and 2,000 US soldier casualties to the table... great job... The war on Terror is an unwinnable war.. you can NEVER defeat terrorism so long as you have human emotions.
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When you witness the horrors of war firsthand, you won't be singing the same tune.
Uh yes I will, I've been to a war hospital, I've seen the pictures, I've seen the damage, I've seen the execution videos. I will still have the same tune in my head. Bet someone said that to the soldiers of the revolutionary war, so don't say it to me.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
(watch chris say "its not a credible source... just because it goes against his master Bush.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-03 at 02:10:08
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Hmmm thats very hypocritical of the government to only follow the UN decree when it best suits them... UN orders Iraq to be investigated... We attack because they denied us to classified areas... UN orders Gitmo to be investigated... we deny them to specific areas... You just commited Doublethink. Case closed.
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I doublethink? Or the US government. Good job smart one.
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Bush went and stopped him... and ended up bringing over 30,000 (or 300,000... need to check that death toll again..) civilian casualites and 2,000 US soldier casualties to the table... great job... The war on Terror is an unwinnable war.. you can NEVER defeat terrorism so long as you have human emotions.
Uh yes I will, I've been to a war hospital, I've seen the pictures, I've seen the damage, I've seen the execution videos. I will still have the same tune in my head. Bet someone said that to the soldiers of the revolutionary war, so don't say it to me.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
(watch chris say "its not a credible source... just because it goes against his master Bush.)
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Uh yes I will, I've been to a war hospital, I've seen the pictures, I've seen the damage, I've seen the execution videos. I will still have the same tune in my head. Bet someone said that to the soldiers of the revolutionary war, so don't say it to me.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
(watch chris say "its not a credible source... just because it goes against his master Bush.)
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Are you stupid? I have used that site before for MY own arguements. LOL I have it in my favorites list so I can moniter it. Euro, you get more humorous by the day.
Euro, America does WHAT it wants WHEN it wants when it has to do with our security. Grow up and understand this concept, it may not be politically correct, oh boo hoo, but it is what must be done.
Also Euro what do you want us to do? Submit to terrorist's demands? Not stand and fight? Boy Im glad your not my leader if you think a war on terrorism is unwinnable. "Oh crap, theres no way my most powerful country in the world can win against a few thousand terrorists, we should surrender/give in!"
No, thats a cowards way out. Forget about the he said/she said crap of the past. The time is now, even with your logic about not being able to win this war, I would still die trying, becuase I know my death buys YOU time to be safe.
All death is certian, but I want the time before YOUR death to be happy.
The terrorists are fighting a losing war, read about soldiers, read about military experts, read about terrorism experts, talk to soldiers. I do, and what I keep hearing is the terrorist's tactics are starting to change, they are begining to actually want to fight another day. They are starting to become unpoplar in many countries that use to support them. Their men are being captured or killed at very high rates. For them its more pychological now then ever before. The only way they were ever able to win was to inflict enough deaths upon American soldiers to cause people like Euro in America to pack up their balls and leave the war zone. Euro, its more evident now that we are staying the course, the terrorist's tactics have failed, which is why they now are shifting their attention on the Iraqi people themselfs, trying to spark a civil war.
Things have calmed down, even due to the hundreds of deaths resulting in an all most civil war. The next few days are crucial for the future of Iraq.
Euro this could probably be the 8th time I have said this and the first time this year, I DO NOT SUPPORT ALL OF BUSH'S policies. Get that into your bais liberal, ill-informed head.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-05 at 13:50:20
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I doublethink? Or the US government. Good job smart one.
I thought it mighty clear when I said YOU doublethink. Good job smart one. English is your friend.
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Are you stupid? I have used that site before for MY own arguements. LOL I have it in my favorites list so I can moniter it. Euro, you get more humorous by the day.
Euro, America does WHAT it wants WHEN it wants when it has to do with our security. Grow up and understand this concept, it may not be politically correct, oh boo hoo, but it is what must be done.
Also Euro what do you want us to do? Submit to terrorist's demands? Not stand and fight? Boy Im glad your not my leader if you think a war on terrorism is unwinnable. "Oh crap, theres no way my most powerful country in the world can win against a few thousand terrorists, we should surrender/give in!"
No, thats a cowards way out. Forget about the he said/she said crap of the past. The time is now, even with your logic about not being able to win this war, I would still die trying, becuase I know my death buys YOU time to be safe.
All death is certian, but I want the time before YOUR death to be happy.
The terrorists are fighting a losing war, read about soldiers, read about military experts, read about terrorism experts, talk to soldiers. I do, and what I keep hearing is the terrorist's tactics are starting to change, they are begining to actually want to fight another day. They are starting to become unpoplar in many countries that use to support them. Their men are being captured or killed at very high rates. For them its more pychological now then ever before. The only way they were ever able to win was to inflict enough deaths upon American soldiers to cause people like Euro in America to pack up their balls and leave the war zone. Euro, its more evident now that we are staying the course, the terrorist's tactics have failed, which is why they now are shifting their attention on the Iraqi people themselfs, trying to spark a civil war.
Things have calmed down, even due to the hundreds of deaths resulting in an all most civil war. The next few days are crucial for the future of Iraq.
Euro this could probably be the 8th time I have said this and the first time this year, I DO NOT SUPPORT ALL OF BUSH'S policies. Get that into your bais liberal, ill-informed head.
Euro, America does WHAT it wants WHEN it wants when it has to do with our security. Grow up and understand this concept, it may not be politically correct, oh boo hoo, but it is what must be done.
Also Euro what do you want us to do? Submit to terrorist's demands? Not stand and fight? Boy Im glad your not my leader if you think a war on terrorism is unwinnable. "Oh crap, theres no way my most powerful country in the world can win against a few thousand terrorists, we should surrender/give in!"
No, thats a cowards way out. Forget about the he said/she said crap of the past. The time is now, even with your logic about not being able to win this war, I would still die trying, becuase I know my death buys YOU time to be safe.
All death is certian, but I want the time before YOUR death to be happy.
The terrorists are fighting a losing war, read about soldiers, read about military experts, read about terrorism experts, talk to soldiers. I do, and what I keep hearing is the terrorist's tactics are starting to change, they are begining to actually want to fight another day. They are starting to become unpoplar in many countries that use to support them. Their men are being captured or killed at very high rates. For them its more pychological now then ever before. The only way they were ever able to win was to inflict enough deaths upon American soldiers to cause people like Euro in America to pack up their balls and leave the war zone. Euro, its more evident now that we are staying the course, the terrorist's tactics have failed, which is why they now are shifting their attention on the Iraqi people themselfs, trying to spark a civil war.
Things have calmed down, even due to the hundreds of deaths resulting in an all most civil war. The next few days are crucial for the future of Iraq.
Euro this could probably be the 8th time I have said this and the first time this year, I DO NOT SUPPORT ALL OF BUSH'S policies. Get that into your bais liberal, ill-informed head.
Sorry I don't moniter every post you make to see if you have used it... maybe I should place harrassment charges on you... since you seem to do that to me..
For one America does what it wants not because of security you moron but because it suits the corporate powers to make money. Find me one war that doesn't in some way have to do with gaining money... the gula.
The terrorists cannot be defeated. you have been conned. They probably have more recruits yearly then the US Army does. Plus they obviously can use a $12 bomb to blow up a million dollar tank. But to you, the wars going fine... If people are dying, their tactics have not failed and we are losing. 4 years in and the killing... i'm sorry... the liberating continues. Mission acomplished I assume.
I'm glad YOUR NOT leader if you think you can win. Even Robert E. Lee, a great man, knew when defeat was inevitable. Terrorism is undefeatable until you can kill human emotions.. oh trust me, their trying. Your blinder then a bat without its radar. You think that because some legislation has nice names, it must mean its helping us.
Patriot Act = puts down civil liberties.
Healthy Forests Initiative = Cutting down trees to "save" them.
Clear Skies Initiative = Says higher amounts of pollution is OK.
Don't believe me... read them for yourself.
You know what? Take it from someone more knowledgable then you and I:
Yes it's old, but still holds true.
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WHEN BUSH TOOK OVER as president I used to crack jokes about what insane policy he would attempt to enact next. My jokes were ridiculously far-fetched! For example, "I bet Bush will pass off a super huge tax cut for the rich by saying he's endorsing a tax cut for American families." Ha ha! That one was funny! Then there was, "Because of the California wildfires, I bet Bush says that to save forests we have to cut them down!" That one got a lot of laughs too. But the humdinger was, "Watch Bush say that Iraq has nuclear weapons and use that as an excuse to invade Iraq for its oil!" The absurdity of that one killed people, until, as it turns out, every ludicrous joke I made came true! Feeling horrified that my 'prediction jokes' were somehow singularly responsible for jinxing America and the world I quit making jokes. After convincing myself that I had not jinxed anything, wasn't responsible for every horrible act committed by the Bush Regime, I began thinking, "How is Bush hoodwinking the public into buying obvious bullshiz that I was joking about only months ago?" After some contemplation I've come to a few conclusions.
The Bush Regime assigns friendly names to policies that have very unfriendly results for the USA and the world. Their masterful use of Orwellian 'doublespeak' lets them put a benevolent, positive, upbeat spin on policies that are anything but. They don't call cutting down the forest to 'save' it "Excuse To Let Massive International Logging Conglomerates Cut Down Endangered Forests Act". No, no. That would be too reality based (sort of like the show COPS!). Instead, they name it something happy, like Healthy Forests Initiative. That doesn't sound too destructive, right? Hell, put that way I want to be the first guy to say "TIMBER!" Cut down those pesky trees because I love camping! How about the Clear Skies Initiative? What could be wrong with clear skies? Well, nothing, except that clean air and clear skies aren't what this piece of legislation is about. Clear Skies makes higher levels of pollution okay, including mercury and greenhouse gases! Maybe I've spent too much time playing Reality-Land, but allowing more pollution is not going to keep our air clean and breathable.
And the Bush Regime didn't call the invasion of Iraq "Operation Line The Pockets Of Our Buddies At Every Weapons Manufacturer And Every Multi-National Corporation Who Gave Money To The Bush Campaign (Including wang Cheney's Company Who Pays Cheney To This Very Day)". No, no! First they scare the fark out of us with endless references to Saddam "Insane" and his non-existent WMDs, and then they call the invasion which violated International and US Constitutional Law "Operation Iraqi Freedom”. Red, White, and Brainwashed Americans hear this misinformation repeated day after day, month after month, and think, "I want safety! If you can give me safety AND set some oppressed people free, I'm for it! If Saddam is gonna nuke our ass, nuke 'em first! Besides, doesn't that oil under their sand belong to us anyway?"
Think my explanations and evaluations are too simple? I thought so too until my outrageous jokes started coming true! This revelation led me to think, "Are the people of the USA actually voting for what they believe in?" So, I did some research and what I found is that a majority of US citizens believe in progressive, liberal principles! Huh? It's true... public opinion polls show that a whopping 86% of Americans believe that there needs to be stricter laws and regulations to protect the environment; 77% think it is more important to maintain government services such as Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid than to cut taxes; 72% of Americans favor stricter laws related to the control of handguns; 63% of Americans favor affirmative action programs designed to help blacks, women, and other minorities get better jobs and education; 62% don't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned by the Supreme Court; and 62% would prefer a universal health insurance program run by the government and financed by taxpayers
So we've got a population that wants, by almost a two-thirds majority or more, clean air, land, and water; believes in a woman's right to choose; doesn't want tax cuts if they will hurt Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and a Regime that wants to pollute like crazy, tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies, and cut or end programs like Social Security, Federal Student Loans, and Affirmative Action while running up a huge deficit because of tax cuts for rich people! Is anyone else feeling like their head is going to explode?
If this is the case, why are so many right-wing politicians holding public office and defining what American culture is when a majority of US citizens support progressive, liberal, left-wing values? I hate to say it because it's the answer no one wants to hear, but we have to pay less attention to the MARKETING that these right-wing mother, father, brother, and sister farkers are inundating us with, and more attention to their PRODUCT, which is what their ideas and schemes are actually doing! If a couple hundred more people had done this in the first place this comp wouldn't exist, because it would have been much harder for these farkers to steal the election in the first place! It's up to YOU to know who actually supports the ideas YOU support instead of believing misleading but effective right-wing advertising campaigns that would make any corporation drool (think how many pairs of sneakers they could sell if their ads were half as effective!). You don't have to become a political junkie or stop doing the things you enjoy... just go ever-so-slightly out of your way once in a while to find out what is going on, ideally from a non-mainstream US media source. There's a different side to the story only a few clicks away, starting at the web sites of two British newspapers that are famous for including facts that US papers somehow fail to report. Check out The Guardian & The Independent at www.guardian.co.uk and www.independent.co.uk. And then you need to talk to people about this stuff and get involved!
Want news programs you can listen to? Democracy NOW! (www.democracynow.org) and Flash Points (www.flashpoints.net) are two of the best news programs in the world—period! Good print sites are
www.commondreams.org, www.znet.org, www.undergroundactionalliance.org, and www.alternet.org.
I want to leave you with the following thoughts... Is there a major difference between the mainstream American left and right wing parties? In my opinion, regarding a few important issues, such as a woman's right to choose, yes; but overall, no. Is removing George Bush the solution to all of our problems? No, BUT IT IS A FIRST STEP, AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO STUMBLE!!! Four more years of a Bush Regime that does not face the constraint of a re-election contest means that those scum bags will do every evil and farked up thing I can think to make a joke about, including stacking the Supreme Court with reactionary, back-sliding, uber-conservatives who don't think you have a right to anything (and abortion rights will be first on their list), re-instating the draft (the legislation has already been introduced!!!), invading North Korea and Iran, even MORE tax cuts for the rich, and the end of all important environmental regulation and social programs. Furthermore, I don't know if you ever travel outside of the USA, but I do, and I'm getting tired of hearing that the man in the White House is a joke and a lunatic.
I don't care if you like me or my band. Don't do it for me, do it for the world, your family, yourself! And for fark's sake, PLEASE go to www.punkvoter.com and register as a member, because the more registered members Punk Voter can prove it has, the more influence Punk Voter has in Washington DC with politicians who have the ability to introduce and back important progressive legislation.
Finally, if you're not old enough to vote in 2004, it doesn't mean you won't be able to vote forever! Punk Voter is building a coalition for the future so get involved now. WE NEED YOU!
That said, thanks for your time spent reading this intro. Now go drink a beer, a soy milk, or whatever you drink, and rock to this awesome comp!
Peace-Love-Unity, Justin Sane XOXO
The Bush Regime assigns friendly names to policies that have very unfriendly results for the USA and the world. Their masterful use of Orwellian 'doublespeak' lets them put a benevolent, positive, upbeat spin on policies that are anything but. They don't call cutting down the forest to 'save' it "Excuse To Let Massive International Logging Conglomerates Cut Down Endangered Forests Act". No, no. That would be too reality based (sort of like the show COPS!). Instead, they name it something happy, like Healthy Forests Initiative. That doesn't sound too destructive, right? Hell, put that way I want to be the first guy to say "TIMBER!" Cut down those pesky trees because I love camping! How about the Clear Skies Initiative? What could be wrong with clear skies? Well, nothing, except that clean air and clear skies aren't what this piece of legislation is about. Clear Skies makes higher levels of pollution okay, including mercury and greenhouse gases! Maybe I've spent too much time playing Reality-Land, but allowing more pollution is not going to keep our air clean and breathable.
And the Bush Regime didn't call the invasion of Iraq "Operation Line The Pockets Of Our Buddies At Every Weapons Manufacturer And Every Multi-National Corporation Who Gave Money To The Bush Campaign (Including wang Cheney's Company Who Pays Cheney To This Very Day)". No, no! First they scare the fark out of us with endless references to Saddam "Insane" and his non-existent WMDs, and then they call the invasion which violated International and US Constitutional Law "Operation Iraqi Freedom”. Red, White, and Brainwashed Americans hear this misinformation repeated day after day, month after month, and think, "I want safety! If you can give me safety AND set some oppressed people free, I'm for it! If Saddam is gonna nuke our ass, nuke 'em first! Besides, doesn't that oil under their sand belong to us anyway?"
Think my explanations and evaluations are too simple? I thought so too until my outrageous jokes started coming true! This revelation led me to think, "Are the people of the USA actually voting for what they believe in?" So, I did some research and what I found is that a majority of US citizens believe in progressive, liberal principles! Huh? It's true... public opinion polls show that a whopping 86% of Americans believe that there needs to be stricter laws and regulations to protect the environment; 77% think it is more important to maintain government services such as Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid than to cut taxes; 72% of Americans favor stricter laws related to the control of handguns; 63% of Americans favor affirmative action programs designed to help blacks, women, and other minorities get better jobs and education; 62% don't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned by the Supreme Court; and 62% would prefer a universal health insurance program run by the government and financed by taxpayers
So we've got a population that wants, by almost a two-thirds majority or more, clean air, land, and water; believes in a woman's right to choose; doesn't want tax cuts if they will hurt Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and a Regime that wants to pollute like crazy, tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies, and cut or end programs like Social Security, Federal Student Loans, and Affirmative Action while running up a huge deficit because of tax cuts for rich people! Is anyone else feeling like their head is going to explode?
If this is the case, why are so many right-wing politicians holding public office and defining what American culture is when a majority of US citizens support progressive, liberal, left-wing values? I hate to say it because it's the answer no one wants to hear, but we have to pay less attention to the MARKETING that these right-wing mother, father, brother, and sister farkers are inundating us with, and more attention to their PRODUCT, which is what their ideas and schemes are actually doing! If a couple hundred more people had done this in the first place this comp wouldn't exist, because it would have been much harder for these farkers to steal the election in the first place! It's up to YOU to know who actually supports the ideas YOU support instead of believing misleading but effective right-wing advertising campaigns that would make any corporation drool (think how many pairs of sneakers they could sell if their ads were half as effective!). You don't have to become a political junkie or stop doing the things you enjoy... just go ever-so-slightly out of your way once in a while to find out what is going on, ideally from a non-mainstream US media source. There's a different side to the story only a few clicks away, starting at the web sites of two British newspapers that are famous for including facts that US papers somehow fail to report. Check out The Guardian & The Independent at www.guardian.co.uk and www.independent.co.uk. And then you need to talk to people about this stuff and get involved!
Want news programs you can listen to? Democracy NOW! (www.democracynow.org) and Flash Points (www.flashpoints.net) are two of the best news programs in the world—period! Good print sites are
www.commondreams.org, www.znet.org, www.undergroundactionalliance.org, and www.alternet.org.
I want to leave you with the following thoughts... Is there a major difference between the mainstream American left and right wing parties? In my opinion, regarding a few important issues, such as a woman's right to choose, yes; but overall, no. Is removing George Bush the solution to all of our problems? No, BUT IT IS A FIRST STEP, AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO STUMBLE!!! Four more years of a Bush Regime that does not face the constraint of a re-election contest means that those scum bags will do every evil and farked up thing I can think to make a joke about, including stacking the Supreme Court with reactionary, back-sliding, uber-conservatives who don't think you have a right to anything (and abortion rights will be first on their list), re-instating the draft (the legislation has already been introduced!!!), invading North Korea and Iran, even MORE tax cuts for the rich, and the end of all important environmental regulation and social programs. Furthermore, I don't know if you ever travel outside of the USA, but I do, and I'm getting tired of hearing that the man in the White House is a joke and a lunatic.
I don't care if you like me or my band. Don't do it for me, do it for the world, your family, yourself! And for fark's sake, PLEASE go to www.punkvoter.com and register as a member, because the more registered members Punk Voter can prove it has, the more influence Punk Voter has in Washington DC with politicians who have the ability to introduce and back important progressive legislation.
Finally, if you're not old enough to vote in 2004, it doesn't mean you won't be able to vote forever! Punk Voter is building a coalition for the future so get involved now. WE NEED YOU!
That said, thanks for your time spent reading this intro. Now go drink a beer, a soy milk, or whatever you drink, and rock to this awesome comp!
Peace-Love-Unity, Justin Sane XOXO
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5ePvf8rG0I
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Get that into your bais liberal, ill-informed head.
BTW, I'm not ill-informed, you are because you haven't read these acts yourself, you take news from other people and don't do your OWN research. AND Your also biased so don't farking call me it so long as you are also. Fool.
ADDITION:
3-5-06
Also, As I would like to point out again. the downing Street Memo shows how illegal the war is. That the facts and intelligence was being fixed around the policy. There have been many websites made about it, the memo is there for you to read, you just need to take that extra step and actually read it. The governments of the US and UK have said that its genuine but have not released further information as to what high-level UK Government meeting it was talking about. I urge every patriot to read it.
I forgot what president said this (I will look.) but:
"Every patriot must be ready to stand up and fight against his own government."
I believe theodore roosevelt said it but don't take my word on this.
BTW: I'm not liberal, I'm also not republican, I'm moderate. I'm sorry loving peace and thinking is what you and bush hate... http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/840
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-05 at 15:21:13
QUOTE(Euro @ Mar 5 2006, 10:50 AM)
I thought it mighty clear when I said YOU doublethink. Good job smart one. English is your friend.
Sorry I don't moniter every post you make to see if you have used it... maybe I should place harrassment charges on you... since you seem to do that to me..
For one America does what it wants not because of security you moron but because it suits the corporate powers to make money. Find me one war that doesn't in some way have to do with gaining money... the gula.
The terrorists cannot be defeated. you have been conned. They probably have more recruits yearly then the US Army does. Plus they obviously can use a $12 bomb to blow up a million dollar tank. But to you, the wars going fine... If people are dying, their tactics have not failed and we are losing. 4 years in and the killing... i'm sorry... the liberating continues. Mission acomplished I assume.
I'm glad YOUR NOT leader if you think you can win. Even Robert E. Lee, a great man, knew when defeat was inevitable. Terrorism is undefeatable until you can kill human emotions.. oh trust me, their trying. Your blinder then a bat without its radar. You think that because some legislation has nice names, it must mean its helping us.
Patriot Act = puts down civil liberties.
Healthy Forests Initiative = Cutting down trees to "save" them.
Clear Skies Initiative = Says higher amounts of pollution is OK.
Don't believe me... read them for yourself.
You know what? Take it from someone more knowledgable then you and I:
Yes it's old, but still holds true.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5ePvf8rG0I
BTW, I'm not ill-informed, you are because you haven't read these acts yourself, you take news from other people and don't do your OWN research. AND Your also biased so don't farking call me it so long as you are also. Fool.
ADDITION:
3-5-06
Also, As I would like to point out again. the downing Street Memo shows how illegal the war is. That the facts and intelligence was being fixed around the policy. There have been many websites made about it, the memo is there for you to read, you just need to take that extra step and actually read it. The governments of the US and UK have said that its genuine but have not released further information as to what high-level UK Government meeting it was talking about. I urge every patriot to read it.
I forgot what president said this (I will look.) but:
"Every patriot must be ready to stand up and fight against his own government."
I believe theodore roosevelt said it but don't take my word on this.
BTW: I'm not liberal, I'm also not republican, I'm moderate. I'm sorry loving peace and thinking is what you and bush hate... http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/840
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Sorry I don't moniter every post you make to see if you have used it... maybe I should place harrassment charges on you... since you seem to do that to me..
For one America does what it wants not because of security you moron but because it suits the corporate powers to make money. Find me one war that doesn't in some way have to do with gaining money... the gula.
The terrorists cannot be defeated. you have been conned. They probably have more recruits yearly then the US Army does. Plus they obviously can use a $12 bomb to blow up a million dollar tank. But to you, the wars going fine... If people are dying, their tactics have not failed and we are losing. 4 years in and the killing... i'm sorry... the liberating continues. Mission acomplished I assume.
I'm glad YOUR NOT leader if you think you can win. Even Robert E. Lee, a great man, knew when defeat was inevitable. Terrorism is undefeatable until you can kill human emotions.. oh trust me, their trying. Your blinder then a bat without its radar. You think that because some legislation has nice names, it must mean its helping us.
Patriot Act = puts down civil liberties.
Healthy Forests Initiative = Cutting down trees to "save" them.
Clear Skies Initiative = Says higher amounts of pollution is OK.
Don't believe me... read them for yourself.
You know what? Take it from someone more knowledgable then you and I:
Yes it's old, but still holds true.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H5ePvf8rG0I
BTW, I'm not ill-informed, you are because you haven't read these acts yourself, you take news from other people and don't do your OWN research. AND Your also biased so don't farking call me it so long as you are also. Fool.
ADDITION:
3-5-06
Also, As I would like to point out again. the downing Street Memo shows how illegal the war is. That the facts and intelligence was being fixed around the policy. There have been many websites made about it, the memo is there for you to read, you just need to take that extra step and actually read it. The governments of the US and UK have said that its genuine but have not released further information as to what high-level UK Government meeting it was talking about. I urge every patriot to read it.
I forgot what president said this (I will look.) but:
"Every patriot must be ready to stand up and fight against his own government."
I believe theodore roosevelt said it but don't take my word on this.
BTW: I'm not liberal, I'm also not republican, I'm moderate. I'm sorry loving peace and thinking is what you and bush hate... http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/840
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This, everyone, is what I like to call a brainwashed sad individual.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-03-05 at 17:30:21
Good one... take exact;y what I said to you and "try" to turn it on me. Not working.
Lets see, you seem to have no more arguments against what I have said so you use things I have said.
Cheeze pwns you and you have no argument against him...
A cycle I believe. History does not repeat itself... man does.
You have absolutely zero argument against the fact the downing street memo defeated any and all arguments against the legality of the war (whether you support it or not) and that bush played us. We shouldn't be there and need to leave. I would rather sacrifice the "honor" if we had any to begin with of America then the lives of those innocents.
You, on the otherhand, feel it is alright to torture HUMAN BEINGS so long as we continue to call them "terrorists". You most likely believed Clinton should of been impeached for getting a blowjob, but were quick to jomp up and say "whatever Cheney does in his private life is none of our business" (for shooting that guy.)
You are a natural born brainwashed Hypocrite. You get shown a video of people displaying their discontent with america's policies and call them the "angry minorities", but ya know what... when you add them together the minorities become the majority.
You must of failed at math.
You get spoonfed lies daily from your TV set and fail to check up on the truth and claimthat since Fox said it, it must be true. White House says Al-Jazeera got it wrong and the press-corpse is quick to jump on the bandwagon.
Typical.
Lets see, you seem to have no more arguments against what I have said so you use things I have said.
Cheeze pwns you and you have no argument against him...
A cycle I believe. History does not repeat itself... man does.
You have absolutely zero argument against the fact the downing street memo defeated any and all arguments against the legality of the war (whether you support it or not) and that bush played us. We shouldn't be there and need to leave. I would rather sacrifice the "honor" if we had any to begin with of America then the lives of those innocents.
You, on the otherhand, feel it is alright to torture HUMAN BEINGS so long as we continue to call them "terrorists". You most likely believed Clinton should of been impeached for getting a blowjob, but were quick to jomp up and say "whatever Cheney does in his private life is none of our business" (for shooting that guy.)
You are a natural born brainwashed Hypocrite. You get shown a video of people displaying their discontent with america's policies and call them the "angry minorities", but ya know what... when you add them together the minorities become the majority.
You must of failed at math.
You get spoonfed lies daily from your TV set and fail to check up on the truth and claimthat since Fox said it, it must be true. White House says Al-Jazeera got it wrong and the press-corpse is quick to jump on the bandwagon.
Typical.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-05 at 18:39:16
Haha Euro keep living in your own little world and you will turn out dead, trust me.
Euro, you still haven't told me what tortures we have done at Gitmo. You have told me about Abu G. which is in a WHOLE DIFFERENT COUNTRY, where those soldiers were brought to justice for it.
Are you blind? Clinton LIED ABOUT IT. I don't think he should have been impeached (another bais leftist radical assumption) Cheney on the other hand DID NOT.
You haven't told me YET how Cheeze pwns me. AND IM REPEATING THE SAME ARGUEMENT TO YOU OVER AND OVER, but it doesn't get through your thick leftist bais drone head.
How? HOW DOES IT???
Show me, SHOW ME where Fox has reported lies and did not correct themselfs.
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You, on the otherhand, feel it is alright to torture HUMAN BEINGS so long as we continue to call them "terrorists". You most likely believed Clinton should of been impeached for getting a blowjob, but were quick to jomp up and say "whatever Cheney does in his private life is none of our business" (for shooting that guy.)
Euro, you still haven't told me what tortures we have done at Gitmo. You have told me about Abu G. which is in a WHOLE DIFFERENT COUNTRY, where those soldiers were brought to justice for it.
Are you blind? Clinton LIED ABOUT IT. I don't think he should have been impeached (another bais leftist radical assumption) Cheney on the other hand DID NOT.
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Lets see, you seem to have no more arguments against what I have said so you use things I have said.
Cheeze pwns you and you have no argument against him...
Cheeze pwns you and you have no argument against him...
You haven't told me YET how Cheeze pwns me. AND IM REPEATING THE SAME ARGUEMENT TO YOU OVER AND OVER, but it doesn't get through your thick leftist bais drone head.
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You have absolutely zero argument against the fact the downing street memo defeated any and all arguments against the legality of the war (whether you support it or not) and that bush played us. We shouldn't be there and need to leave. I would rather sacrifice the "honor" if we had any to begin with of America then the lives of those innocents
How? HOW DOES IT???
QUOTE
You get spoonfed lies daily from your TV set and fail to check up on the truth and claimthat since Fox said it, it must be true.
Show me, SHOW ME where Fox has reported lies and did not correct themselfs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2006-03-05 at 21:32:54
I don't want to get too much in this, as it usually makes me nervous to read the reponses..
However, I have to drop in a few words.
"Terrorism", What is it? Are they people who carry bombs on their back? Which is what the media show us. Are they people with different political beliefs? Who are those people considered part of "Terrorism"? As far as we know, the Americans invented the word "Terrorism". Implying something emanates terror. Seeing as it is an American word from origin, we can only presume these so called "Terrorists" produce terror from the American perspective point of view.
So whenever you mention Terrorists, think about who the terrorists really are? America labels them as such. So whenever you hear the word, it is always the American version of it. Meaning, they decide who is a terrorist and what terrorism is. America is a right wing country. Maybe particular left wings are considered terrorists? Maybe people who have a popular status among the crowds for elections. While their political beliefs are different than the American interest.
Every time you mention the word Terrorism to label a group of people, you are not looking at it from 2 different points of views. Since "Terrorists" are what Americans consider them to be so. While it may not be the exact truth.
However, I have to drop in a few words.
"Terrorism", What is it? Are they people who carry bombs on their back? Which is what the media show us. Are they people with different political beliefs? Who are those people considered part of "Terrorism"? As far as we know, the Americans invented the word "Terrorism". Implying something emanates terror. Seeing as it is an American word from origin, we can only presume these so called "Terrorists" produce terror from the American perspective point of view.
So whenever you mention Terrorists, think about who the terrorists really are? America labels them as such. So whenever you hear the word, it is always the American version of it. Meaning, they decide who is a terrorist and what terrorism is. America is a right wing country. Maybe particular left wings are considered terrorists? Maybe people who have a popular status among the crowds for elections. While their political beliefs are different than the American interest.
Every time you mention the word Terrorism to label a group of people, you are not looking at it from 2 different points of views. Since "Terrorists" are what Americans consider them to be so. While it may not be the exact truth.