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Heimdal the unfortunate thing is that once people were respected for making protection. Now that unprotection came out Legacy Weapon screwed himself. Who would respect someone for keeping protection alive for several years if they loved unprotection? Who would respect someone for unprotectors when he kept protection alive for several years?


Yoshi there are more than 100-200 members active here. In fact 322 members were online today.

I can't believe there are still people sucking up.

All of Yoshi's arguments have been nullified. So what does he do? Like any bad debater, he repeats himself. Stop it. Learn something. Come back when you're able to act your age.

I'd like to point out that the whole "controversy" only happened when Yoshi came.

Protection isn't good, deal with it.

Also, a more Mediawiki-esque logo.

Well said indeed CheeZe.

The funny thing is everyone seems to fogot this that is on Yoshi's side.

Which clearly shows why a SEN Wiki was made. Just because Moose doesn't support (U) doesn't mean SEN doesn't have the right to have a non-(U) based Wiki.

And its quite evident that this has worked.


I know there isn't. I'm still attached to a site that I spent two years on working on and raising. I just can't believe it would come to something like this. It was only a few weeks ago some of the same people were debating to me about how protection is necessary to keep author credits on and yet they completely rip off of LWs idea and run it without him. He should of been the one to bring it up and support it.


Who cares. It's like every other topic, never on subject.

And it worked for you too, right?

Proof that Yoshi doesn't care what you say and will repeat himself for the 5th time.

If all you think it takes to run a site is hitting delete and ban buttons, you are gravely mistaken.


Proof that Yoshi doesn't care about you and will say what he wants.

I guess the question is: why does OSMap even need to come up in this discussion? Just because LW did something potentially harmful to the mapping community doesn't mean that everything he does is bad. I applaud his efforts to create a wiki. The only question now is what to do with the two wikis.

Oh, and for the people that are having trouble creating new pages on the SEN wiki (I did too): just type the name of the article you want to create in the search box, and then there will be a link to create that page. Moose/cheeze/whoever is in charge of this thing: you should probably put these instructions on the front page.

Make sure to put [[Category]] tags on everything too...

Not a big fan of open source anymore, eh?

Moose please read my last post a few posts ago. You will be "Enlightened" of the suject of this discussion.

And Moose has done a good job of doing the things other than pressing the delete and ban buttons.

This is more about my disgruntlement about LWs lack of involvement when it was him who pushed so hard for it.


A part of open source being ethical and giving credits to those who deserve it, genius.

Who exactly would that be?

Keep in mind that SEN's Wiki is not just about MAP making. There's also modding, melee, and everything else StarCraft in addition to UMS creation.

Its still mostly UMS.
Still, it would be cool if the SEN wiki absorbed SCU

Also, I don't see me taking credit for anything on the Wiki besides setting it up.

In case everyone forgot, LegacyWeapon hasn't actually posted in this thread.

I don't think it's a matter of taking credit, more of not giving credit where it is due.

OK so this makes things different how? LW wanted to make a wiki here. He could say its a wiki for cake and it'd still be an idea that he was pushing for. All you did was add a section or two to his idea, big whoop, its still his thing that he was pushing for.

Yet, we were discussing the other day how you wouldn't like anyone else to edit YOUR maps, even WITH your credits, yet you edit HIS things WITHOUT his permission. Real good stuff.

Should KDE not exist because it was taking an idea from GNOME and trying to surpass it?

Actually, I have a question. Since wiki's are open source, why don't we just take away all credit from everyone?

The general idea behind a Wiki is that nobody gets credit, and you know that when you create stuff, unlike with mapping. You don't see "written by x" anywhere on Wikipedia.

You miss my point. LW was pushing to do this wiki thing. The entire time you were saying know because "you were the man". All of a sudden a very short time passes after he's fired, and you all of a sudden have a change of mind that 'wow this is a great idea everyone on sen loves it and is suggesting it but lw'. You're doing it only to spite him because he made something that you don't like.

It's like a guy has a million dollar idea, takes it to a company, the company says "no", he keeps pushing for it, and instead this company takes his idea and does whatever THEY want with it while leaving the guy with nothing. It's pretty damn low.

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