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I like to be surrounded by absolutely non believers who have real minds and not surrounded by ludicrous creation theory and its ballistic force beliefs. The "creation" thing. It is a parable. A day mentioned in that text maybe a billion years. You never know. People back then did not know how to explain things in a accurate way. They had no idea what a billion year was and they have absolute no idea what a world looked like.
"Are religion tolerant?" Yes they are, and if you think about it; all the laws you see are based off of religion and its moral codes. If it weren't for religion; today I'd find rape and prostitution legal and no child rights at all.

If you consider religious leaders calling Jews the devil on a regular basis and the country's basing their actions on these calls by religious leaders to be political, then yes, it is "political"...

Personally, I would say that's pretty damn religiously motivated, regardless of whether the religion was correctly interpreted or not...



Quite honestly, judging from your words, it seems you lack quite a bit of information on the conflict, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't make such generalizations off the cuff, else this thread will quickly turn into an 'israel vs palestine' one... =)

I get along with muslims and jews. I would feel sorry if their souls were not saved. I do not hold anything against anyone for their religion though.

[quote]Where? I just said you were acting like a victim, intentionally or not.[/quote]

Ah, how come you make assumptions about me, then you tell me not to make assumptions about you? (see later in post)

[quote]Where did I censor you?[/quote]

I remmember that thread where you said I was censoring you.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=473391

Yep. You freaking mean person, I still can't believe you'd have the lunacy to say that.

[quote]I opened this so that other people would talk about the issue I brought up, not whether I like muslims or not. Not how bad Christianity is etc
This isn't whether I dislike muslims or not. Please note: Not liking something, and being intolerant to that thing, are too very different things. I can not like baseball, and/or I can want it banned. See the difference?[/quote]

Dislike is the opposite of like. Dislike does not mean "not like", it means "anti-like", or rather, a lite version of hate. I remmember you supported planting surveillance cameras in mosques but not churches. What the hell?

[quote]Again this debate is not about ME. It doesn't matter whether I like Islam or not. To clear things up with YOU here is where I stand:
I don't hate Islam.
Im curious about Islam.
I feel there are some basic things wrong with Islam.
I extremely hate the way governments in the middle east treat their people and women and jews.
I support Israel, which doesn't mean I don't see the muslim's point of view on the subject.
At times I get very frustrated with the way people act in the middle east and how many people abroad support them.[/quote]

It is, infact, about all of us. If you get involved in this debate, we debate your views, and in another sense, you. The way that governments in the middle east treat their people is not related to their religion, it's related to their culture. They use religion to justify it, sure, but that doesn't mean that's what the religion preaches.

Sure, I support Israel, too.

[qupte]Clear things up?
Don't tell me what I understand or don't understand. And sadly, YES, people can generalize and do generalize Islam everyday. It can be done effectively too. Which is sad.
Where? Yea, thought so. Calm down...[/quote]

Woah. WOAH. You tell me that I'm trying to play myself as a victim, but then, you try and stop me from telling you that you only seem to not understand? I'm not even saying you don't understand it. I'm saying your appearing to not understand it. crap man. So you tell me not to make assumptions about you, when you've made assumptions about me. Woah.

Where'd you generalize? When you freaking applied some quote from the Koran and then applied it to the whole of Islam and all Muslim people. Yeah, I think that might be generalization.

[quote]Although one extreme is making their point with a bang.[/quote]

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=473391

Yep, you.

[quote=Snake)Ling,Nov 9 2006, 04:45 PM]
Ah, how come you make assumptions about me, then you tell me not to make assumptions about you? (see later in post)
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It wasn't as assumption, it was a fact...

[quote=Snake)Ling,Nov 9 2006, 04:45 PM]
I remmember that thread where you said I was censoring you.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=473391
Yep. You freaking mean person, I still can't believe you'd have the lunacy to say that.
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I wouldn't be calling out anyone that their speech was lunacy if I said this:
[quote=Snake)Ling]
Bullshiz and go fark yourself.
YOU SHUT THE fark UP, AND GET YOUR REPUBLICAN BULLshiz OUT OF AMERICA, farkING MURDEROUS NUT.
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yup...
And you also talked about Priests (earlier post)

[quote=Snake)Ling,Nov 9 2006, 04:45 PM]
Dislike is the opposite of like. Dislike does not mean "not like", it means "anti-like", or rather, a lite version of hate. I remmember you supported planting surveillance cameras in mosques but not churches. What the hell?
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[quote=THEDaddy0420]
I for one do not agree with the move[/quote]
let the lies roll on in....


[quote=Snake)Ling,Nov 9 2006, 04:45 PM]
It is, infact, about all of us. If you get involved in this debate, we debate your views, and in another sense, you.
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I still don't see the connection...
I started this topic to discuss Islam, not whether I like it. Do you think the weather channel reports the weather? Or if they like the weather or not?
See the difference?

[quote=Snake)Ling,Nov 9 2006, 04:45 PM]
The way that governments in the middle east treat their people is not related to their religion, it's related to their culture. They use religion to justify it, sure, but that doesn't mean that's what the religion preaches.

Sure, I support Israel, too.

[quote=Snake)Ling,Nov 9 2006, 04:45 PM]
[quote=THEDaddy]Clear things up?
Don't tell me what I understand or don't understand. And sadly, YES, people can generalize and do generalize Islam everyday. It can be done effectively too. Which is sad.
Where? Yea, thought so. Calm down...[/quote]
Where'd you generalize? When you freaking applied some quote from the Koran and then applied it to the whole of Islam and all Muslim people. Yeah, I think that might be generalization.
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=473391
Yep, you.
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I didn't ask where I generalized, I asked where I said this:

[quote=Snake)ling]
You calling all Muslims intolerant idiots who are ultra-violent and evil [/quote]

If you could find where I said that I will give you a million dollars.

Yep, I said that after you were supporting surveillance cameras in mosques. That's pretty insulting. I like the capabillity to freely practice religion in America, rather than be subject to spying when I pray to God.

Finally, the weather channel raises the point of whether the weather will be good or not, and thus, whether you will like it or not. Therefore, the weather channel is involved in whether people like the weather or not.

Next, your opinion of whether I play myself to be a victim or not is not a fact, it's an opinion. Thats right, your opinion is an opinion.

And finally, you applied your first post to all Muslims and all of Islam. That's where you're calling Muslims ultra-violent and evil.

Yes, it is politics. It is the only way these leaders can possibly get power over the masses, by using religion and twisting it with exagerated partial facts. Why do you think regimes like the talibans kept such an extremist facade and imposed so many things in Afghanistans? (Like the beard and covering women up) Because they wanted to have power over the population, and extremist interpretations of Islam, with a few far-fetched laws and things to do that are extrapolated from interpretations of interpretations of twistings of the Qu'ran are the ideal way to do that. It keeps the population unable to do anything, and some people are actually crazy enough to listen to these extremists.



Agree with this part of your sentence, but not the rest of it.

Did you even read my post. I stated i DID NOT support that move. But you seem to ignore that?

Snake, its not whether the people liked the weather or not, its whether the weather channel liked the weather or not. You seem to definatly not make that connection.... I was speaking as if I was the weather channel....

No Snake its pretty well documented, your a victem...

Your putting words in my mouth, which means that I could say based on ALL your posts that you, HATE me, HATE christianity, HATE the American government, and all the things YOU HATE are evil, murderous, raping, violent, did I say evil? things.
Now do you see THIS difference?
You don't seem to see alot of things...

Like many other people said in this thread, it's all about interpretations. If I'm a crazy dictator of a middle-eastern country where Islam is dominant, then I can use extremist interpretations to further my agenda. However, most Islamic people do not, and therefore I don't think it's an intolerant religion.

In fact, when Islam first started around 1400 years ago, it was actually an improvement in human rights, The pre-existing cultures were mostly racist and misogynistic. You could say that it hasn't progressed in the past 1400 years and it hasn't progressed, but I think it's the people who haven't progressed, not the religion.

Well first off, in that case, you believe that the nuts that preach that kind of stuff don't actually believe in it themselves, but simply preach it to control the populace? That's a pretty serious assertion to make...

Furthermore, how does this explain the cases of such religious leaders in places where they don't necessarily have "power" due to such statements, such as the recent Australian "high ranking religious leader"'s statements that claimed women are at fault if they are raped? Or the countless cases found in European countries and such...?




Well, at least part of the rest of my sentence asked you to not make such off the cuff generalizations, which was the entire point of my sentence, the rest of it being largely irrelevant if that part isn't addressed.

Do you not agree to that request?

On the contrary, it's obvious you've never been to school.


Good for you.


I think you're very experienced at taking things out of context. However, that isn't a single-player game.


Damn. According to this religion, people in hell will suffer a harsh doom.

And also, according to this religion, and at least one other religion, you can only follow one religion at a time, and if you don't follow their religion, you will go to hell.
Thus, EVERYONE will inevitably go to hell, and thanks to those darn Islams, those people in hell will suffer. DAMN. It's all the Islams' fault! Ya you've totally convinced me. And your post was not a flame AT ALL. Right...


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Your post amounted to: Nothing.

Azu or what ever your weird name is, don't post in here if you got nothing to add to the discussion.

(Also, Azu wtf? like who are you to say this? )

Wow, and you think MY name is weird?



This whole topic amounts to: Nothing. Except extreme intolerance for one particular religion, and failure to accept that your own religion is just as bad.

And you amount to this topic.

So, are we just going to flame each other or is this thread going somewhere?

haha Azu again, who are you to say anything in this topic? As of what I know, no one has yet made a topic discussing Islam like this. Where has any of what you said above been shown? Quote were I refuse to accept my own religion is just as bad...
If you can get a quote that I say that above, I will give you a million dollars



Im trying...

I think you misunderstood what I meant by Israel. I don't mean the Jews in general, or the population itself, but I mean the government of Israel. Maybe it's just a misunderstanding on both parts, but I hope this clarifies a little.

Nope, I understood what you said very well. You tried to push a not-universally-agreed-upon political stance of yours through a tangentially related topic, and since I don't want to spam this thread by responding to it which would clearly send it off-topic, I asked you to not make such off the cuff remarks.

No reply on the first part of my post? =)

You also flamed someone earlier on in the topic for proving that Christianity is just as bad. I don't remember which page that was on.

But ya, basically, you can't stand the fact that other religions are just as bad, and you can't stand it when people voice their disagreement towards you.

So actually, you're the one with no room to talk.

Haha, for the third time, who are you, or who do you think you are?
Who are you to come and tell me what I am or what I stand for?

Haha I flamed some one earlier BECAUSE, and ONLY BECAUSE they proved christianity was just as bad? yeah ok...

And since I don't think you noticed, there are a crap load of Christianity flaming threads, Im sorry, it was wrong of me to not want THIS thread to turn into one of those. No really I am sorry!

Okay. I'll forgive you this time.

yeah it was horrible of me to not want this to turn into a Christianity flaming thread!

Ask yourself that, then reflect on your posts. This isn't about Islam itself, it's the fact that you're putting the religion in a negative light when I doubt you've even read all of the Qur'an.
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Nah, that's not the horrible fault.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting a Christianity flaming thread.

The horrible fault is that you're trying to make it seem as if the Islam religion is somehow worse then other religions, and that you aren't accepting the obvious falseness of that even when numerous people have explained it to you in simple, easy to understand terms.

And you put in the topic description when your first post in it is an obvious flame at Islam and throws all context out the window..

How!?!? The purpose was to NOT talk about other religions. You have this thought in your head that Im out to get islam or something and its false man. Drop the shiz, this is a discussion about islam, not whether I like the religion or not.

I think though that this topic does prove a point. Its ok to bash Christianity on this forum ALL day long, but no!!!! Its terrible to discuss Islam in a negative manner. Oh no. Think about it....

I know christianity has not had the greatest track record, but this pretty has already been proven on these forums, no need to discuss it, but when some one like me starts up a dissucsion about islam and proves there are negative things about it, its suddenly horrible and "omg you just can't accept christianity is just as bad" which is insane and has NOTIHNG to do with this topic.

Why didn't you provide both sides of the case of tolerance in Islam?