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That is why the society needs to be reformed rigorously. Thats why they run campaigns like "drinking isn't cool."

What can we do to stop drinking or even get less people to do it?

Form a sovereign hegemonical government that will execute any person that will drink, taking away freedom and justice once and for all.

If we put the drinking age to 25. I guarantee that this would have an affect on almost all teens, I think that they would not think about drinking alcohol until later past high school.

I don't think raising the drinking age would do as much if you did not raise the tax on booze and raised the punishment.

Well, It would though because it would make them think that it is worse than it is now. Yes jacking the price up would slow it down, but they wouldnt worry too much about the price I dont think. Punishment would tough!

It's been tried, and it failed. Remember the Prohibition?

Now that you say that yes, I was mostly thinking of how the kids get it now, they get people that are older than 21 and they pay them to get it, and they dont care how much it is they just give them a crap load of money and say get as much as you can.

My freinds get their mom or dad to buy it and they are like 40 unless you completly make it illegal it would be near impossible to stop to kids. Even if you did make it illegal people would be moonshiners and our government now can deal with stuff like that easier than back in the day, but we still don't have the money to enforce such laws.

This is why a couple years ago they came out with the new law where if you got caught with kids in your house drinking then the owners of that house, the parents, get jail time or a major fine (both). This was a hope to get the kids parents cracking down on them, but the kids just kept the drinking idea away from their parents.

Yeah, but who is going to tell that the parent buys for the kids? If the kids got caught they would say the gave some stranger 20 bucks to buy it for them, and they would probably not drink with their parents so the parent would not usually get busted with them.

No, if the parents give the kids a place to drink, even if they say they knew about it or not. Just as if someone got hurt in the yard, the parents take the blame for it.

It truely is the parents fault in that case. No matter how bad your child misbehaves it is your own problem.

The law allows children to drink alcohol inside house with a gaurdian present. Thus, no legal wrong there.

Is this a joke, There is a 21 age for a reason. If the kids are inside a house this doesnt matter. Unless you live in some wierd town that desides not to follow the law or something.

They have a bunch of pious church going towns that have become dry and it works fine for them. I don't think they have towns were they allowed children to get drunk in there parents home though.

Sure definitions of addiction are ambiguous,
But regardless, to the average person, drinking isn't addictive (note I said average person).



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/addictive

As you can see from the definition, there's nothing psycological or physiologically attaching about alcohol. People don't wake up in the morning going: "omg I really need a drink right now!" However, cigarettes on the other hand, are addictive and it is possible to say: "omg I really need a smoke right now!"

I suppose you have a false sense of addictiveness.

Lackluster yearning for alcohol and drinking during a party with friends is not addiction. It's peer-pressure. Don't confuse addiction with peer-pressure. Maybe they think it's "hip" or something so they do it. But that would blame society.

Though I cannot deny that there are indeed some alcoholics in this world (who are usually middle aged and going through a midlife crisis and not teenagers); Alcohol usage is merely used to fill that hole in life that they cannot fill. Thus, alcohol isn't the addiction, their problems in life cause the "addiction."









I used to argue this, that alcohol was a drug, that it was a depressant. Until even my chemistry teachers separated drugs and alcohol. "Don't do drugs or alcohol." Why do they say them separately? It's because they are different in many ways and on terms of addictiveness and total cost of their negative effects. However, I don't deny that it is a depressant.

If depressants and stimulants are drugs then why is it that the caffene in soda and coffee are allowed even though they are stimulants? Why are they not deemed a drug? Should we ban stimulants too?

And the comment about "drinking until fainting." Been there too many times, im ashamed to admit.



You are a very contradictory person.





You keep assuming that teenagers are unable to control their drinking habits. If this is so, we would also have to assume that they are unable to even debate about a topic like this. If they can't control what comes into their mouths, they clearly can't grasp what comes out.




Alcohol isn't a drug. It wasn't meant to be. It was created as a tool to clean and disinfect. Being "drunk" is just the aftermath of consuming a good amount of it and the byproduct is depression.




http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/alcohol.shtml

There are many benefits to using alcohol as well. Notice the benefits when used correctly. Once again, it's the person that causes the negative effects. There's nothing wrong with alcohol.




http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alcohol

Never ONCE in this entire 4 page definition is alcohol termed as a drug. However, it is used IN certain drugs. Doesn't mean it, itself is a drug.




http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=depressant

Check out this definition of depressant. It's for MEDICAL or MEDICINAL use. I do not see anything negative about it's definition. Do you? (Other than the economically depressing #3 definition. But that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.)



Also as a note, anyone with worldy knowledge should know by now that age has nothing to do with it on both physical and mental capabilities. I've seen some people who were more physically and mentally developed than many of my friends older than me; and that says a lot since im already old...

Simply put, debating the 21 age limit is without-fruit. As age is too ambiguous to correctly judge someone's ability to intake alcohol.




Concluding, alcohol isn't bad, nor a truely deadly drug, it's the people that make it bad.



And as i've noticed. Almost every one of your guy's collective posts are biased. Try talking and understanding on an unbiased approach, you'll discover new light.

Maybe because they cant, it is a proven fact, this is why they have a drinking age. The law is there because the rest of the world doesnt think that they can handle themselves either, they arent ready until they are 21 or even older. If you have ever gone to a party you would see that they cant handle themselves. Brawls occur, people drink and drive. Most poeple over tha age of 21 would get a driver for them or stay there but kids dont understand that they arent invincible then they drive home. Most of the drivers stay alive but ther kill the car they ran into or their friends who are the passangers. Its all over the news, drunk kids driving.

We're taking on the term "average". And oh about the alcohol being a drug thing. It's basically about what your definition of a drug is. MY number one definition of a drug is a substance that is often addictive that effects central nervous system. MY number two definition of a drug is a chemical or substance that alters the way the body or the mind works.
- Alcohol fits that two definition. Prove my definitions wrong, many dictionaries have different definitions. But PROVE my definition wrong.

I agree but I believe more that alcohol is very addictive and it changes your thoughts. It alters your brain power to make decisions. Telling you to make the wrong decisions. No matter how old you are you can be very immature about drinking especially after too many drinks. You tend to be more mature and handle it better at an older age.

The best decision a person will ever make about alcohol, is never to drink it honestly.

You guys totally... completely... in full... missed my point for all of my arguments... v_v...

I guess this is topic is just something you have to wait until your mind and body are more mature to understand...



And Mp)7-7, next time quote the entire section, instead of just the part which you included (the part I noted by bolding).



Simply quoting a section of the entire whole allows people to "cheat the system" by making the person say something else or create a different meaning, and not take the entire thought that was originally intended by the person you are quoting.

In a sense, you were unable to argue my entire thought so you just snippet'ed a small portion of what I said and used the exact same response and argument you used over 4 times ago throughout this post, which was already debated.

You both debate in circles since you can't input more points.

I'll debate it anyway.



People get into brawls when drunk because of their already aggressive nature. Think of alcohol as simply, the key that unlocks the agressive tendancies that already exist. Alcohol doesn't create agression. It's not an agression inhibitor. Many of my friends are passive by nature and even if they got completely drunk; you would never be able to get them into a fight. You do know... that people still fight while not drunk right?... Alcohol and fighting just happens to be in the right place at the wrong times.

People under the age of 21 and over for that fact, drive home while drunk because they are immature and can't grasp the fact that they aren't invincible. However, as you drink more, you can futher judge your "drunk limit;" a term that simply means: "How many drinks it takes for me to get drunk." And by using smart judgement, they can actually drive home perfectly fine while intoxicated as long as they stay well under their personal drunk limit. Other people, just decide to "burn off" those shots by simply letting time do it's job. It's ~1 hour per 1 shot of alcohol. And also, as you mature your "drunk limit" you can actually feel your mind click towards point of unconsciousness.

Being drunk in a situation where you are forced into an accident or was not of your cause, is actually more beneficial to the driver surpisingly. Usually when people get into accidents, they "brace for impact." Their entire body stiffens up and leans backwards. Essentially it increases the amount of damage that can happen to their spine. It's like the chinese proverb "be one with the water." If you flow with the car, you will allow the car to absorb more of the impact than your body, while if you resist it, you will take more of the impact. Since you position your body in a way that absorbs the impact going forward, you lean back, and after the car makes an impact, your body flys backwards (whiplash), since you are already leaning backwards... you add a higher amount of force impact going backwards. Resulting in higher velocity and uptmost damage and most likely, severe damage to your spine resulting in paralysis or death. If you were drunk while the incident happened, you wouldn't know what hit you... and your body would stay more so limp than stiff. Saving your life... it's not a good way to think of drinking, but it's definitely interesting to know...

I've seen many stories where drunk people survive accidents where if they were unintoxicated, they would surely die.


Also, that age 21 thing you keep repeating.

In countries like Germany or Canada or many other countries, there is no age limit or rather a lower age limit for drinking of they have one. And suprisingly... the amount of people drunk and deaths caused by drinking is satistically LESS than contries that impose a drinking limit.

It's only human tendancy. If you tell someone not to do something, you will do it more.




This is your own personal bias, there's no evidence to back it.



This is also your own bias, there's no evidence to back it. Note you said often. Not always.



I don't deny it's a drug, I just classify it aside from a true drug. Cause in heart, it isn't a true drug, but in a class of it's own. You can't compare alcohol with Coke or Meph.





I already debated this in my prior post a couple pages back. You didn't read my post completely or you simply just ran out of things to say and regurgitating whatever came to your mind first to get minerals and increase your post count.





Concluding... please get my point...

Alcohol isn't bad. There's nothing wrong with it, it's actually good for you.
It's the people that abuse it. It's society that makes these people.

It's not my fault you can't control your drinking habits.



I guess you aren't mature enough to control your own behavior.

Okay, They cant keep control of their drinking habbits but is this an okay discussion here? I think it is a pretty good one. I have seen many different sides of this topic.

I would view that statement as a very good one if it were in the time traveling one because no one has any idea how to do it, not even scientists.

But the whole reason I made this topic was because my friends that are my ag are going to parties. I was wondering how people though of it, how can this discussion not have anything to do with kids discussing over it if it is completly about kids?

Red2Blue
I can control habits like alchohol and drugs. You said that people just don't wake up in the morning and say hey I need a drink. People do that my dad does it, IT is addictive. It makes you more spaced out than you normally would for alot of people and it helps them get away from the world especially when there in a bad inviroment or somebody just died and they dont want to think about it. You said Mp)7-7 is very contradictive when he talks about the wrongs of drinking and that he has drank himself. Well many people after they comit a crime they realize the wrong they have done.

You say its helpeful when you get in a car accident because your less tense than you normally would be. Well alchohol lowers your reaction time impairs decision and impairs your vision so why pretell would be one of the main reasons that they would be in the car accident?

Alchohol is close enough to being a drug in the physcological effects that it should be concluded as a drug and a depressent.

Yes but I dont even drink, I have been drunk twice and it was at my house like 2 years ago and I know I am never going to drink again until I am older than 21.