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I dont see how you're even relating homosexuality with starcraft. That makes no sense at all. Its all nonsense.

Can you explain how it is nonsense, then? As in, point out where I made a mistake in my logic? I admit I made a few assumptions there, but it seems to me that they are all very reasonable. Please, more specifics; if I made a mistake, I'd like to know precisely where it is.

You're just stating random things. I don't see how starcraft related to homosexual animal activities. More of a spam than a serious discussion. Maybe you should explan how it relates.

Also when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

Alright, I can't completely speak for meklar here, but I think I get the gist of what he is saying. Computers are not natural at all. They don't occur in nature at all. Starcraft is a game that does not occur in nature on a computer, which does not occur naturally in nature. Thus, Starcraft is essentially unnatural^2, while homosexuality is merely unnatural. So, by your logic, you are doing something that is unnaturally times more unnatural than homosexuality.



You've made more than a few assumptions in your posts. Also, instead of ignoring meklar's comments and attacking only his point about Starcraft, you are ignoring the core of his argument and essentially dodging the issue. Please address his points.

I havent assumed. I stated facts. His post is really out of topic. Starcraft does not relate to homosexuality. When did we even turn away from Perverted Justice anyways?

That's where it changed.



You have assumed. First of all, you assume your definition of homosexuality is correct, you assume Jesus would not tolerate homosexuality, you assume I have not read the bible, you assume homosexuality is mentioned more than gossip or gluttony, you assume that homosexuality is not a major sin, and you assume some various other things that I don't feel like looking up now.



You ignored this statement in my post.

Anyways, I would also like to see your definition of unnatural since you seem to use it often.

I did not assume that Jesus doesnt tolerate homosexuality. Maybe you should learn about Christianity before stating any random fact.
Why dont you also address his statement. I choose to ignore it since its nonsense.

This was not nonsense.



I know many things about Christianity and I know enough to say that according to Christians, Jesus loved everyone, including homosexuals. From what you're saying, I get the impression that Jesus was incredibly judgmental and unwilling to accept people, which is not true. Also, in that comment, you make another assumption, the assumption that I do not know anything about Christianity.



I did. Anyways, since I was not disputing his comment, merely clarifying, I do not need to address it to agree with his point. While you, as you disagree with it, would need to dispute it to make his point invalid. If you don't believe that I addressed it, look at my post above my first assumption comment that you so vehemently opposed.

Thats sick, when I think of this crap it makes my insides turn.
Sick mofo's out here...

Yeah he loves everyone and forgave everyone, but he doesnt tolerate homosexuality. Loving someone and tolerating is not the same thing. Its two different things.

Ok, its time for another Mcaffee breakdown.....






Yes, they do know it's wrong. That(if you read one of my ealryer posts on the pedos and the rush) WHERE they get the rush from.



They are Christian untill the day they die, OR untill they are striken from the records. So, yes. There are Christian GaysAND pedos....



And that makes gluttony and gossip more wrong? The reason it was mentioned more than homosexuality is that it was more of a problem with that back in the day.




If homosexuality is not a major sin, why is it that EVERY church is against it? "Cus there scared" Thats probbly because its un-natural.




yeah. I HAVE done this. There are men out there that I find attractive. It's not because I have a hidden gay gene somewhere. It is infact a choise that one persone makes. Just like EVERYTHING else that happens with our lifes. There are no decided part for any one person to take.



Ok, Science in not always right. Just cus a bunch or people said "Hey, that sounds good" Dose not make it true eather.



So, by what your saying, there is a cure for being gay?



The whole thing around Jesus and the sin deal, is...

He knows (Provided that there is a "He") that we will sin. So he went and did the whole cross thing to make it possible for our repentance or whatever you beleave.

All He realy wants is for us to try to live better lifes WITHOUT sin. He knows that it is not possible to live a perfect life (only one recoreded person has lived a life like that) so THAT is why we have repentance and all that.



Just as Echo said. There is no simalaraties with starcraft and being gay..... unless you think starcraft IS gay... like i do when i loos...


Any way you look at it, it IS a preference. And, honestly, sying that being gay is not a choise is like saying that you were born to play starcraft, or you were born to be on this site even. It just dose not add up...

Please don't assume that MCaffe. You clearly don't know anything about Christianity if you are stating this. The Bible clearly states Homosexuality is not right and God forbids it. And pedophilism is just commonly wrong and God also forbids that. Again, Homosexuals and pedophiles are never Christians. They arent even close to it until they stop and repents.

There are different sects to christianity. Some of them, like the unitarians, DO consider gays to be christians. While most of them, do not.

If I was a gay person seeking divine comfort, I would go with the unitarians.

Musician is right, it depends on the sect. However, if you look at the literal definition of Christian, it means someone who believes in Christ. Homosexuals and pedophiles can fall into that category. You seem to like throwing around the comment "You clearly don't know anything about Christianity" like candy. It is untrue and a crude assumption. By your logic, liars aren't Christians, gossipers aren't Christians, and anyone who sins isn't a Christian, as all sins are forbidden by god.

I never said anyone who lies, gossips, or sins is not a Christian. Maybe you should read my post before where i state that Jesus and God forgives some sins but not the ones that he REALLY told them not to.

No, you didn't directly said it, but you implied it in this passage. You never mentioned the "REALLY told them not to" clause in this statement.



I honestly don't think you're a Christian if you don't know that Christ forgives all sins, not just minor ones. Anyways, give me some verses of places where god or Christ "REALLY tells" homosexuals not to be gay. Do homosexuals really hurt anyone? Wouldn't it be a more worthy endeavor to campaign against murderers or rapists?

Pedo's and Homo's can be christians, but being a pedo or homo is a constant sin. If you repent and ask god for your forgivness and your a pedo or a homo he will forgive you. But you must stop to ask for forgiveness on something you must try to stop. The Bible I think did not state homosexuality in it as much because it wasnt as big of an issue back then as it is now Gluttony and such were more common and so thats why the bible talks more about that atleast to my knowledge.

God forgives all sins...... look it up.




That is almost EXACLTY what i said in my last post...



See? lol

But if he forgives you, or not supose to continue it. This is the sin why homosexuality and pedofillism isnt allowed. Because people CONTINUES IT

Most people continue to commit every single sin that they have been absolved of. There is no reason to only mention homosexuality or pedophilia.



It's only a sin if you commit the sexual acts. It is not a sin if you have the desires and do not act upon them. In fact, it is not only not a sin, it is commendable.

Okay then, they will go to hell until they repent and stops..

Unless I'm incorrect, and I'm pretty sure I'm not, you can't repent when you are in hell. Then again, I just might have read too many of Chick's tracts (he's a bit insane). If you want to taste his insanity, go to http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp and read some of his tracts.

Once your in hell your damned to an enternity of it, and you can't escape. When some of the people I have talked to are in hell there going to be like Oo.Zero.oO was right I should have listened to him.

Or when they aren't in existence because there is no heaven or hell they won't be thinking anything. Or when they are reincarnated they won't remember the conversation. Or when they are in the Terrestrial Kingdom they will know that your conversation wouldn't have really helped them anyways. Or, well, you get the point. The truth is that no one knows what will happen in the afterlife or lack thereof. I personally like the reincarnation bit myself.

I never said you can repent in hell. If you're in hell, you're screwed forever with eternal pain.