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Uh, not necessarily. So long as you manage to change every cell in the embryo (obviously the genetic engineering would be done when the baby was only one cell), and the genetic makeup was not completely screwed up, there shouldn't be any rejection problems.

... you can't do that. An embryo is a cell (yes.) They won't even consider using eggs that are genetically screwed up. And they can only use identical genetic markers.
Let me reword what you are trying to say EcHo... are you talking about our participant evolution of our race because of this technology? or something radically different and totally irrelevant.

You completely missed the point. He meant that all of the genes of designer babies would be genes that other humans could get, and that they weren't alien genes. He didn't mean everyone has exactly the same genes. You may in Biotechnology, but your logic skills are horrible.

Echo, We don't seem to be getting anywhere with this line of logic, so I'm going to make up a, for the sake of this argument, hypothetical situation.

Hypothetical situation: We can correct every single genetic disease by using genetical engineering. The children will not be any different from any other children.

Are you for this or against it?

Actually, the baby is am embryo from the point of conception up until some certain stage of development, I don't remember what stage it is but it is well beyond being a single cell.

But I still don't get why you say you can't modify the genetics. It's true that if you get too far away from the original, there are some chemistry problems that can crop up (the cell stops being able to support its DNA), but within certain limits there are still many changes you can make.

For this one too, of course.

Modifying a person can lead to too many bad results its not worth the risk of developing such technology. What if there is a mean person out there who has alot of money or is ambitious and wants to rule the world? Other people have designer babies so whats to say those people who want to make babies who is not intelligent and will listen to what there rulers tell them? What if a person wants a baby to turn out horrible? You cant put laws to limit a persons looks, but you can stop people from changing others to something they may not want and try to keep it natural.

A power hungry ruler want's people to be able to grow up really fast, and wants them to be able to give birth to many amounts of easily brainwashed people. He then basically cloneing makes armys of these people who are dimwitted because of their ruler.

Shouldnt we stop any things like that to be able to happen? You should stop something like that before it gets out of hand.

Theres 400 children at a school 300 of them are designer, and are smart intelligent strong and all those good traits. Well the 100 students always get picked on because there not designer there parents may have believed in god or didnt have the money for designer babies. Those 100 arent smart enough or strong enough to defend themselves against these masses of people who are in ways superior.

Having designer babies is like selling water from the fountain of youth to the rich for them to exploit.

Genes don't make you obedient. They can give you down syndrome, and then you are basically useless to anyone. Anyways there will most likely be laws developed against the purposefull creation of "bad" genes.

That already happens anyways, designer babies wont change anything.

genes dont necessarily make a person smarter either. And genes don't really make a person so obedient. There are trait genes that select their somewhat born personality. A bit aggressive trait, content trait, or "peaceful" trait. They'll probably want a content trait.

Uhh, don't let them?


Wrong. It is absolutely worth the risk (which is absolutely minimal) in order to prevent genetic diseases from occurring.


Yeah, you seem to be sliding along a slippery slope here.


Believing in god is no excuse not to help your child. Designer babies really wouldn't be expensive at all, so I'm not sure what your excuse is now. Anyways, just because you have a genetic predisposition to be strong or intelligent doesn't mean that you will be strong or intelligent. Your environment has a large impact on that.

Let's face it, the technology to genetically modify our babies is going to be developed eventually. If someone wants to use it to make mindless slaves, that doesn't mean the technology is bad, it means that person is bad. Also, the same thing could have been said of pretty much all technologies throughout history, but we wouldn't be where we are without most of them. I think we just need to keep in mind that technology is never bad in itself, it's people who use it immorally who are bad and need to be dealt with.

...except that, so far, human knowledge points towards more intelligent people also being more moral and compassionate.

You wish.

Well, yes, actually it is an excuse. It certainly isn't a valid reason, though.

At first they might be, but yes, later on they'll be cheap enough that almost anyone will be able to afford them.

Who is to judge what traits a person has are good? Are you going to start having laws on what people can look like? Theres already people who look bad, and dont you think that it would offend them if you started to make laws designer babies cant look like them?



Its already bad enough why try to make childrens lives worse?

Well, generally those traits that do not involve genetic diseases are good. Obviously, you could not choose to make your child idiotic, as that would be hurting their quality of life.


Slippery Slope. Again.


Because removing genetic diseases and making people smart is really absolutely horrible for civilization.

The only good that can possibly come from designer babies is making people less prone to diseases.



Whats a slippery slope?



Since you want to play god how about getting a list of what people should be like? Just forget about the people who don't turn out right you can just throw them in the rejects pile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope


Accusing someone of playing god is the worst argument ever against designer babies. Please do not ever use that baseless argument again. I cannot play something that does not exist.

What do I think that people should be like?
1. Intelligent
2. Free of genetic diseases


I'd rather not forget about them, and I don't see why you would.

Care to tell the rest of us how being strong, smart and beatiful are somehow bad?

Probably not, unless there is some obvious cruelty going on. But it doesn't really matter too much, because 99+% of people aren't going to try to make their kids ugly.

When it comes to a choice between indirectly offending ugly people and hindering the progress of human civilization, I don't know about you but for me the former totally and completely crushes, destroys, owns, pwns and rapes the latter.

omg look my argument plz

Actually, it's one of the worst arguments you can make against just about anything.

I still have yet to see a valid argument why making people smarter and stronger and more beautiful is bad.

So long as you can throw them away before they get to age where they start to have a complex nervous system, sure. Killing people after they've been born is in most cases immoral.

I think the only case when one can edit a baby before it's born like that is when the baby will have some serious health problems, like Down Syndrome, Epilepsy ect.

But in all other cases, it's immoral, and can lead to people becoming alike. Everybody wants to be physically strong, so nobody will be noticed, because everybody will be strong. Same goes to intelligence. But that's the case of this technology becoming available to the masses. If it will be available only for the rich, it will encourage "elitism".

The fact that the person is not perfect makes people interesting and diverse. You want to kill diversity in people? You want to make us all alike, like animals?

So long as people are becoming better, who cares if they're genetically similar?

Nobody will be noticed for being weak, either.

So can many, many other technologies...in fact, just about all technologies throughout history. And while that is a real danger, at least for a while, chances are things would correct themselves soon.

If that's the only way to improve us all, yes. Contrary to what the government would like you to think, this isn't a matter of some people simply being different. It's a matter of some people being inferior. The goal is to improve people, whether this involves making them the same or not.

WHAT? Do you really not understand that, of course, other animals have just as much variation in their species (and often more variation) than humans do? Don't you realize that great danes and chihuahuas are both the same species, yet far more different than any two standard races of humans? The reference you made just then is completely and utterly invalid.

And what will making all humans "better" achieve?

A strong human is only strong because there is someone weaker. By making everybody strong, you just rise the standard, but create no room for improovement.

If you want to be a clone out of an army of alike clones, think again. I am me, and am happy about that.

Greater technological and medical advancements.


There will be weaker and stronger people. Your build is part genetic and part sweating it out in a gym. I don't see how people will be identical.

Once again, even if everyone had exactly the same genes, people wouldn't end up looking alike. Your school, your childhood, and even your time in the womb affect your looks, strength, personality, and every other trait.

Greater technological and medical advancements leads to the fall of man and the self destruction of humankind.

The only good that can possibly come from getting rid of nukes is avoiding the destruction of the human race. That's nothing, right?

Clones and people with good genes are two very different things.

I agree. You should revert to a naked caveman and destroy your computer, house, and everything else.

Stop saying things that don't make any sense, you never bother to back them up with evidence anyways.

That doesn't make any sense.
1. Humans all look alike already, they only have slight differences.
2. You can't make everyone like an animal, because they already are animals.
3. Everyone has different preferences, a mother might think the perfect child has black hair and blue eyes, while another thinks it's yellow/brown.
4. Who said anything about genes making you perfect? They just make you "desirable", like clothes. I'm sure you don't want us to strip off all our clothes.

That really makes sense. No wait, it doesn't.
If you make every car company use fuel efficient cars, there will be no difference right? I mean wrong.
That means cars will have better fuel efficiency and cars would be improved for humans to use. You're comparing something to itself, which you can't do.

Because, everyone knows, we should just let everyone with an uncurable disease just deal with it on their own. I have an idea for you. Try putting yourself in their shoes and see if you want to die at an early age after having a horrible life full of suffering. Honestly, try caring for someone once in a while. It will do you a world of good.

What unenlightened late life redeemed loser told you that? If it wasn't for technological and medical advancements, the human race could've died out by now.

You guys are thinking inside the box. Basically what I'm saying is the outcome of these advancements. What do you think will happen if mankind because immortal from medicine? What will happen? The world would get overcrowded. Where would the animals live? Plants? How much room will there be? How much waste would be created daily? Living in the moon? Other planets? Cmon lets be realistic.
And technology, remember the cold war? That is just one of the least destructive event. Right now we are still fighting over nuclear weapons.



You are over exaggerating what I just said.

You guys tell me to think outside the box, yet I am. You guys are the ones that need to think outside the box.

If mankind became immortal, there would be scientists hundreds of years old who would be smart enough to resolve those problems.

But at least you're thinking outside of the box though.