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Mathematics would be designed by God.

Which is why I'm telling you that I wasn't talking objectively .
God isn't illogical, but he would be from our point of view, in the same way that marines would think that Chris Metzen is illogical. That is what I meant by God being illogical.

Why would that be?

Wow you've converted me to a Christian.
You would be perfectly fine with leaving your friends and family behind?

Why should anyone be scared of death it is a natural process of life. If people dinnt die the world would be very werid and ya.... and besides everyone is going to die some time no matter what YOU WILL DIE.

Being scared of death is a natural process of life also.

Thats true.

Well, im not really scared of death. Just on the way I would die, either a painless death or a slow and deadly death. Also the fact, if I die at a certain age. Will I be that age in heaven or hell.

Only if God is outside logic, which hasn't been proved and appears very unlikely.

Okay, but from now on keep in mind that calling God illogical because he's like that is technically inaccurate.

Well, so far it appears that pretty much any sufficiently interesting lower universe almost has to be turing-complete. I'm not sure about, say, Avida, but for example StarCraft is probably turing-complete. Basically what that means is that, if you had a big enough StarCraft map with enough triggers, you could do any operation any standard computer could do, and emulate any other turing-complete system. So far our Universe appears to be probably turing-complete and no higher (with the possible exception of externally inserted randomness, but that doesn't matter for my argument), so again if you had a big enough StarCraft map with enough triggers you could simulate our Universe. So, assuming God intended our universe to be interesting for him, it would make sense for him to make it just as logically complete as his own system, in order to achieve the most diverse and complex sets of phenomena.

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I realized that, that is why I attempted to explain it above.

But that is assuming that God has full knowledge of his own system, and that he made us as interesting as possible. There is a mind-boggling number of possibilities that can be assumed, so any single assumption wouldn't be safe.

Assuming possibility/probability wasn't also designed by God.

Okay! I'm not going to bother reading through most of these pages as I'm going to answer the topic's question straight forward.

I'm afraid of death because of the people and things I'll be leaving behind. A;so, I haven't experienced a lot of things that I'd like to do and most likely will not be able to do because of financial concerns.

If the first is not the case, then God isn't very omnipotent or omniscient, is he? On the other hand, omnipotence and omniscience are probably already impossible anyway, so maybe that doesn't really matter.

As for the second, like I say this is what just plain makes the most sense.

Well, you sort of have to assume the most probable scenario, at least for your primary assumption (that is to say when not using indirect proofs, thought experiments, that kind of stuff). Why? Because...well, just because it's the most probable. Hmm, maybe this depends what you mean by 'assume'. At any rate, for the purposes of this discussion, my statement could just as well be that the most probable scenario is that our Universe is logically equivalent (although smaller) than the system God runs on.

Like I say, it can't really have been, because everything that is valid in a given system must also be valid in any systems that can include that system. In other words, a system cannot see something as right that a higher system can prove wrong, only the other way around (and even then there are limits).

People are scared of death because they don't want to be in pain, or because they're scared of not exister/going to hell.

That wouldn't apply to any higher systems because we have only observed that in our own system. A marine can never be aware of things in our "higher" system because we have designed it to be so. It is impossible for a marine to walk off his virtual world and into ours, and the only thing a marine "considers" is what you command it to consider. A marine "sees" that not shooting an enemy is "wrong", but we don't go around and shoot all our enemies. Therefore, the lower system sees something as right that the higher system can prove wrong. We may relate to the marine in this situation in that we can't compute higher processes unless we have been designed by the higher processes to do so. So it is very possible that God invented possibility/probability, and at the same time I can't support it with evidence because my evidence is that my evidence was designed by God.

I wouldn't be at all sure about that. I think if you allowed that then you'd be getting outside logic somewhere. But it's hard to say...very hard to say.

By the way, that's an invalid analogy.

But as far as I can tell that isn't evidence.

I suppose enough people have said by now that a fear of pain is as large a factor as a fear of death, though in my case, it's not so much pain as simple discomfort. I'm one of those that derives some level of pleasure from pain, but painless discomfort I cannot stand, such as those of disorientation, frustration, or nausea ( or similar ) .
If there's anything I fear from death, it is the discomfort it may bring others, and my own inability to make the attempt to make life better for others, people still living.
Not so much 'making an impact', my main comfort before death would be knowing that no one would care, and that it could somehow bring more pleasure to others than I could living, or that it atleast does not limit my abilities, although I find it hard to imagine a situation where that's fulfilled.
I also have an odd fear of dienig unknowingly. I wish to die, though relatively painlessly, of course, at a known and predictable time, so that I have a chance to get any last thoughts in about what life has been and what it no longer can be.

Also, I get kinda spooked thinking about what I might look like laying there in a coffin.

I'm very bad with extended analogies, that was the best I could muster up without it becoming absolute nonsense.

Which is assuming that evidence wasn't designed by god. /joke

It's apparant that we are now running in circles and that I have an impairment in explanation skills. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that either one of our ideas are possible, but any truth about a higher being has yet to be discovered.