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Science has evidence. Faith has god. Ewww ;(

yea, I know science has evidence. What about it? That's what I'm trying to get to...
There is evidence that Jesus and his buddies were real, after all.

Unfortuantly, that has nothing to do with whether or not God existed.

Jesus - Lord, Liar, Lunatic

Are you telling me that all sections of science are true one hundred percent?

No, but the information from science is far more reliable than a 6000 year old book.

Mistakes in science are made. Mistakes in science are corrected.

Mistakes in the bible are made. Mistakes in the bible are kept.

and we circle back to a few inconsistencies not really having to do with the messege itself.

There are thousands of books out there discussing the small flaws of the Bible; there is no major flaw that has been brought to my attention. The biggest flaw I've seen thus far was one my friend pointed out to me as being who saw Jesus first after he rose again.

Science is how things work based on reproducable tests. Faith is how you hope things work, whether or not you've tested any hypotheses. I am unable to convince myself of anything without evidence, whereas you are. That's the difference between us. It means that I think in a logical manner in this respect, and that you choose to reject logic. Faith and logic are incompatible in this instance. That's your choice, and I don't hold it against you. But don't expect faith to hold up in an argument. That's an unrealistic expectation.

Just because the message of the Bible is good doesn't mean that it's correct about everything. Just because Jesus existed doesn't mean he was divine. That's the fallacy of Composition, which I mentioned a few posts back.

What makes the Bible more reliable than, say, the Koran or Torah? They both have good messages. What if I wrote a book about unicorns that preached friendship? Does that mean that people should believe in unicorns?

some hypotheses have been tested, and haven't been proven true yet, but the event still happens.

Theory of Plate Techtonics, for example.

And what about the Tsunami in India that no one predicted?

What about it? Science doesn't claim to know all the answers, unlike Christianity. Why didn't the Bible predict it?

Faith is what sets it apart. *shrug* but that's beating a dead horse.


The Bible never claimed to predict everything. Perhaps it was meant to happen this way. However, there were machines and sciences developed that was made to warn us of those things. This tsunami was huge. How did the machine not pick it up?

I don't think you've read the news. It is said the countries rarly experience tsunamies, and thus, did not have the warning systems. However, a story I heard was a 7 year old (or whatever) girl saw the warning signs of a Tsunami and saved everyone on that beach.

So, you see, it is simply a lack of instruements. Logical. Evidence is present. Which one would you rather believe?

wow. my bad. I assumed india had some sort of system...

Actually CheeZe, the news said that the countries could not afford the instruments, and now the United Nations is looking to provide those instruments in the Indian Ocean.

*Faith* is most likely what your parents made you believe when you were too young to think for yourself. How would you choose if say you were isolated from any faith for 20 years, and on your 20th birthday you had a choice between any religion in the world? How would you choose?

The Bible does claim to predict many things, the most anticipated of which is the Second Coming. Remember that one? I don't, probably because it hasn't happened yet.

Ah, the tsunami. First, if you know anything about geology, you'll know that the earthquake that started the tsunami off occured way out at sea. While there are many geological survey stations near, the amount of time between the actual quake and the tsunami's arrival would have been several hours at most, not nearly enough time to evacuate all of the beaches in southeast Asia. Also, energy travels through water almost as fast as it travels through earth, so the time between the arrival of the vibrations through the ground and the arrival of the vibrations through the water would have been relatively short. You'll notice that whenever Los Angeles or China has a quake there is no warning. So obviously we aren't able to accurately predict earthquake activity. We know when an earhquake is happening, but we can't predict earthquakes. I don't know where you got your information claiming that we can somehow predict earthquakes, but I'm guessing it was from a movie or something that dramatizes such an unglamorous science, like "The Day After Tomorrow" or something. Seriously, when was the last time anyone ever had warning before an earthquake? Sure, there are foreshocks and aftershocks, but those don't necessarily tell us when a tsunami is coming. Most undersea earthquakes do not result in the tsunami phenomenon, otherwise we'd hear about them all the time.

I'm hurt. I'm not ignorant.

Perhaps a faith vs. logic topic needs to be created?

Sounds cool. You want to start it off, or should I?

Edit: Since the Faith vs Logic topic has been created, any further discussions along those lines should continue in that topic. I think we've exhausted all possibilities of debate in this topic, but just in case we haven't I'll leave it open. In case any of you want a visit from pwnz(U). And by pwnz(U) I mean me. Duh.

So far, this one seems all answered/debated 'till now from my stand (evolutionist). If anyone wants to add somethin' of value, be my guest. While it doesn't happen, I'll go elsewhere's.

The debate above mentioned (faith vs. logic) goes in here. Now, I'll browse to see where it stands so far.

I'm sorry cheese, but you're wrong, matter CAN be destroyed.

http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/

You take it, add to any matter, it makes lots of light, and poof, both substances are gone...

Matter isn't destroyed, it's simply changed into energy.

Anti Matter + Matter = Lots of Light (Energy)


E=mc² anyone ?

hmm wat does matter have to do with jeuse about a thousand years ago

potatoe.

Okay, we're done.