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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-05 at 06:31:42
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ May 23 2005, 06:45 AM)
Some say blackholes are like wormholes; passage ways through time. But that really doesn't make much sense. I see them more like dark stars that take in stuff rather than give off stuff.
Well, if you got sucked into a jet engine, wouldn't you die?

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some people say wormholes are 2 blackholes joined togher(plausible) eek.gif

QUOTE(dust_core @ Jun 7 2005, 05:44 PM)
I think it depends on the density of the black hole. If the black hole is smaller, the sides of it is closer to each other and when you travel in, you can be stretched due to the gravitational tug between the sides. but if there is a larger black hole, larger than the sun, there might be a possibility of entering it safely.

I had watched the movie "Event Horizon". pretty creepy i'd say.
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if a collapsing supernova core is less than 3 solar masses it becomes a neutron star
if a collapsing supernova core is more than 3 solar masses it becomes a black hole.
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QUOTE(Silver-Dragon @ Jun 26 2005, 08:24 AM)
Forewards in time is easy. go at the speed of light, everything around you will go faster through time then u do. Backwards in time, i have no idea. It's probably somehow possible. Maybe u have to go in reverse at the speed of lig-- oops not serious. Anyway, What if there is an equivalent to moving on the negative scale? Like 1, -1). It took humans longer to resort to using negative numbers then positive. Might this be the same?  huh.gif
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-07-05 at 07:34:48
From reading Silver-Dragon's post:

But the thing is that its impossible to travel at a 'negative speed' or perhaps your so called negative speed of light. Since it's like vectors, negative just becomes a different direction.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by rusell1993 on 2005-07-05 at 08:18:15
gd question. confused.gif

i think that time travel in a black hole is nonsense. nothing can escape a black hole, and back in time requires an imense speed greater than the speed of light.


neway, in a black hole, u would b crushed by the gravity.
NO ESCAPE WATSOEVA!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by in_a_biskit on 2005-07-05 at 08:55:27
I think that the possibility of wormholes originates from physicists' complex mathematics involving Einstein's general theory of relativity - where the solutions to some equations imply the existence of strange things like wormholes.

Actually, according to Einstein's general theory of relativity, time 'slows down' in a gravitational field, so as you approach the centre of the black hole, you'd actually be going into the future, relative to normal Earth time...

Theoretically, objects travelling faster than the speed of light would be going backwards in time.
To go forwards in time....just wait! We're all moving into the future, just all at roughly the same rate...

I wonder if light would orbit a black hole (even if it can't escape from the centre)? I'm sure it's possible, as long as the distance is just right...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-05 at 17:46:57
QUOTE(timmy8586 @ Jun 16 2005, 08:19 PM)
It does, just not like that. The sun gets it's energy from bonding hydrogen to form helium. The fusion of the atoms releases an intense amount of energy.

Just read this article if you're really that interested.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/sun.htm
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See what I was saying is that when the sun implodes and eventually explodes, more matter is pulled in as it wanders near the area where the sun was some other matter is pulled in as well. The atoms are fused together by their own charges and become what they were before and more. Density builds and the matter is squeezed together and produces a fusion reaction.

Sun = Very yes!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-07-05 at 18:33:43
Teachers taught us in school that Black Holes are pretty much stars that collapsed and pull things towards them with so much force that even light cannot escape.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-08 at 13:13:52
That's what we have been saying...

A Black Hole is just a big big big big ass Super Nova that collapses in on itself. Since it is soooooo massive, the gravity from it, implodes the Neutron Star even more, creating a huge gravitational thingymabob and thus, making a Black Hole
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-08 at 14:08:29
Yes and these geniouses think that it's an actual hole in space and time! dry.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-08 at 14:12:50
Lol.

It is a possibility that it is an actua, hole. But most likely not. I believe it is possible because of the huge gravitational presence there. It has been proven that gravity distorts "Time" and space. So maybe the hugh gravity there has created a rift in the makeup of the universe, thus creating a wormhole to a parellel univere.

Wow... I didn't think I would be that smart.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-08 at 14:14:25
At this point we don't even truly know what gravity it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-08 at 14:20:14
True. We believe gravity to be the force that "Holds the universe in balance"

But maybe our views on gravity are somewhat, distorted?

Maybe it is a posibility that "gravity" is just an outside force interacting with matter and such in our universe? Maybe there is an unseen force that we haven't even been able to comprehend.

Who knows?

I believe in wormholes. And a way that they could be created is by having the universe fold in on itself.

Imagine the universe like a completely round bubble of water. If we were able to protrude into the bubble, then we would be able to move around freely within it. Thus, "Teleportation", "Light Speed" and "Worm Holes" are possible...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-08 at 14:23:28
I believe in them too, but not them being black holes. How would you figure out how to chart wormhole maps?

*Ok lets see.. wormhole here? Ok now to the ne- oh shit blackhole cya guys! GG NRM plzkthx bai!*
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-08 at 14:27:25
Lol.

That's the complicated thing. Worm Hole will probibly be unstable if we ever figure out how to make them. So maybe they would build "Checkpoints" around the whole galaxy (or universe eventually) where you could create a stable Worm Hole inbetween two check points.

Black Holes could be the gateway to Worm Holes, but I dunno... Now that I think about it, it doesn't seem that plausible... But it is still a possibility...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-07-08 at 14:35:25
Actually it doesn't really seem possible. Gravity so far as we know it can only warp space, not bend it. So if we manage to create supergravitational feild and compress them in an area very small, we could BEND space and make a tesseract, but probably not a worm hole.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by in_a_biskit on 2005-07-09 at 00:13:46
I see no difference between 'warping' and 'bending'... Are you simply talking about a magnitude difference? If so, then surely a sufficiently massive black hole could increase the amount of 'warping' enough to make a 'bend'.

Black Holes aren't very similar to normal 'holes', and maybe it's misleading to call them that way. When they were first observed, they were like a large patch of black in the sky, where there seemed to be no starlight. This is because they have such a large gravitational pull that any light that comes near isn't allowed to escape, and any objects that come too close are pulled into the middle of them and become part of them.

Black holes aren't 'nothing'. They are, in fact, extremely massive - in the sense that they contain a lot of matter. However, their 'size' is often referred to as a singularity - a single point in which an extreme amount of matter is compressed. That's not to say that they have a short range of influence, though - their gravitational pull is extremely strong and affects objects nearby, and they can 'eat' entire stars by stripping all of their gas from them.

As yet, there has been no empirical evidence to suggest the existence of 'the other side' of black holes, or 'white holes', or 'wormholes'.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-09 at 04:56:43
wrap your minds around this boys and...well....boys. this back to the big bang. have any of you seen an explosion that is flat? if you think about it, that one star exploded in to a ball shape. why cant there be wormhole"stings" thru out it? but this is only the ramblings of a kid who has stayed up to late..and has run out of coffie..... crazy.gif
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