Report, edit, etc...Posted by SacredElf on 2005-08-16 at 15:58:12
ya, but nobody will host EUD games and when u host one, nobody will have EUDEnabler its pointless
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 15:59:09
QUOTE(SacredElf @ Aug 16 2005, 03:58 PM)
ya, but nobody will host EUD games and when u host one, nobody will have EUDEnabler its pointless
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hmmm hard to argue on that 1.....my gues would be just to prove that viruses can be transmited through EUDs....again curiosity
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-08-16 at 16:01:03
Nothing's stopping us from asking Heim personally for it. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-16 at 16:01:24
At any rate, I personally think this could be locked sometime soon, as well as the previous thread about EUDEnabler. There's just no point in arguing about this anymore. It is gone and we have to accept that. People will continue to use it and research it, but it simply would not matter unless someone makes and successfully executes a virus. It's over, and we should just get on with our lives. It would cause us much less pain.
Nothing is completely pointless. And yes, most people would not have it anyway, even in the elite community such as ours. Simply to have it to make sure anything in the future can be dealt with is a natural reasoning.
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ya, but nobody will host EUD games and when u host one, nobody will have EUDEnabler its pointless
Nothing is completely pointless. And yes, most people would not have it anyway, even in the elite community such as ours. Simply to have it to make sure anything in the future can be dealt with is a natural reasoning.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 16:01:33
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Aug 16 2005, 04:01 PM)
Nothing's stopping us from asking Heim personally for it.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-08-16 at 16:01:35
I approved the program. I approved the news post. And I still think it should be supported at SEN. The risks are small and everyone is made aware of the risks before downloading.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 16:02:34
QUOTE(Tavrobel @ Aug 16 2005, 04:01 PM)
At any rate, I personally think this could be locked sometime soon, as well as the previous thread about EUDEnabler. There's just no point in arguing about this anymore. It is gone and we have to accept that. People will continue to use it and research it, but it simply would not matter unless someone makes and successfully executes a virus. It's over, and we should just get on with our lives. It would cause us much less pain.
Nothing is completely pointless. And yes, most people would not have it anyway, even in the elite community such as ours. Simply to have it to make sure anything in the future can be dealt with is a natural reasoning.
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Nothing is completely pointless. And yes, most people would not have it anyway, even in the elite community such as ours. Simply to have it to make sure anything in the future can be dealt with is a natural reasoning.
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that is one of the smartest things said in this entire posts
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SacredElf on 2005-08-16 at 16:03:31
well, yoshi dont want it anymore in here, maybe nothing will change his mind
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-08-16 at 16:03:52
QUOTE(m.r.bob @ Aug 16 2005, 03:40 PM)
This is why that the EUD enabler should be hosted dispite the risk.
Hacker: Lookie you can use EXE pointers to send virues through maps.
Heim: ohh, that's not good, I better update the program to fix it
Hacker: I found another exspoit, yay!
Heim: Better fix that one two.
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Sure in the meantime some stupid people who don't play only play SEN approved maps get viruses, but it's worth it in the end I think.
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I care about my visitors, and I'm not subjecting any of them to this kind of risk. How would you feel if you were the one who had to send in your computer to get wiped clean, or lost data, and so on. These viruses are capable of making your computer totally screw up and refuse to function anymore. You would have to reinstall windows.Hacker: Lookie you can use EXE pointers to send virues through maps.
Heim: ohh, that's not good, I better update the program to fix it
Hacker: I found another exspoit, yay!
Heim: Better fix that one two.
ADDITION:
Sure in the meantime some stupid people who don't play only play SEN approved maps get viruses, but it's worth it in the end I think.
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QUOTE(m.r.bob @ Aug 16 2005, 03:43 PM)
I think most SENers would prefer EUD maps as long as they are maps that they DL at SEN and not Bnet.
I know that I'll make a EUD map, and email it and the enabler to anyone who wants to play it with me (maybe farty or someone)
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I'm still not putting any of our DLDB Keepers at that risk.I know that I'll make a EUD map, and email it and the enabler to anyone who wants to play it with me (maybe farty or someone)
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 16:03:59
QUOTE(SacredElf @ Aug 16 2005, 04:03 PM)
well, yoshi dont want it anymore in here, maybe nothing will change his mind
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nothing SHOULD change his mind
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-16 at 16:04:07
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I approved the program. I approved the news post. And I still think it should be supported at SEN. The risks are small and everyone is made aware of the risks before downloading.
Either way, Yoshi has final say in this. It is ultimately HIS site. And the risks are made aware to all except the stupid and ignorant. Thinking that this should still be supoprte here is your opinion, and we should respect that. But since Yoshi does have the final word...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2005-08-16 at 16:05:19
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Blizzard never forsaw a vunerability which allowed viruses to be carried in maps. What makes you think Heimdal wont forsee a problem with the EUDenabler? Nothing is "impossible", which is my mistake in a news post so long ago.
Blizzard didn't anticipate any harmful use of a map, obviously.
What makes me think EUDEnabler dosen't have problems? In such a small program it seems highly unlikely that a fatal flaw exists. Also I doubt the actuality of an EUD related map virus, and thus the threat of one is null.
These aren't reasons for you to assume that any danger from EUDs can't be prevented.
Plus then you said that nothing is impossible, so never say never.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 16:05:45
will a mod lock this....there is no point arguing unless yoshi changes his mind(which i very highly dought
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-16 at 16:06:28
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that is one of the smartest things said in this entire posts
Thanks.
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nothing SHOULD change his mind
However true this is...
Wait, who is going to argue with this? It's Yoshi's call!
Who should argue with this statement, or Yoshi's decision?
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QUOTE(m.r.bob @ Aug 16 2005, 03:40 PM)
This is why that the EUD enabler should be hosted dispite the risk.
Hacker: Lookie you can use EXE pointers to send virues through maps.
Heim: ohh, that's not good, I better update the program to fix it
Hacker: I found another exspoit, yay!
Heim: Better fix that one two.
ADDITION:
Sure in the meantime some stupid people who don't play only play SEN approved maps get viruses, but it's worth it in the end I think.
I care about my visitors, and I'm not subjecting any of them to this kind of risk. How would you feel if you were the one who had to send in your computer to get wiped clean, or lost data, and so on. These viruses are capable of making your computer totally screw up and refuse to function anymore. You would have to reinstall windows.
QUOTE(m.r.bob @ Aug 16 2005, 03:43 PM)
I think most SENers would prefer EUD maps as long as they are maps that they DL at SEN and not Bnet.
I know that I'll make a EUD map, and email it and the enabler to anyone who wants to play it with me (maybe farty or someone)
I'm still not putting any of our DLDB Keepers at that risk.
This is why that the EUD enabler should be hosted dispite the risk.
Hacker: Lookie you can use EXE pointers to send virues through maps.
Heim: ohh, that's not good, I better update the program to fix it
Hacker: I found another exspoit, yay!
Heim: Better fix that one two.
ADDITION:
Sure in the meantime some stupid people who don't play only play SEN approved maps get viruses, but it's worth it in the end I think.
I care about my visitors, and I'm not subjecting any of them to this kind of risk. How would you feel if you were the one who had to send in your computer to get wiped clean, or lost data, and so on. These viruses are capable of making your computer totally screw up and refuse to function anymore. You would have to reinstall windows.
QUOTE(m.r.bob @ Aug 16 2005, 03:43 PM)
I think most SENers would prefer EUD maps as long as they are maps that they DL at SEN and not Bnet.
I know that I'll make a EUD map, and email it and the enabler to anyone who wants to play it with me (maybe farty or someone)
I'm still not putting any of our DLDB Keepers at that risk.
Makes sense, don't you think?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SacredElf on 2005-08-16 at 16:06:32
mmmhh, it would b great if EUD dont have this much risk so every 1 can b hapy whit EUDs
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SI on 2005-08-16 at 16:06:33
QUOTE(The_Lead_Factor @ Aug 16 2005, 02:56 PM)
umm isnt yoshi NOT inviting people to use this by taking it off sen
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did you not bother to read my post?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 16:08:23
QUOTE(SacredElf @ Aug 16 2005, 04:06 PM)
mmmhh, it would b great if EUD dont have this much risk so every 1 can b hapy whit EUDs
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yes but nothing that good ever hapens in life without a price
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QUOTE(SI @ Aug 16 2005, 04:06 PM)
did you not bother to read my newspost?
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yes i read it so as ur complaining i probably misunderstood it....brb then
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SacredElf on 2005-08-16 at 16:08:47
yep, we will just have to wait for SC2
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Lead_Factor on 2005-08-16 at 16:09:58
QUOTE(SI @ Aug 16 2005, 04:06 PM)
did you not bother to read my newspost?
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OHHH u just meant in that specific quote
sry SI
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-16 at 16:10:19
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What makes me think EUDEnabler dosen't have problems? In such a small program it seems highly unlikely that a fatal flaw exists. Also I doubt the actuality of an EUD related map virus, and thus the threat of one is null.
But it does. The person WHO MADE THIS PROGRAM even said it himself. Insuch small programs? You know viruses are not that large, and can be downloaded in somethig as small as a temporary internet file, which are on average, seventeen kilboytes of information. The only people who should be concerned with the size of this file are people who only have one thousand kilobytes TOTAL on their computer. And the threat of one is great. Rumors can be based on truth, or not, but the even possibility of having something such as this is something to watch. the threat of a EUD virus map is NOT NULL. If you are going to say something, back it up. Alot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-08-16 at 16:12:30
QUOTE(Kenoli @ Aug 16 2005, 04:05 PM)
Blizzard didn't anticipate any harmful use of a map, obviously.
What makes me think EUDEnabler dosen't have problems? In such a small program it seems highly unlikely that a fatal flaw exists. Also I doubt the actuality of an EUD related map virus, and thus the threat of one is null.
These aren't reasons for you to assume that any danger from EUDs can't be prevented.
Plus then you said that nothing is impossible, so never say never.
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You're right. But instead of having a 5% chance of it harming you or not with every game you join, it is now removed, thus, it really can't harm you now.What makes me think EUDEnabler dosen't have problems? In such a small program it seems highly unlikely that a fatal flaw exists. Also I doubt the actuality of an EUD related map virus, and thus the threat of one is null.
These aren't reasons for you to assume that any danger from EUDs can't be prevented.
Plus then you said that nothing is impossible, so never say never.
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QUOTE(The_Lead_Factor @ Aug 16 2005, 04:05 PM)
will a mod lock this....there is no point arguing unless yoshi changes his mind(which i very highly dought
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-16 at 16:12:52
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mmmhh, it would b great if EUD dont have this much risk so every 1 can b hapy whit EUDs
But it does, and that is the problem.
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yes but nothing that good ever hapens in life without a price
Indeed. Sexual intercourse is the greatest thing ever. to bad it's also the reason why women get pregnant. Ohh poo, looks like we will just have to be more careful the future, won't we? Indeed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SacredElf on 2005-08-16 at 16:14:10
what class of sick person can put a virus in a map 
,ya i know there is sick ppl like that, aparently this doesnt work for mac bcause mac dont have virues 
,ya i know there is sick ppl like that, aparently this doesnt work for mac bcause mac dont have virues Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-16 at 16:14:32
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QUOTE(Kenoli @ Aug 16 2005, 04:05 PM)
Blizzard didn't anticipate any harmful use of a map, obviously.
What makes me think EUDEnabler dosen't have problems? In such a small program it seems highly unlikely that a fatal flaw exists. Also I doubt the actuality of an EUD related map virus, and thus the threat of one is null.
These aren't reasons for you to assume that any danger from EUDs can't be prevented.
Plus then you said that nothing is impossible, so never say never.
You're right. But instead of having a 5% chance of it harming you or not with every game you join, it is now removed, thus, it really can't harm you now.
QUOTE(The_Lead_Factor @ Aug 16 2005, 04:05 PM)
will a mod lock this....there is no point arguing unless yoshi changes his mind(which i very highly dought
This isn't a total dictatorship decision. It's best people get their opinions out. I'm listening.
Blizzard didn't anticipate any harmful use of a map, obviously.
What makes me think EUDEnabler dosen't have problems? In such a small program it seems highly unlikely that a fatal flaw exists. Also I doubt the actuality of an EUD related map virus, and thus the threat of one is null.
These aren't reasons for you to assume that any danger from EUDs can't be prevented.
Plus then you said that nothing is impossible, so never say never.
You're right. But instead of having a 5% chance of it harming you or not with every game you join, it is now removed, thus, it really can't harm you now.
QUOTE(The_Lead_Factor @ Aug 16 2005, 04:05 PM)
will a mod lock this....there is no point arguing unless yoshi changes his mind(which i very highly dought
This isn't a total dictatorship decision. It's best people get their opinions out. I'm listening.
This is why Yoshi is in charge. How come everything he says is right? Ohh, wait, maybe it was because it was his decision?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2005-08-16 at 16:15:19
QUOTE(SacredElf @ Aug 16 2005, 04:14 PM)
what class of sick person can put a virus in a map
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The same types of people who use hacks to drop you from the game and ruin your fun.