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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-06 at 00:01:39
QUOTE(EngrievedMelancholia @ Nov 4 2005, 08:00 PM)
People were not born gay,some of them may of been but they can change overnight...But i dont see why anyone would like having a nice woman rather then a big hairy guy
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Having a personality in which you like people of the sam gender isn't choice. It's not something you can control. But doing activities that indicate your gayness is the total opposite (like marriage, kissing, announcement, etc)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2005-11-06 at 23:20:30
If your born gay, you can't change over night gotta change the genetics.

I forgot where's the link to the study about Gay people ,"like are they born gay?" that kind of topic

Anyways, you can be born gay from genetic error (when your cells are multiplying and somthing goes wrong or you have the so called "Gay Gene")

You can also become gay or Bi from your enviroment from once your born to pubrity.

If you only live with sisters and your mom, and your dad gone the entire time of your childhood as well as you having not much friends, like about around maybe 4 or 5 max is equal to high chance of being gay or BI.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-11-09 at 15:14:42
QUOTE(Tmac @ Nov 2 2005, 10:01 PM)
I really don't care what they do as long as they don't do it in public.
They should have rights too. Why shouldn't they? The bible has a one liner that say its not allowed to be gay. It also has a one liner about why we shouldn't eat shellfish.
BTW isn't there a seperation between church and state?

Just give them rights!
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Let me remind you the bible is a very old book and some of it is very inaccurate I cant belive some people follow it down to the last word
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-09 at 18:20:27
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that being gay is a sin. If it does, I'd love for someone to prove me wrong. It does, however, define marriage as Man and Woman. That's the part which people might interpret it to meaning that Gay marriage is not right. IMO i dont think that means gay marriage is a sin, but many people do think it is.

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O and btw guys, if you still think being gay is a choice, try this:

For a week or so, try losing your interest in women. Make yourself love men. Try imagining yourself making out with another boy or man. Instead of fantasizing over women, fantasize over men. Can you do that?

Dont think so.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-11-09 at 19:52:52
I didnt say it was in the bible I was just replying a quote I just think some of the bible is out of date to our life styles now.

And if you were Bi you could do that
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-11-09 at 20:07:32
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Nov 9 2005, 04:20 PM)
ADDITION:
O and btw guys, if you still think being gay is a choice, try this:

For a week or so, try losing your interest in women. Make yourself love men. Try imagining yourself making out with another boy or man. Instead of fantasizing over women, fantasize over men. Can you do that?

Dont think so.
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Excelent point

QUOTE(No_Authority @ Nov 9 2005, 05:52 PM)
And if you were Bi you could do that
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But did he say to turn Bi? No, he didn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-11-10 at 01:02:25
The thing is humans aren't completely hetereo or homo. They lie somewhere on a continuum and it depends where you draw the line for your definition. Labels are for people who jump to conclusions. The only thing you need to label yourself as is your name.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-11-10 at 20:19:29
I like to live by that Jeff Foxworthy joke where he says "Everyones gay but the differnce is to a certain extent"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darius.DeValle on 2005-11-10 at 21:32:15
Here's a question for all of you. If it is true that you can be born homosexual, why should it matter to be anyone else except the person who is born that way and the person/people they find attractive? And if homosexuality is a choice, then why does it require some big-ended debate by, no offense to anyone, people like us who likely hold little to no political power to do anything about it?

Here's my point. The idea of homosexuality wouldn't be a problem to anyone in our system if people didn't make such a big fuss over it. Let's be honest, how many people find Brittany Spears attractive versus how many find a random bus driver attractive? In the former case, it would likely be less for her chest and more for her fame and fortune. In the latter case, it would likely be because you have a bond with that person.

Which is really where it all comes down to, what truly is homosexuality but a preference of a body type that is the same or similiar to the one that person has? In my own personal expirience, relationships are typically more for the physical nature of a given person. Well, that's not the best reason to have a relationship, but how many people, in the current or younger years, lusted after that supposed 'beautiful' looking person?

In the end, what is homosexuality other than being a different way to have a physical-typed relationship? I'd like to get more in-depth on this topic, but alas, I must depart for now. But, I'd like to see what some of your thoughts are on this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-11 at 00:54:34
QUOTE(No_Authority @ Nov 9 2005, 06:52 PM)
I didnt say it was in the bible I was just replying a quote I just think some of the bible is out of date to our life styles now.

And if you were Bi you could do that

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Never said you did. I was replying to this:
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The bible has a one liner that say its not allowed to be gay



People right now are making a fuss over Gay marriage, not necessarily the Gays themselves. In fact, most people i know that are against Gay Marriage are against it not because of the fact that Gay people could bond, but because it uses the word "marriage." People have argued that "marriage" is defined as "Man and woman." The reason Gays want to marry is so they could have benefits as every husband and wife has (in things like taxes and stuff.) Sure let them do that, let them have those rights. But another term should be used for it instead of marriage. It'll give the same rights as a marriage and stuff, but just not twist the meaning of the word "marriage."

Oh and a couple days ago, our state passed many amendments into our constitution. Banning Gay Marriage was one of the proposals and it got a 76% approval rating. The county I live in was the only county in which more people voted against banning gay marriage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2005-11-12 at 19:06:41
QUOTE(MiLlEnNiUmArMy @ Nov 11 2005, 12:54 AM)
People right now are making a fuss over Gay marriage, not necessarily the Gays themselves. In fact, most people i know that are against Gay Marriage are against it not because of the fact that Gay people could bond, but because it uses the word "marriage." People have argued that "marriage" is defined as "Man and woman." The reason Gays want to marry is so they could have benefits as every husband and wife has (in things like taxes and stuff.) Sure let them do that, let them have those rights. But another term should be used for it instead of marriage. It'll give the same rights as a marriage and stuff, but just not twist the meaning of  the word "marriage."

Oh and a couple days ago, our state passed many amendments into our constitution. Banning Gay Marriage was one of the proposals and it got a 76% approval rating. The county I live in was the only county in which more people voted against banning gay marriage.
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Why not just change the meaning of "Marriage" instead of creating another word?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darius.DeValle on 2005-11-12 at 21:00:48
QUOTE(No_Authority @ Nov 12 2005, 07:06 PM)
Why not just change the meaning of "Marriage" instead of creating another word?
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Politics. It isn't just a piece of cake to change the meaning of a word that everyone knows, and even if you did, who would really care? It's just a lot easier, and cheaper, to make up something rather than reinvent an existing thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-11-12 at 22:28:04
'Gay Marriage' is called Civil Union in my country (and many others), and they allow it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 00cnr on 2005-11-19 at 16:25:20
I don't see why people look down on homosexuals. Wether they made that choice or were dorn that way they are who they are. Men are afraid that they are being "checkede out" by gays and so they don't like them. Many gays are very nice people.

I believe gay marriage should be allowed. Gays are being denied the rights of straights in terms of marraige benefits.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-11-19 at 19:21:41
I believe this gay marriage issue shouldn't be looked at as whether to ban it or not. But rather looked at whether to use the term "marriage" for gay marriage. Sure I understand that gays want to marry so that they have the same benefits as those of married couples. But really, just about everyone I know that's against gay marriage is against it because it uses the word "marriage," which was defined as man and woman.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-11-19 at 19:38:54
I really have no problem with it, as of now, except for the fact that most gays don't want to be eqal, they want special treatment.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darius.DeValle on 2005-11-19 at 20:14:17
QUOTE(Kow @ Nov 19 2005, 07:38 PM)
I really have no problem with it, as of now, except for the fact that most gays don't want to be eqal, they want special treatment.
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Ah, and here's where we leave the typical train of thought and actually start getting to the heart of the matter.

It's not that most homosexuals so much want special treatment so much as to be defined as different. Marriage is a one-way train, and as such, only those who 'fit the bill' can get aboard. However, in a same sex relationship, the only way to produce a baby would be through a sperm plant (typically lesbians, as the female body can actually carry an unborn child), test tube babies, or adoption.

All of these methods require a significant amount more work overall than a male/female based relationship, if not just because you don't need to sign any paperwork until the baby is born, whereas in a same sex relationship, that's a lot of damn paperwork almost by the hour. Ever tried to adopt a kid? If you checkout the process, lemme just say, it's involved.

The fact remains that the relationships are different. The definition of marriage can, but shouldn't, be altered. The alternatives are just to make a specialized type of classing, if you will, to fit those people. Therefore, they are further seen as different. Then that difference can either be seen as a discrimation against them as if there wasn't enough of it, or that they're 'better' than everyone else.

And that is thje dilenma politicians have to sort out. There's really only one way or the other. And neither way is truly satisfactory for anyone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-11-19 at 23:48:23
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I think it's a tad easier than childbirth. Also, you have tried to adopt a child? happy.gif

I'm all for it, I just don't see the appeal of being a homosexual. I mean, I like boobs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darius.DeValle on 2005-11-20 at 01:33:06
QUOTE(Kow @ Nov 19 2005, 11:48 PM)
I think it's a tad easier than childbirth. Also, you have tried to adopt a child?  happy.gif

I'm all for it, I just don't see the appeal of being a homosexual. I mean, I like boobs.
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Yeah. I'm an adopted child. It's a huge mental strain wondering if you're ever going to be selected, caused once you reach a certain age, NO one wants you...

But, that's not the point. The point is, in a sense, adoption is more difficult than childbirth. Childbirth lasts for a few hours of agonizing physical pain that usually heals over time. Adoption isa process that takes months to years to finalize, and the process is so fragile, the mental anguish of practically being treated like cattle doesn't help either...but, I don't want to get into that. If you want to know, make it a serious discussion.

My point is that in certain respects, you have to take in all of the angles. And I'm glad you like boobs. Don't remember asking, and that's degradatory to females because there's more to a woman than their chest.

Anyhow, what say you?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-20 at 08:47:09
My sister is adopted. A United States government official wanted us to bribe him so we could adopt my sister. See something wrong with the adoption process?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2005-11-20 at 13:36:16
Gays are fine..It can happen to anyone. It isn't there fault really and they just want to live like normal civilized people. "Don't blame them for how they shall come to this world. Blame them on what they do that is wrong in this world."
-Mp)Marine
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-11-20 at 14:08:40
QUOTE(revolver_devalle @ Nov 20 2005, 01:33 AM)
Yeah. I'm an adopted child. It's a huge mental strain wondering if you're ever going to be selected, caused once you reach a certain age, NO one wants you...

But, that's not the point. The point is, in a sense, adoption is more difficult than childbirth. Childbirth lasts for a few hours of agonizing physical pain that usually heals over time. Adoption isa process that takes months to years to finalize, and the process is so fragile, the mental anguish of practically being treated like cattle doesn't help either...but, I don't want to get into that.  If you want to know, make it a serious discussion.

My point is that in certain respects, you have to take in all of the angles. And I'm glad you like boobs. Don't remember asking, and that's degradatory to females because there's more to a woman than their chest.

Anyhow, what say you?
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If you reach a certain age and no one wants you... You obviously weren't polite, kind or talented enough.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darius.DeValle on 2005-11-20 at 19:37:37
QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ Nov 20 2005, 08:47 AM)
My sister is adopted. A United States government official wanted us to bribe him so we could adopt my sister. See something wrong with the adoption process?
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I see that, just as with everything that is wrong with our society, our government is a corrupt entity. However, we don't really have much power to change it. And if we DID change it, well, we'd have to find another solution for it...

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QUOTE(Syphon @ Nov 20 2005, 02:08 PM)
If you reach a certain age and no one wants you... You obviously weren't polite, kind or talented enough.
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Wrong. At a certain age, people don't want to adopt you anymore. A typical parent doesn't want to go through the hassle of molding the child so that they can fit in with their lifestyle. Childare far more maleable than a teenager, because they are easier to influence. Really, how often do you hear a parent saying how "cute" or "adorable" their teenager is?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-20 at 20:01:56
Is it just me or is Marine doing that everywhere, acting like he's quoting a great writter and then putting his name after the dash. Seems pretty lame to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-11-21 at 01:47:23
This may have already been brought up but its not just in the Bible that states marriage is man and women. At least in Catholic marriages the priest will NOT marry (man and women even) if you don't want to have kids. Thats right, if you don't want to have kids, but want to get married you better find another church becuase a Catholic one won't wed you. Its part of a four question questionare the Priest asks you when you meet him in order to arrange a marriage.

So that means if your gay the Priest will not wed you and your partner becuase you both cannot create a child through love. Its suppose to be some deep love thing like your giving yourself up to your partner and through this a child comes bla bla bla.

Pretty strict eh?
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