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You know, I dont exactly see why your creating a completely new clan to incorporate like 2 new members. By 2 new members, I mean that are active in this topic. I only see Fortune and Ultimo posting actively, Baal did once, and admitted he won't be very active, Volcove said he actively made maps, and Odd said he might be quitting SC, and those last three are like never on Battle.NeT. I honestly just think both sides don't want to loose their tag, so they are attempting to come up with something in the middle, which obviously isn't working very well ._.

Screwed is on all the time =)

Your details don't really support your concluding sentence...I'm not sure what your saying.

Well, i never have a problem with aEp at all. I dont know what to say about this, we could lose our official name known as the Map Producers. But then again what about all the access on the bots we have. Right now i have near Admin access on all Mp bots. Mp will surely be different. I dont know any thing about aEp.

I'll just rely on everyone elses votes. Sorry im not voting because i just dont know

I could join aEp and then they'd have at least 3 active members. Then, Mp) would have me as a member through the merge. Isn't that what Minigame has always wanted?

I like both clans a lot. I think if they were to merge then some really great map makers would be in one group together, formulating a new great clan. You'd get the best of both clans, and no competition or rivalry between those map makers. Sounds pretty damn good to me.

then the tradition would fall...
if we merged then there would be no fun to really map make without any competition.

Ehh..I see what you mean. Scratch my last sentence, but honestly. How many aEp members are active on Battle.Net? Fortune, Ultimo, Greens, Sorrow, Screwed. Neiji rarely (personally I've never seen him, but he has to be on Battle.Net somewhere) and I've only seen Volcove and Baal on once or twice. Why can't they just throw on an Mp) Tag in front of their names? Creating a new clan seems like a complete waste to me.



You know it Although he hasn't replied in this topic. >.<

Since this will closely interrelate to both clan's future, I would just like to comment very briefly on this proposal. (I don't usually post, I mostly observe)

First, I know aEp is dying, it's been doing that since for a while. Channel most of time expiring, forum activty lowering and the most importantly, only few maps are made. [I'm also part of the cause of decline]

However, I think aEp and Mp should go with their own paths, with their own individuality and recognition, even to the day it 'dies'.

I'm not saying this proposal is a complete nonsense, but I have my own morals, so does aEp, and Mp. I know great people in Mp (not naming any, you know who you are), and of course the entire activity will ascend because of a larger clan. However, this activity won't prove the diverse existence of both clans, but only a broad group of people who had once its traits and glory shielded from each other.

One tiny thing that won't really matter as much is just the organisation of leaders, also deploying new systems for the new clan. However I'm sure that this will not end up a big problem for the organisers.

It sounds like a lot of fuss I'm making, and of course majority will make this merge proceed. I'm just voicing for the people that share the same view as me, that both clans unique attributes can be bonded in this process, but many will also be lost.

Of course, I will be looking forward to the new ways of the clan.

Well said Screwed. I think if we were to do this, the best traits of both clans would be kept in mind and preserved.



Well, I have an active policy in Clan aEp involving the operators. Members receive 60 access (ban enabled), vice-chancellors, which are also known as co leaders, receive 95 access (full, can't quit bot), and chancellors, which are also known as leaders, will receive full access. Another policy I have involving operators in Clan aEp is that, if you are willing to keep a WC3 name loaded on your tag you will receive an operator. I will explain more if need-be.


If anyone has any other questions, I can answer them.



Anyways, Screwed lives in some strange place, I forget. He is usually on late at night or early in the morning. Neiji is very active on BNet. He spends most of his time in Op SEN. Volcove and Baal have other situations though, which restrict them from being very active on BNet.



Sniper highlighted the members he felt were active on BNet. For one, those would be the members who I feel would pass the re-tryout without a doubt. Another snippet I might add is that, they don't outweigh the Clan aEp population by much. Mp) has a bigger memberlist, yes, I will give them that. On the other hand, though, Sniper has brought it to the point where a topic has been created to flush that same list of inactive members.



We're not the only two mapmaking clans.

Personal Note: I believe, the only thing that could go wrong out of all this is a conflict of interests. Other than that, only good could come from this merge. This topic's purpose is to deal with the questions and concerns, which could evolve into a conflict of interests, before the merge is complete, if it even undergoes the change. I want you to criticize the merge by giving me questions which are hard to answer. In doing this, it will better the clan. The idea has already benefitted Mp) to an extent. Your forum activity is up, way up.

From the look of it, Oo and (U) aren't really doing much to create any competition for any map making clans. They are both running on reputation now rather than showing any more skill in map making. Maybe map making is dimming down altogether now, who knows.

The reason why I really support this merge is because I once had a thought that all map making clans should join into one clan, and that one clan would be known as the premiere map making clan. If you had all the greats in one clan, and no other clans to rival it, then people would definately look up to this super mapping team and want to be in it. But because we have so many clans, there is no prestige. (U)Bolt_Head, Mp)3, and others are seen as great map makers, but their clans do not share that same respect. If they were in a clan together along with all the other awesome map makers out there, they would bring fame to the clan along with personal fame for themselves.

Of course this idea will never happen. But a merge between two major clans would be one step toward this ideal.

Having one big clan can't happen.

You will never get anyone to agree on anything, so it would basically cease to be a clan and become an unorganized group of map makers that think each other are good. If someone doesn't get in, they'll just start a rival clan, and we'll be back to where we are now.


That being said, I don't see the point in clans becuase they don't really do anything.

right now.. its mostly sounding like democracy and communism.
its impossible to to choose either side.

Myself, after creating the clan on Us West back in 2000, I personally do not want to see a merge happen. If a merge were to happen, it would be a discrace to the starcraft community. Mp) is well known as is AeP and people will know each clan for what they have done. If the merge happens the names as we know it will halt to a vigorous halt. You will have many who oppose and many who don't. Now since I have my new computer up and running, I have been considering restarting the Clan Mp) back on West again. This is a proposal I am just seeing what I can consider. If the Clan merges here, I am not changing tag nor will I stay with those who have merged. I will Move myself and all who want to back to west. But I would like to know who all opposes and agrees with the merger, and those who I know if the merger goes says they will quit. Who would want to come with myself over to UsWest and stay as Clan Mp, like we have known it for Years!!! Please Email Myself @ Sakura_Tera@hotmail.com

I am interested in what Everyone has to say about this. And what kind of choices everyone wants and has to make!

Mp)AkiMa

If you wish to keep Clan Mp @ East, I will continue to hold ops and keep the channel open @ East. If you want Clan Mp @ West, I will be glad to make it when BNLS comes back up, because I hate SB for making Clan Channels.

After reading many of the posts its like that their is both negative and positive about this merger. The merger long ago back in June 2000 with Bm) was to gain a reputation and both leaders of Bm) wanted to join with Mp) and the only way we allowed it was to keep our tag and our channel. They agreed then. But now Mp) is like so well known, It would only hurt our reputation on B.net to merge with AeP and to create a new tag or combine tags.... It just wouldnt be the same. And on top of that When zac retired from B.net ( Co-founder of Mp) March 2000 ) he wanted to see Mp) Strive for as long as we can make it stand. Mp) is not like on its last string nor have we quit making maps. As we speak Many Mp) Members are still making maps, Including myself. I may not be as fast or on as much as i would like to but I also put in as much time as i can. I work full time and go to school full time. so my time online is limited to my tiredness. But ya know i love starcraft and this clan. I want to see this clan go for a while. When i made the clan back in March 2000, i told myself and zac that hopefully we can keep the clan going till March 2007, i so far it has made it to as far as it has. Wouldn't 7 years be awesome, ya, but maybe even longer as the tradition passes down. you never know.

Mp)AkiMa

I wouldn't call Mp) that well known, in it's current state at least. If you haven't noticed, Mp) has died many times, and each time it has been brought back. But please tell me how such a thing would ruin your reputation, merging with another well-structured map making clan?

what akima said.
if merge goes = never going to join the new clan.
if the rest of the goes, then you just dont respect the clan at all, and you will never ment to be in the clan.
looks like me and akima and 3 are only the smart ones trying not to make the merge.

Minigame, I don't think you should be the one talking about respect. I found it very low of Clan Mp to blamlist me from your channel.

O_o

When was this?

Ok I was looking at the poll. 25 Yes's, 14 No's

That can't happen, we don't have over 30 active members on SEN. Some of us aren't reading the original post huh?

I'm going to do a manual vote on B.Net. If you want to vote you MUST talk to me personally.

say thanks to aE[Greens] for ruining your clans respect.
you must suffer the consequences of your tag name. thats all i blamlisted was the tag name.

I don't see any rivalry, care to point it out?

Minigame, if I were to spam SEN with crap. Would you like to be banned because a part of your clan did something? If you got something against green theres no reason to blamlist aE[*.

First of all i'm not voting..personaly i haven't been around with the whole Clan aEp and Mp) to really say who should go into who or how it will all go down but hear me out.

Ive read all the posts and relized Mp) does not want to change the tag all to much as aEp can change but only very slightly, now the conversation of making a entire new clan and redoing everything seems like a good idea (ps. none of the names that people have suggested sound all that great), back to the point tho...if aEp and Mp) do decide to change into a entirly new clan we run into the problems of ranks,bots,channel,name,members,and something about re-testing (wich i find pointless).

As a former "Clan Leader" i know alot about the clans as i presume alot of people do, and ive also made a merge of 2 clans something like this but it happend that the smaller clan joined the big one without to much fuss about anything as some poeple think aEp should just join Mp). yet in this case it sounds like aEp has been competing with Mp) for a long time now.

Again i'm going to refer to my old clan for this when i did merge the 2 clans i had no ranks at all so that everyone felt equal. Now this was a good idea for a bit just so everyone got comfortable with the changes. Then i just felt like certain people in the clan were making more a of a contribution to make it better all around, so i gave them more of a respectful name in the clan, as everyone else staying in the pool of members u could say.

Now the bad things about this was that some members felt like there needed to be certain ranks given to people cause they liked order wich i do not, but i did respect there personality so i gave a few people as "Co-leaders" wich was ok for a bit until people in the clan wanted to gain power or be reconized in the clan. This was a major problem becuase now i had to make ranks for every different "group" or person. Now with all the ranks done people had a sense of authority over lower members wich i did not like at all, in this maddness of supremecy over other people the clan fell apart... as lower members felt like they were being pushed around by the higher ranked people the higher members starting be cocky and acting like they wanted to be the boss of evreything.

The name i think should not represent a majority of one clan or mix both tags into one. Personality it should be a entire new name creative and sounds good, it doesn't nessacarly have to be ALL about map making but it can be the majority of it, one ways of making a clan successful is not to make rules about what the clan only does, this does also show the individuality of the clan wich isn't all bad either, the main point of the name is make it sound and look good. (If both clans decide on merging)

Hopefully this will change some peoples preferences or how this should all go out, I do hope the 2 clans can come to some sort of a agreement into merging or not to merge either way it will change both clans in some way, and if u want to get more people to join the clan u may want to widen your focus not just on map making (even tho i know thats the whole purpose of a Map Making Clan), as for the retesting i find that useless cause we all know that we are accomplished map makers. Last but not least i really would like both clans to agree on some type of terms, that means either both clans merge into one or they keep there individuality, i just hope i was able to help in some way.

From: Mp)Ryu

i wouldnt ban you becuace you know better not to spam.
first off neiji spammed for no reason. shilisted him.
greens starts disrespecting the clan. blamlisted him.
ultimo made me made for one day, dont ask i got mad a you. blamlisted him until i get happy.

i vote No! on the new poll!

sry for my lack of grammer skills for the post above