Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2005-12-04 at 14:20:58
i was uber 1337 bored so i actually didi something for this 
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoodenFire on 2005-12-04 at 14:31:12
I excuse if I am getting repetitive of my opinion but...
I think that no great terrian maker would sign up to a judge of a Competition Of Terrain that allows sprites. Sprites are fine if you want to mass produce an effect for your scene or theme you desire in a map. Not just to cover blocky blends but to justify a look that you can't get by just blending tiles.
The purpose of sprites is one of haste and lazyness. A true map maker can work with the pallet in a way that will create effects such as grass, moss, tree harboring areas, and other connections which will benefit perfect blends and a theme you want.
So, in conclusion... wouldn't this be a Contest for Hastily created blended terrain with sprites just to force a theme they can't portray with their limits of blending.
I belive that is an accurate protrayal of what I was thinking about this contest. It is simply a, Quickness-Contest, in lamen's terms.
Thats the best I can do to properly justify my interests in dismissing this contest, as I have said before, "Newb," in allowances (Sprites).
On a side note, minerals are of no goal for my posts. I feel that comment was a supposed joke of some sort and is rediculously irrelovent to the issue.
I think that no great terrian maker would sign up to a judge of a Competition Of Terrain that allows sprites. Sprites are fine if you want to mass produce an effect for your scene or theme you desire in a map. Not just to cover blocky blends but to justify a look that you can't get by just blending tiles.
The purpose of sprites is one of haste and lazyness. A true map maker can work with the pallet in a way that will create effects such as grass, moss, tree harboring areas, and other connections which will benefit perfect blends and a theme you want.
So, in conclusion... wouldn't this be a Contest for Hastily created blended terrain with sprites just to force a theme they can't portray with their limits of blending.
I belive that is an accurate protrayal of what I was thinking about this contest. It is simply a, Quickness-Contest, in lamen's terms.
Thats the best I can do to properly justify my interests in dismissing this contest, as I have said before, "Newb," in allowances (Sprites).
On a side note, minerals are of no goal for my posts. I feel that comment was a supposed joke of some sort and is rediculously irrelovent to the issue.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2005-12-04 at 14:41:19
eh, i am a noob terrain makar ill admit it, actually be4 i saw cresent dyne i thou that my terrain wasnt THAT bad ...after i saw it, i was just like "ya im never doing terrain again." i swear i almost fainted wen i saw it...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-12-04 at 20:14:56
Woodenfire, again, you are not grasping what is being said. QPirateKing's underwater cave cannot be done without sprites, and it looking amazingly good. Using anything else in jungle would result in the appearance of a lake, or a simple dirt cave. The greys simply have a much more impressive effect. if you want to say you can make the rock doodads on ashworld using terrain, then you've really gone of the deep end. The point isn't to make something that's "well blended", it's to make something that looks good and works. Not just some silly ramp complexes that accomplish "hey, high dirt cliffs and ramps". We've got ISOM for that, bud.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RedNara on 2005-12-04 at 22:00:10
Wooden no judge said wow darth ok?
Dude that was horriable and he even said it he just did it for fun.
Dude that was horriable and he even said it he just did it for fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by glytchur on 2005-12-04 at 22:05:27
QUOTE(WoodenFire @ Dec 4 2005, 02:31 PM)
I excuse if I am getting repetitive of my opinion but...
I think that no great terrian maker would sign up to a judge of a Competition Of Terrain that allows sprites. Sprites are fine if you want to mass produce an effect for your scene or theme you desire in a map. Not just to cover blocky blends but to justify a look that you can't get by just blending tiles.
The purpose of sprites is one of haste and lazyness. A true map maker can work with the pallet in a way that will create effects such as grass, moss, tree harboring areas, and other connections which will benefit perfect blends and a theme you want.
So, in conclusion... wouldn't this be a Contest for Hastily created blended terrain with sprites just to force a theme they can't portray with their limits of blending.
I belive that is an accurate protrayal of what I was thinking about this contest. It is simply a, Quickness-Contest, in lamen's terms.
Thats the best I can do to properly justify my interests in dismissing this contest, as I have said before, "Newb," in allowances (Sprites).
On a side note, minerals are of no goal for my posts. I feel that comment was a supposed joke of some sort and is rediculously irrelovent to the issue.
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I think that no great terrian maker would sign up to a judge of a Competition Of Terrain that allows sprites. Sprites are fine if you want to mass produce an effect for your scene or theme you desire in a map. Not just to cover blocky blends but to justify a look that you can't get by just blending tiles.
The purpose of sprites is one of haste and lazyness. A true map maker can work with the pallet in a way that will create effects such as grass, moss, tree harboring areas, and other connections which will benefit perfect blends and a theme you want.
So, in conclusion... wouldn't this be a Contest for Hastily created blended terrain with sprites just to force a theme they can't portray with their limits of blending.
I belive that is an accurate protrayal of what I was thinking about this contest. It is simply a, Quickness-Contest, in lamen's terms.
Thats the best I can do to properly justify my interests in dismissing this contest, as I have said before, "Newb," in allowances (Sprites).
On a side note, minerals are of no goal for my posts. I feel that comment was a supposed joke of some sort and is rediculously irrelovent to the issue.
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sprites arent good, yes that true, but they arent bad, and just because sprites are allowed because theres very very few terrainers that can actuallly make a good piece without blockiness and not use a single sprite, is no reason people should hate this contest...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by WoodenFire on 2005-12-04 at 22:39:22
Wilhelm, your only grounds for saying what you have is that you once, which you admited you weren't as expiereced with terrain as you are now, said Priate's terrain was bad at one time as blocky BUT you also added that the overall presentation gave the perfect effect and sprites were placed as you saw well. I belive this old interpritation of "Good" terrain is outdated and QPirate's underwater terrain is overrated... Pylon sprites have lines and making something usefull out of them may be quite easy, but is not enxcuse for skill. Placing sprites perfectly is not nearly as hard as getting terrain placed just as well.
You have always mentioned his underwater scene when arguing the legitimacy of sprites for a theme. I cover this in my post... why do you fight it when I have already dismissed it with correct backing and support... your case simply... doesn't work?
Perfect Theme /w Sprites < Perfect Theme w/o Sprites
Now, if the theme is indeed something not allowed perfectly by the pallet, like underwater movment, ashworld or desert in jungle, or other pathetic excuses for disprooving this statement when...
-> If you want ashworld stuff, go make your map in Ashworld...
Starcraft map terrain blending with different terrain sets is bad aesthetically when used incorrect. Ashworld rocks in pylon sprites in a cave is a good mix, but is far overrated. If I was still in my "Sprites are awsome because I am new at terraining (notice I didn't call myself a newb yet) and I can make Jungle become Twilight before my eyes!" I probably would of ended up with underwater scenes and what I now consider, Concept Terrain...
I am not saying Concept Terrain is easier then terraining, or am I? I just think Concept Terrain is, after this point in my career (dare I relate this to a job?) as a terrain maker (not professional, because people don't like my arrogance) and I see that Sprite placement was at its climax before my entrance into the SEN community... overrated sprited terrain verses, underrated perfect blends...
Now, Wilhelm, you have mentioned that perfect blends are useless when against an ezier to create theme that looks good, works well, and isn't horrabily blocky. My answer to the fact you think that a perfect blend is useless if it doesn't fit a theme or objective, just a pointless ramp complex or w/e you want to think all of my terrain usually is, is the fact that...
I have come accross countless numbers of perfect blends through terrain research trial and error and have come across dead ends with cave rock pieces, ramp middle sectors, cliff extended pieces connected with doodads, and that is just to name maybe 20-40 between those catagories. These blends have led to small ramps and objects that seem to be pointless... Not terrain or geological end. Very unique looking, but blocky if looked from far away. They use color varience and other shadow blending that may look blocky from afar, but close up, each pixel is right on the money... Perfect blends are chosen from countless number of failures. For ever succesful blend, I have maybe 3 or more that have failed in pointlessness. This prooves your point that, a Pointless perfect blend CAN occure, and maybe much of my terraining is pointless, but interesting non-the-less.
I can only hope that I come to a point where I find grounds to use illigitement twilight doodads...
Hehe, I like the look of some of them when placed correctly...
You have always mentioned his underwater scene when arguing the legitimacy of sprites for a theme. I cover this in my post... why do you fight it when I have already dismissed it with correct backing and support... your case simply... doesn't work?
Perfect Theme /w Sprites < Perfect Theme w/o Sprites
Now, if the theme is indeed something not allowed perfectly by the pallet, like underwater movment, ashworld or desert in jungle, or other pathetic excuses for disprooving this statement when...
-> If you want ashworld stuff, go make your map in Ashworld...
Starcraft map terrain blending with different terrain sets is bad aesthetically when used incorrect. Ashworld rocks in pylon sprites in a cave is a good mix, but is far overrated. If I was still in my "Sprites are awsome because I am new at terraining (notice I didn't call myself a newb yet) and I can make Jungle become Twilight before my eyes!" I probably would of ended up with underwater scenes and what I now consider, Concept Terrain...
I am not saying Concept Terrain is easier then terraining, or am I? I just think Concept Terrain is, after this point in my career (dare I relate this to a job?) as a terrain maker (not professional, because people don't like my arrogance) and I see that Sprite placement was at its climax before my entrance into the SEN community... overrated sprited terrain verses, underrated perfect blends...
Now, Wilhelm, you have mentioned that perfect blends are useless when against an ezier to create theme that looks good, works well, and isn't horrabily blocky. My answer to the fact you think that a perfect blend is useless if it doesn't fit a theme or objective, just a pointless ramp complex or w/e you want to think all of my terrain usually is, is the fact that...
I have come accross countless numbers of perfect blends through terrain research trial and error and have come across dead ends with cave rock pieces, ramp middle sectors, cliff extended pieces connected with doodads, and that is just to name maybe 20-40 between those catagories. These blends have led to small ramps and objects that seem to be pointless... Not terrain or geological end. Very unique looking, but blocky if looked from far away. They use color varience and other shadow blending that may look blocky from afar, but close up, each pixel is right on the money... Perfect blends are chosen from countless number of failures. For ever succesful blend, I have maybe 3 or more that have failed in pointlessness. This prooves your point that, a Pointless perfect blend CAN occure, and maybe much of my terraining is pointless, but interesting non-the-less.
I can only hope that I come to a point where I find grounds to use illigitement twilight doodads...
Hehe, I like the look of some of them when placed correctly...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2005-12-04 at 23:22:46
Wooden, I can ignore that entire post because you're just babbling over the same damn thing. There are visuals you can't create with straight terrain, and if it's practical and it looks good, DO IT. I never mentioned anything about "skill", anything about contests or ribbons which you seem to be searching for. If a painting with a simplistic color palette looks better then one with a complex palette, which is better? I side with what looks good. If you can get the same theme, image, and etc with straight terrain, then it is more practical, and therby a valid grounds to your argument. But the thing is, there's alot where you can't. By the way, I have never said Pirate's terrain was bad. I've seen some stuff he did recently, it's amazing stuff. The thing is, being a terrainer, I simply can't apprieciate it as much. Still, I like it better then yours on account of it looking better, and the presence of theme and style.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by blaze_baby on 2005-12-04 at 23:48:22
well it looks as though none of you are talking about nething...
twilight is the best terrain because there is so many diff colors to chose from,
except glowing terrain
I wish there was an editer where you could make custom tile(that actually works)
No editer works so far but look at it this way...
we have starforge which gives us square terrain, same with extra...
and camelot system tile edit editer, dont waste your time dling it, it doesnt make
much sense anyway, ive opened like everything possible to load terrain but no,
they wont ever give u instructions...
sheesh i hate camelot editers or anything from them
please guys (just my opinion) dont use anything from camelot games...
twilight is the best terrain because there is so many diff colors to chose from,
except glowing terrain
I wish there was an editer where you could make custom tile(that actually works)
No editer works so far but look at it this way...
we have starforge which gives us square terrain, same with extra...
and camelot system tile edit editer, dont waste your time dling it, it doesnt make
much sense anyway, ive opened like everything possible to load terrain but no,
they wont ever give u instructions...
sheesh i hate camelot editers or anything from themplease guys (just my opinion) dont use anything from camelot games...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-12-05 at 06:50:34
Camelot Systems' tools are the foundation of early modding. Many of their tools are still in use today. It is possible to use TileEdit to create custom tiles, but they must replace other tiles.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RedNara on 2005-12-05 at 19:27:07
Ok guys if not going to talk about the terrain competition please dont post. And also if you have problem with rules and etc just pm 00cnr not me though lol no more posting about rules just pms and stuff
lol no more posting about rules just pms and stuffReport, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2005-12-05 at 19:52:50
i still want my terrain counted 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DjDTM on 2005-12-05 at 21:39:59
Heres my entry.
Sorry it looks really messed up, when I made it in starforge it was bigger than just 1 screenshot, so I had to take multiple screenshots and put them together.
Thats why its a little bit shifted to the right. Heh...
If you want the saved game I have that, and the original screenshots I have those too.
^ Hosted on Imageshack ^
Sorry it looks really messed up, when I made it in starforge it was bigger than just 1 screenshot, so I had to take multiple screenshots and put them together.
Thats why its a little bit shifted to the right. Heh...
If you want the saved game I have that, and the original screenshots I have those too.
^ Hosted on Imageshack ^
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Devil_O_Duce on 2005-12-05 at 22:40:11
Isn't this a "Terrain" contest not a contest to see who can shut up woodenfire? I WANNA SEE SOME UBER BLENDING NOT GAY FAG ARGUMENTS LIKE LITTLE 5 YEAR OLDS!!! GROW UP AND SHOW ME SOME TERRAIN!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by glytchur on 2005-12-06 at 09:32:21
o_o no comment on that...
and if i get the cave doodad to blend with the cliffs above it then ill post mine, but if i cant figure that out, i wont post it...
and if i get the cave doodad to blend with the cliffs above it then ill post mine, but if i cant figure that out, i wont post it...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RedNara on 2005-12-06 at 15:46:35
DjDTM thats pretty good acctually i like it but blocky in the end... and i dont like the blank spot on the left but its ok i guess
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DjDTM on 2005-12-06 at 17:21:01
Yea, The only reason theres a huge blank spot there is because I took like 6 screenshots, and I accidentally took them all to the left. I might take new screenshots if its really a bother.. Or just fill in the emtpieness on the top left.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by glytchur on 2005-12-06 at 17:56:33
when i finish mine (hopefully soon) it will just be able to squeeze into one screenshot...
ps. its all on a cliff...
ps. its all on a cliff...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RedNara on 2005-12-06 at 20:39:40
Tight sounds good I think we have now 4 and 1 more will be 5 that sounds good enough wait … 6 with that one ugly one done by Darth-Reven lol haha jp I hope he knows… well its actually going ok because a lot of those are decent and around the same skill level
jp I hope he knows… well its actually going ok because a lot of those are decent and around the same skill levelReport, edit, etc...Posted by 00cnr on 2005-12-06 at 20:40:10
All terrian that is posted is automatically entered Darth-Reven so you're in. Yeah if ne questions don't post just PM me and i'll try to help you out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-12-06 at 23:21:42
QUOTE
when i finish mine (hopefully soon) it will just be able to squeeze into one screenshot...
ps. its all on a cliff...
Oh you didn't use what I think you used. ps. its all on a cliff...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by glytchur on 2005-12-06 at 23:24:44
lol...
shhh...
shhh...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RedNara on 2005-12-07 at 01:12:41
Ill publicize betting once it’s a week till the end.. I mean like the final week. nice 6 entry way to go
way to goReport, edit, etc...Posted by DjDTM on 2005-12-07 at 10:12:16
The image doesn't show up on the main post. I think you have the image linked wrong, the direct link to the big image is: http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/4305/djdtmsbeach9qy.jpg
But you can just link the image to show thumbnail but when clicked it goes to the bigger images link.
The link to the thumbnail is:
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/4305/dj...beach9qy.th.jpg
But you can just link the image to show thumbnail but when clicked it goes to the bigger images link.
The link to the thumbnail is:
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/4305/dj...beach9qy.th.jpg
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 00cnr on 2005-12-07 at 20:56:17
Sorry about that it's fixed now, thanks for pointing it out to me.