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Report, edit, etc...Posted by nirvanajung on 2006-01-19 at 16:22:06

QUOTE(M_s4 @ Jan 19 2006, 03:03 PM)

I am seriosly thinking that Blizzard has an anti-SENing team where a group of people examine every single post to counteract every one that has to do with revolutionizing StarCraft, those communists...
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I did not think so, i guess that reason is Hack and little crashed bug
and probably, i think that Blizzard has not anti Modding Comunity they just not positively supporting

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-01-19 at 16:36:12

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LW: Only a few of them are rendered useless.

Does anyone know if the Hallucinate Eud is useless now?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Alkemist on 2006-01-19 at 17:15:40

QUOTE(Felagund @ Jan 19 2006, 07:56 AM)

Lol @ the Macs. Serves 'em right.
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nuclearrabbit used a mac

Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2006-01-19 at 17:26:29

SC just crashed on me.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2006-01-19 at 22:22:57

yeah some of the EUD's are just crashing.
Mouse position crashed for me. (my updated 1.13f version
EDIT:
Why did this topic get balleted for a bit?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-01-19 at 22:27:31

Mac patch is now available:

http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=msc0411p

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2006-01-19 at 22:28:55

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Basically, the people at starcraft are probably finding a way to get eud to work for mac... thats the favored ideal..

Impossible. EUD's work because of buffer overflows, which do not work on macs. Period.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2006-01-19 at 22:29:22

Hahaha.

Seriously, if you're complaining, then you don't deserve to play Starcraft.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-01-22 at 16:26:10

QUOTE(Insane @ Jan 19 2006, 04:36 PM)

Does anyone know if the Hallucinate Eud is useless now?
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Anyone know?

QUOTE(Alkemist @ Jan 19 2006, 05:15 PM)

nuclearrabbit used a mac
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So?

QUOTE(Deathknight @ Jan 19 2006, 10:29 PM)

Hahaha.

Seriously, if you're complaining, then you don't deserve to play Starcraft.
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all these patches arnt Dial-up friendly and they take too long to dl which is a reason to complain

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-01-22 at 16:49:24

ha! i knew there was a patch comin out be4 it came out!!! and moosezorz said i was on crack

i think moosezorz owes me an appology

haha j/k

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodle77(MM) on 2006-01-22 at 16:50:26

yeah, blizzard needs to release another base patch so they dont have to have all the 20mb from 1.12.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2006-01-22 at 17:00:59

Ugh.. Does anyone realize that Blizzard doesn't want you to be using EUD's?? Why don't you just give up so they don't have to continue patching. I think whoever makes the programs to use EUD's is being selfish and obnoxious. Your also making it harder on us all. Continue with EUD's continue with patches. Blizzard won't stop until you do, so just stop.. How many times have people gone over this??

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-01-22 at 17:14:43

QUOTE(Yenku @ Jan 22 2006, 10:00 PM)

Ugh.. Does anyone realize that Blizzard doesn't want you to be using EUD's?? Why don't you just give up so they don't have to continue patching.
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there are other things that they need to be making patchs for. E.X. HACKERS
they're a real problem to starcraft. its hurting it too, if you go out and try and make a clan no-a-days 60% of the time if you know anyone that is a hacker, you'll end up getting your clan loaded/spammed by clans like RH.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2006-01-22 at 17:39:04

QUOTE(Yenku @ Jan 22 2006, 06:00 PM)

Actually this was patched because of hacks, not EUDs, if you notice, EUDs still work, the fact that only a few of the EUD memory values were changed shows that the effect upon EUDs was entirely unintentional. Had blizzard wanted to remove EUD conditions, then maybe they would have at least scrambled more than a handful of them?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yenku on 2006-01-22 at 18:08:59

Well, I heard that many didnt work... and no, I wouldnt have noticed, I dont even know how you would use euds or how they are in a map. I dont bother with UMS except for micros...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr_Mooo_Cow(U) on 2006-01-22 at 18:13:38

QUOTE(Yenku @ Jan 22 2006, 06:08 PM)

Well, I heard that many didnt work... and no, I wouldnt have noticed, I dont even know how you would use euds or how they are in a map. I dont bother with UMS except for micros...
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Then next time lets think before tossing accusations around like hot potatoes.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-01-22 at 18:36:54

Okay, see my sig, that's all there is to it. Memgraft is gone. Never to come back unless miracles happen.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-01-22 at 18:42:27

May I ask why? --;

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kumano on 2006-01-22 at 20:56:38

I'm positive if they wanted to get rid of EUD conditions they could just remove them the way they removed actions. This was probably a side effect of something they patched.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2006-01-22 at 21:07:52

They only remove and patch things if it does or can hurt things. EUDActions could change random values, so if they got in the wrong hands they could seriously fark you up.
Conditions just read values, they are pretty much harmless. I don't think they would patch them.
The zerg stack glitch can be easily countered by splash units, so they probably don't care much about that. But do not be surprised if some patch pops up and its gone; hell, don't be surprised if anything is ever gone after a patch.

This patch downloaded MUCH faster than last time for me.

It only took under 2 seconds.

(Post.random=very?)

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-01-22 at 21:37:53

QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Jan 22 2006, 06:42 PM)

May I ask why? --;
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I too, would like to know.

If there was no copy of the source code left (unlikely), it could still be done (See MemGraft 1.13e)

If the offsets were too scrambled or there's some kind of inhibitor, I'm sure we could find a way around it.

If DoA doesn't want to update MemGraft, he knows there's others out there who would be eager to do it, if they had the right knowledge.

None of the above seem likely to me... is there some sort of conflict going on between SI/DW and DoA, maybe they don't want their program updated by anyone else?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-01-22 at 22:21:08

QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun @ Jan 22 2006, 03:36 PM)

Okay, see my sig, that's all there is to it. Memgraft is gone. Never to come back unless miracles happen.
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How about your secret project?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2006-01-22 at 23:30:09

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all these patches arnt Dial-up friendly and they take too long to dl which is a reason to complain

Dial-up is obsolete, therefore dial-up users have no right to complain.

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What do you know? Can you prove this?

Blizzard is patching because of hacks, not EUD CONDITIONS.

This topic isn't about EUD Conditions, it should be mainly about hacks, and how SET DOODAD STATE is no longer a viable method for the common anti-map hack.

As far as I know, Blizzard patched one exploit, I think it was with Zerg, that allowed players to gain minerals for free. As of now, as far as I know, there is another Zerg one, a Protoss one, and two? Terran ones.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-01-23 at 00:40:18

About Memgraft(the responses are to Voyagers suggestions about it)

1. I believe SI destroyed his(which was the only) copy of the source code after seeing the DLDB page for Memgraft 1.13e.

2. Here's what is wrong. There are way too many offsets now. There's not enough room to hex edit them.

3. Trust me, if I could, I would.

4. I wasn't smart when I updated to 1.13e(did I mentioned I tried to do a 1.13a and a 1.13b update too, but it kinda died off until 1.13e came out). From what I can tell, DW and SI don't like when people complain about their stuff. If you read the comments for 1.13e Memgraft in the DLDB, you'll see why. Personally, I think both sides overreacted. I didn't mean to go behind them, I should have just sent the offs and have them update it. I'm not at all glad this happend, I really liked Memgraft. Anyway, I think it is dead. Oh, and just for the record: Memgraft never was my program. Remember, DW wrote it.

However, I'm working double on FireGraft(BK is helping me, a lot), and we'll see how it goes.

As a final note: If DW/SI happens to read this, and I happen to be wrong and there is still a source copy left, I'd be happy to supply a proper list of offsets for everything needed to update it.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-01-23 at 03:21:57

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However, I'm working double on FireGraft(BK is helping me, a lot), and we'll see how it goes.

Yay!

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