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When Euro trys to degrade me is when, I geuss, my ego appears.

But Kellimus, all egos put away/all opinions put away, this WILL continue until you/you guys can point out a post where I have been incorrect (and I have not said "correct me if Im wrong here"), NOT incorrect in opinion but incorrect in the facts I bring up.

I do not think Bush is doing enough, or maybe hes not doing the correct measures becuase I do feel a little safer but I can plainly see the weaknesses in our homeland security.

I know I have said this before, like last year and I will say it again, I do not think Bush should be President beucase he divids the Nation too much. Now I don't blindly defend him, I just don't think hateful opinions are a good option in a reasonable debate.

If it will continue with all egos/opinions put away because we need to prove where you are incorrect, that means that egos aren't put away. So if you really want to end it, then you must admit defeat because no one here will quit until you do, because they believe (along with me to an extent) that you are totally wrong.

Why do you think Bush is not doing enough Chris? Taking away your first 10 amendments aren't enough to protect yourself? Do you want him to take away all 21? You may feel safer, but many, many, many people do not. I would rather keep my Bill Of Rights and "get attacted by terrorists" instead of giving the government so much control over my life and what they can do to me if they believe that I am a threat. All they would have to do is assume that I am "a terrorist" and I go straight to prison for the rest of my life, without due process or trial by jury. Which are two of our amendments from the Bill Of Rights that can be bypassed because of Bush's tolitarian Patriot Act.

I agree with you. But he shouldn't be president for many other reasons as well. Ever heard of the RAVE Act? Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstacy Act? Do you know what that does? Let's see.. What do you know about the first amendment? You do know, that our right to assemble peacefully is in this amendment, correct? Well.. Guess what the RAVE Act does? Makes Raves illegal. Hmm.. Guess what Raves are? Gatherings of a group of people, to sit around and listen to Electronic Music. Yes, there are drugs there. But at any large event that deals with any kind of music, it's hard to keep drugs out. But Raves are peacefull until the government, state, or local enforcement steps in and breaks them up.

Hatefull opinions. What are those? Are those what we have because we can see the faults of President Bush, and we completely distrust, dispise, and want him out? How is that having hateful opinions, when we look at the facts and see how horrible he is doing?

Please do tell us how having facts against someone and hating them for these facts are hateful opinions. I'm quite curious.

ummm... when I degrade you, your ego steps in? Is that so. Well for 1 I have never attacked you in such a fasion as this. No need to flame you anyhow since you have already been taught a lesson by my fellow debaters. We are master debaters [/lame austin powers joke]

I think he has gone as far as was neccessary. Think what it would be like to walk in his shoes for a day.

Kellimus, disagreeing with me, and me being incorrect are two different things. Theres no ego in wanting to know where I have been incorrect. Please cite a source becuase I am very curious as to where I have been wrong. Also I would like to know how I have been defeated? I didn't know I was at war with you Kellimus.

Kellimus, I respect people who see both sides of the view. You(not actually you, just metaphor) say, he has done this which is good, but he also did this that I disagree with, which is why I would like another President. I think you would agree with me here that a person who plain old has a driving hatred of a President, and finds anything and everything they can to degrade that President more is irrisponsible, which hatred is linked to many things, the KKK hate african americans, etc...
So I believe you shouldn't HATE someone based on your facts, also hate is a very strong word.

Let me give you an example, of I wouldn't say hatred, just bais dislike of American politics with Euro.

USSR invades Aphganistan in the 80s. USSR imperialism. The US, naturaly, wants to stop USSR imperialism and Comunism in general. The US does not want to fight USSR with our own men becuase that could ignite World war 3. So the US sends in teams to train the locals. Many of these locals happen to be terrorists or future terrorists (Osoma Bin Laden). The operation is successful and the USSR are driven out of Aphganistan.

Now Euro's point of view on this matter, as much as I can come up with based on his writings, is that it was bad for America to send in teams to train locals to stop USSR imperialism. Even though he later stated he didn't like the USSR imperialism, it doesn't matter, the US should not have sent in men becuase some how we knew back then (early 80s as I have stated, not later) that 9/11 would occur which is what Euro was basically trying to tell me.

Now maybe Euro didn't directly write this down but based on what he did write it does not look like he lookded at both sides of the issue. He only looked at the US in other countries part and made his choice that it was wrong.

@Not enough done: I believe thats why I wrote down "or hes not doing the correct moves"

Plus, the government does not control your lives and it will not label you a terrorist if you keep your same life style. Now if you decide to start chanting death to America with an Ak-47 and bombs strapped to you and you walk into a public park, of course you are going to be detained. Or even less effort, start making calls and try to get into contact with terrorists and try and support them, thats a good way to be detained. But the point still stands that as of right now you will not be a terrorist or labeled one. And you must also view this topic through the America system of government. Bush won't be in office anymore in a few years, and if we get a new President that shares your point of view (which is pretty much concrete by now) you can probably say good bye to these so called "tyrannical acts". I view this as temporary.


@Euro



I would say thats pretty degrading becuase it means:

1. I am a sheep to Bush
2. I was lead to believe something that is false
3. I can't think for myself
4. Your opinion is greater then mine, I am wrong you are right etc.

Euro, please be more respectable like Kellimus, i like debating Kellimus since it seems he has calmed down a bit, as I am to believe he use to flame a lot?

What happend to Chris? What did you do to him? He never misspelled anything.

And what does this mean:

What did you do to him? You aren't Chris.. <_< >_>

The Chris I know, knows who I am, and would not say: as I am to believe he use to flame a lot?

Bring him back! O.o

Well you could say I am very calm right now, and I am realizing the only way to have a reasonable debate with people on the internet is to be calm, becuase your will never get a good response with crap.

2 wrongs don't make a right.

@Flame: I didn't want to be wrong, becuase if I was you could say "AH HA, THAT POST IS WRONG, OWNED WTF HAX" basically.

...You're not Chris.

You spelt Afghanistan wrong..

Where did Chris go.. o.O

Next time you talk to Euro on AIM or what ever ask him how many times I misspell words. He will say I misspelled them all the time, I type very fast and I pretty much don't look back or don't see what I have misspelled.

....S.T.A.R.S-Chris never mispelt words...

haha yes I did, well what ever you can think all you want but its the same old Chris, just with my AIM name now instead of STARS-Chris becuase I ended the clan, even though some members still where the tag around.