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I do hope you do realize this is a value discussions, not a policy discussions.


So. Caffein isn't a drug? What is a true drug. If you only classify drugs as only cocaine and meph, why dont people just eat their tylenols enmass.


Personal bias as you say.

I have decided recently that the only good alcohol is that which contains the chemical reservatol. Which drastically limits the number of alcohols out there that I approve of. (although I do enjoy some of those Turkish candies with alcohol inside.)

No ****. Nothing else would explain your last few posts in this topic.

No offense meant.

I was just letting Zero know because it seems tha the missed them because he keeps telling me that you have to experience it to talk about it.

I don't have a decision for it.

If people want to drink, go ahead. An alcohol to me is just another expensive drink. I'd rather have some tasty Jamba Juice (expensive though).

But drinking and driving is something else. I don't want to fear driving thanks to some idiot. Maybe have cars start with breathing over a machine. Then there's that new Lexus car that drives itself. A drunk driver is a like a really dumb missile.

Or maybe lock up drunk people in a boarded house with a puppet on a tricycle that says, "I want to play a game"...

Thats just the thing, We cant keep the drivers off the street we can only take their license. They just drive anyways, just like all the people that have died because of a drink driver that had a suspended license for drunk driving. THat created a lot of contreversy over this subject.

My opinion on drinking!

Ok, I drink alchohol whenever I have the chance. Myself I think I may be becoming an alchoholic because when I get mad I drink and feel better. Sometimes I get sudden urges to drink really badly and when I do drink I drink a little to much ( thats just me ). Now when I do drink I don't go all crazy and go driving around and end up killing myself because I think I'm more mature than that. But, there are people who don't drink and don't like drinkers and I respect that but I like it and there is and has been people in my family that are alchoholics. I may be going towards there but I'm trying to cut down and calm down a little on my drinking but hey I'm 22.

That is one of the steps leading to an alcoholic, making an excuse for having the booze. Using it as a personal delightment and feeling the need for it.

I'm all for alcohol, but I'm not fond of getting drunk. I've only ever seen my parents drunk a couple times in my life, and they were at adult parties, like new years, and once at home. I'm just glad my parent's aren't mean drunks, as they're very amiable when they are drunk.

What I'm trying to say is, a couple glasses of wine never hurt anyone, but beyond that is usually too much.

Though I agree what you are saying that is the start of all the drinking. Your parents drinking at a party for a socially good time, then they have no one there telling them to stop, they end up drinking too much. Lose the thought that driving home isnt a big deal anymore then, get in a car crash on the way home.

I said the average person and clarified my statement with a sub statement.






The beauty of being drunk during an accident is that you never react. Thus you never tense your entire body resulting in less injury. I admit it's really bad to be drunk while driving, im just saying... it's an example or something...







It's okay to have bias, my underlying point was that it's not okay to let it completely overtake reality and defy logical reasoning. And as a note, can you please use more understandable grammar? It's difficult to understand what you're trying to say.



It was sarcasm. I'll add [sarcasm] quotes if you can't see sarcasm.




I don't get it; you know your problem but you still persue it. Why not find other ways to cure your anger?




I said that already.

There adults not teenagers, there not going to get completely smashed. There is almost always someone that is sober and adults usually have a designated driver. The only thing cars need to do next is have a breathilizer in which if you fail it wont start.

Yes, but obviously not everyone is smaryt enough to handle themsemelves or they wouldnt need laws. I highly doubt cars will ever have a breathelizer.

The age system is fine. If we tested every individual with some sort of a "maturity" test it would cost unnecessary amounts of money and it wouldn't be very accurate. You can't just measure someone's maturity, they can easily claim to be responsible just to get some beer. Also you can't just ban all alcohol in the world, because there are responsible people.
Would you rather
1. Kill every single animal in the world with no discretion?
2. Commence expensive/extensive scientific tests on every individual specimen to see if it is capable of killing or not?
or
3. Kill specimens that have a history of killing people?

He said that you can drink responsibly.

Nuclear weapons aren't so bad either, until you launch them of course. Even then it is technically your fault. Also they hardly "kill" anyone, it's the radiation that actually does the killing. Don't kick it until you try it.

Yea that's ridiculous, I've never heard of anything of the sort.


"The purpose of drinking alcohol is for its intoxicating effect (even if you have no intention of drinking to excess). Virtually no one drinks it as food. So I consider alcohol a drug. But the use of hobby glue is for adhesive applications. Relatively few people use it as a drug. So I call hobby glue an adhesive. Did you know that glue has calories? With your argument, you’d be stuck calling glue a food!" -Marilyn vos Savant

Likewise I've seen many stories where people had played Russian roulette and were it not for their past experiences playing the game, they surely would have died.

"This is your own personal bias, there's no evidence to back it."

"It's only ok to be biased when I'm the one being biased. If you're biased I'll use this biased opinion to point out the logical fallacies of being biased when you are not me."
Way to stack vicious circle upon vicious circle.

so what exactly is your point pirate.

That thing at the top of the post. The rest is just pointing out mistakes in argumentative logic.

I see. So you agree with me.

Indeed, an age limit is the best possible and reasonable measurement of maturity, yeah.



I was gonna debate that use of my quote of your own bias but i'll just leave a link. Im lazy.

http://www.erowid.org/




Oh no!...

Man that's one complex arguement...