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Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-07-10 at 19:10:57
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jul 10 2005, 05:52 PM)
Kellimus was warned for calling Chu immature.  Oh, and Chris was banned for calling Chu a fag.  smile.gif
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Chris wasn't banned for calling me a fag, he wasn't even warned for that.
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jul 10 2005, 05:57 PM)
FYI: I wasn't asking for a removal of warn, I was just curious. But I think you see what I mean by moderators conflicting opinions, right?
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I know you weren't but it directly relates to me and I don't want to see anyone getting warned for something that directly relates to me and doesn't offend me. I'm normally an easy going guy and I like to avoid confrontations. Kame said herself that I go too easy on people, it's mostly true.

Moderators may contradict each other every now and then but it's not like it's creating mass chaos. They're different decisions or views coming from different people and it's stupid to go through each situation and force a final decision about which-way it should be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-10 at 19:19:27
I was talking about this chu:
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I was sent a report on it, and it was technically flaming, so I warned him.

It was only to prove my point, that you can't go by the book, because not everyone here is. If everyone did that would be different... but they don't, so it's not possible for her passing the blame on a technicallity.

I believe that well thought out decisions are better than decisions by the book; but I wouldn't care much if everyone went by the book. Just don't half ass the thing you know what I mean? It creates anarchy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-10 at 19:24:39
Chu doesn't go too easy on people, see I would have been banned by now if it were up to Chu smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-10 at 19:29:26
QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Jul 9 2005, 03:11 PM)
I see your point though. I'll tell you when I warn you, unless an admin has a problem with that. Deal?  happy.gif
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You never told me you warned me for calling someone an idiot. Clokr_ told me. So far Beer has been the only one to PM me telling me that I was warned

QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jul 10 2005, 03:52 PM)
Kellimus was warned for calling Chu immature.  Oh, and Chris was banned for calling Chu a fag.  smile.gif
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Yeah, I don't see the justice in that.

QUOTE(chuiu_os @ Jul 10 2005, 04:10 PM)
Chris wasn't banned for calling me a fag, he wasn't even warned for that.
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And I get warned for the word immature?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-07-10 at 20:06:48
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jul 10 2005, 06:24 PM)
Chu doesn't go too easy on people, see I would have been banned by now if it were up to Chu smile.gif
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Don't be so sure you won't get banned anyway, I'm not the only one who thinks you should be banned.
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 10 2005, 06:29 PM)
Yeah, I don't see the justice in that.
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Take it up with Yoshi.
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jul 10 2005, 06:29 PM)
And I get warned for the word immature?
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If he wasn't banned, he would have been warned.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-10 at 20:09:00
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Don't be so sure you won't get banned anyway, I'm not the only one who thinks you should be banned.

Who said I was sure? smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-10 at 21:59:10
Hmm...why don't we replace the entire mod and admin staff with super noveau AIs? That'd be so awesome. I'd so give up my position to be replaced by an AI happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-12 at 01:53:19
Before my post was deleted, I said something about completly ignoring confrontation, proving my point, etc.

From what I can remember, I think my point was that avoiding confrontation annoys me, and it should stop, or everyone should abide by a code. Since the ladder option is much easier and quicker, I should hope it is implemented, or those who excessivly avoid confrontation should be punished...

...it sounded a lot better last night when I made the original post... really.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-07-12 at 18:23:31
QUOTE(Ultimo @ Jul 6 2005, 05:29 PM)
You better watch your back now Bolt. wink.gif
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This thread is here to voice my opinions, If we all sit here and say "all the mods are awsome and perfect" we don't acomplish anything.

QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jul 8 2005, 04:33 PM)
They don't. It's the moderators call if they want to let the member know if they're being warned.
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I compleatly disagree with that!!!
If you don't notify the person receaving the warn they don't know that they were warned. And if you are unaware of it, it isn't a warning, its a secretive jab in the back. Warnings arn't here to slowly pickaway at the troublesome members before we ban them. There suppost to inform the member or a wrong doing with the intent that they will change.

QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Jul 9 2005, 05:11 PM)
When I first started being a moderator, literally the first day on the job, I told a guy when I had warned him what he had done and that I had raised his level.  Immidiatly after, he got all angry, if it was over PM I wouldn't have minded, but he'd start topics about "OMG I GOT WARNED BY A GIRL!!" thanks to the admins, he was done away with, since it was repeated spamming and flaming. Later, one of the people with more expierence than me told me that it wasn't a good idea to tell people when they are warned, because it creates problems like that.
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I don't know who would of told you not to PM the memebers. I think it should be a requirement, If you can't handle someone freaking out on you cause they were warned then you don't have what it takes to be a moderator. Just calmly answer all there questions and if they don't get it or keep argueing the same point just clarify that the conversation will go no further then ignore them.

I think almost all the mods here fear people getting mad too much. Like yoshi removed members ablity to veiw the warning log cause people would complain to him. And then every once in a while you see Chu's warning logs with some times multiple follow up warnings cause of the person argueing their point. Granted I havn't seen these conversations but I wonder some times if it was a valid warning.

QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Jul 10 2005, 05:16 PM)
Ah ha. I get it. I'm such a moron. I get it. I was sent a report on it, and it was technically flaming, so I warned him.
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I think many things people report are not warnable offenses. Most of them are from a bias veiw where someone is offended a little two easy. Not to long ago I followed up on a report and warned the guy who was reported AND the guy who reported him cause they were both flaming eachother.

QUOTE(chuiu_os @ Jul 10 2005, 06:10 PM)
Kame said herself that I go too easy on people, it's mostly true.
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The thing I dislike about Kames modderateing is the vaugeness in the warning log. Such as "Flaming" without any descpriotion or link. Also it is carried out in a unprofessinal way some times. As if there relying on the fact that the members can't see the log.

Thats not just FK and i'm not trying to pick on you FireKame I'm just trying to point out things that I think could be changed for the better.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-12 at 18:48:37
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I think many things people report are not warnable offenses. Most of them are from a bias veiw where someone is offended a little two easy. Not to long ago I followed up on a report and warned the guy who was reported AND the guy who reported him cause they were both flaming eachother.

Most of the flaming I warn for is in the Serious Discussion forum. In technicality, yoshi said they could get banned from the forum altogether for incinuating bans.

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The thing I dislike about Kames modderateing is the vaugeness in the warning log. Such as "Flaming" without any descpriotion or link. Also it is carried out in a unprofessinal way some times. As if there relying on the fact that the members can't see the log.

Sorry. I started putting snap backs! I just hardly ever saw them when I did warn at the beginning, so I never did post a link.


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Thats not just FK and i'm not trying to pick on you FireKame I'm just trying to point out things that I think could be changed for the better.

No worries. I agree.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-12 at 18:51:06
Heh I had a situation with Kame's warning me smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-12 at 18:55:34
situation?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-12 at 19:00:12
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Sorry. I started putting snap backs! I just hardly ever saw them when I did warn at the beginning, so I never did post a link.

That's just sloppy.
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I compleatly disagree with that!!!

How can you disagree with that... (I think you just misread) it's the way things are at the moment. Some mods will actually say something, others will avoid confrontation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-12 at 19:12:09
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jul 12 2005, 04:00 PM)
That's just sloppy.
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Pyscho, help me out here. I've tried to level with you, but I never do anything right. What can I do to make it so that I can change that? sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-12 at 19:25:53
Um, I dunno, actually tell people when they're being warned, stop making spamming topics just because you know no one will do anything about it.

I was going to make a topic spiting yours but somebody had already done it for me, here.

There's this big discussion about the name of the forum affecting spam, and how everyone is sick of the spam, blah blah blah; then you go and make an utterly worthless topic, which you could easily gain the same information by looking at member profiles, right after the forum name is changed. Way to kill the plan. I think I'll make a topic asking "Does your B.Net name start with an odd numbered letter, or an even lettered number".

Come on, if anyone else had made that topic first, it would have been locked. All this bullshit is starting to tick me off.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-12 at 19:42:13
It'd be nice to see why you got warned. >.>
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-12 at 19:44:55
That's the beauty of not giving links in the warn log, you can say you're too lazy too look up why, and that you're too busy and a host of other worthless excuses.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-07-12 at 19:52:53
QUOTE((U)Bolt_Head @ Jul 12 2005, 05:23 PM)
I think almost all the mods here fear people getting mad too much.  Like yoshi removed members ablity to veiw the warning log cause people would complain to him.  And then every once in a while you see Chu's warning logs with some times multiple follow up warnings cause of the person argueing their point.  Granted I havn't seen these conversations but I wonder some times if it was a valid warning.
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I've done that like twice, both for flaming me I believe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-07-12 at 20:06:47
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jul 12 2005, 06:00 PM)
How can you disagree with that... (I think you just misread) it's the way things are at the moment. Some mods will actually say something, others will avoid confrontation.
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Just because a warning level can be increased without writing an PM doesn't mean its the right thing to do. What i belive is the Mods should not be allowed to warn someone without informing the person there warning, about the reason for the warn.

Some times i'll just delete someones post or edit something and not actually tell the individual about it but i'm not warning the person about the occurance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-12 at 20:12:37
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What i belive is the Mods should not be allowed to warn someone without informing the person there warning, about the reason for the warn.

I believe that too, you're actually taking a lot of points from PMs I sent you when you gave me a screen of my warn. My point is that that's not the way it is. I was simply informing him of the details. But I don't even think she'll start telling people, unless we make a huge deal of it here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by noisuk on 2005-07-12 at 22:27:45
The moderators seem nice to me.
(Probally 'cause I'm trying to get on their good side wink.gif)

I have nothing to complain about them, they're just doing the job they have to do smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-12 at 22:51:39
QUOTE(Kame da Sniper @ Jul 12 2005, 06:55 PM)
situation?
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I couldn't think of another word to describe it smile.gif My bank of words in my brain is not much so I use easy words to say things like now. Do you know of good words to say to kill the words situation, like a good word?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-12 at 22:55:42
Oh, that's not what I mean. What situation? I like to keep informed...I'm trying to become a better moderator; that's what the thread is for tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-12 at 23:03:01
You know the situation about the warn level that got me suspended smile.gif

I hope Kame becomes a global mod.

ADDITION: I see Kame's modding authority has extended to all of the Other forums smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-12 at 23:08:44
ah yes, that situation. Thanks for jogging my memory smile.gif

Yea, I'm mod of the off topic forums now. I've been so for a few days only.
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