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So, the cave level is somewhat controversial...
The first time we entered, we gained vision of a teal defiler at where the highway boss died at, then when we entered again, starting at the cave level, something happened and the hydra kept burrowing and unburrowing.

Yeah what he said..

So many people having hassles.. These fights nothing till end =/ Turret fight i would have to say is hardest i beaten Ultralisk and he was bloody biznatch took too long just to rape and i know tux halved his life thank god almost like 10 min battle. With CC 2nd battle you need weaken him on way down highway once he hits end you need fire move, fire move so his attacks dont hit you and you weaken him as well moving ; all about unit control and moving so says tux.. And the cave part just random luck running into ultralisk.


PLAYER 2 = BUGGY! im sure a code aswell unlock him..

\\Moogle

Hey Tux, I'll beta test it.

Trailer's on the Map Spotlight curtesy of me btw.

Lemme Test! Plz!?

Trick is to shift + move small step then press hold kill mutas so on =)

\\Moogle

Ok I've compiled the list I have so far and will be bouncing around for a day or so to take care of it. I won't have much time if I wait longer than this week so if you guys find any new stuff please let me know now. Still, good job. Didn't think you'd break my map so easily though .

I'll be posting BETA02 when all the latest changes are in effect. I'll try to tone down the difficulty signifantly, but I'll need you all to give another go at testing it from scratch when it's done. Bear with me, I'm doing this so it can be all done correctly on the first release instead of having to make multiple releases later. I don't think people are gonna want to have to download a 7 meg map more than once anyway .



And don't worry: When I get BETA02 ready, there should be some new tester slots open for all those who missed the first round. Keep in mind though that I'd rather you see the finished form if you're looking to "experience" it instead of an unfinished beta, so if you're just here to play it out of curiosity I'd rather you wait. This is for testing purposes, and I think I was a bit too generous on the first go about letting people get to see it, frankly.

Oh well, lesson learned.

Nope. I think by now I'm past the point of adding new features. At least for part 1. If I make part 2 I'll be redesigning everything from scratch. But I haven't even decided yet if I can or not.

No its totally cool Temp i think its smart... Cuz i can tell this will be big on sc.. not because ur all perfect at map making.. just because this is sc type of map you know?? its not all advanced like us good map makers make.. u know thats why bounds went out cuz we started making them hella hard and advanced lol... but heaven bound is still played you know why its easy... ^_^

So i can tell this will be a good hit on sc..

Well one rather large glitch, thats pretty cool in my opinion.
As player 2, you fire a flamethrower, then quickly switch to the mortor. The flamethrowers flame turns into a mortor attack, and it lasts until you switch weapons again.

Shhh, that's our little Über secret



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Too bad most people on Bnet are too dumb to understand hotkeys.

Hey tuxedo, sorry i have been gone for the past 2 days, so if i missed anything thats my fault. Still testing =D

And another thing, when your the bike, and you die, your screwed on regaining the time.

Demaris... the map isn't that complex... lol

I got a huge list of stuff that was bad. I will post it in a few days.

Heh, it doesn't seem complex because I've gone to great pains putting all the functionality triggers behind the scenes. That's how I wanted it. People get turned off by complexity anyway, like with my old Fire Fighters map (among others). Why do you think I gave only 4 main weapons for the player to use vs. the 9 weapons I allowed for Trigger Happy Defense? But don't forget they're upgradable so that's almost like 16 weapons for both players, when you think about it.

But by god don't think for a minute this was easy or uncomplicated to make lol. You'll see for yourself when I post the unlocked map on the official release.

Is testing closed? If not, sign me up!

If the game is two-player, though, my 56K modem will present some difficulties.

Woot!

Any room for a vetran beta tester?

Templar, I got the opportunity to play this Beta version at Wooden's house. I truely expected a lot more. Ill praise you first, but believe me theres a lot you gotta fix.

-I like the music, it adds a certain edge to the game that otherwise would not have been there. So thumbs up there.
-I like the wind blowing effect, it's also something that is new and interesting; bringing yet another facet of Starcraft manipulation into view. Realistic effects such as this really add the final-- vital demention of realism to the game. Thumbs up there.
-The idea of the timer is good, but you really need to tweek it. It (the timer) in my opinion, should be activated by a location, which it does not appear to be. I understand that you would like to prevent training-- resulting in a hero with 30 armor. However you can set up peramiters for how long you can be in the location prior to the location initiating the timer prior to entry to the forest. But to end this nicely, the concept is sound.
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Now for the extremely palpable, easily avoidable, game diminishing and overall-- careless errors.

-When you use a weapon, you don't pre-cloak the scout's explosion!
-...The re-spawn location/beacon (zerg egg) belongs to you. ..making it far too difficult to accuratly get a hold of your hero after a respawn if enemies are around. You forget and/or havent realized that you have not only your hero selected, but the re-spawn point as well; so when you go to shoot immediatly after respawn... you can't! Resulting in yet.. another death. Do you learn from your mistake? Sure. But it's still a nuisance to have to indivisually select your hero, when you're getting attacked by dragoons, broodlings, invinsible zelots, etc. Which brings me to another point.
-When you die, your hero actually dies.. and respawns. This is dumb. When you die, you should make the hero simply move to an unseen location, what does this accompish? You don't loose your hot key on the hero! This also helps the whole, needing to re-select your hero after respawning.
-The dirt path through the forest is done in perfect lines... thats all to be said on that matter.
-Here's a big one. When you re-spawn, some of the re-spawn locations get mobbed by enemies. I re-spawned into such a heavily camped area that I could not get out. I just kept dying-- and restarted the game. You NEED anti camp on every re-spawn location.

As I keep playing, I'm sure to be finding more avoidable mistakes. No worries though, I have confidence that this game will turn out top notch. Keep it up.
My account name on Starcraft is: BlackWinter feel free to msg me.

Well first of all, I didn't give permission for Wooden to let others try out the beta (even if it was at his house and all). If you wanted to be a tester yourself, I prefer you to have asked.


Anyway cloaking exploders and terrain lines are trivial things. But some of your suggestions arn't things I can really use because you're basically asking I redesign on your opinion. You probably skipped the tutorial parts where it mentioned each of those things explicitly. Unlimited respawns are part of the gameplay. I didn't call it Rush for no reason (race against time, not lives).

As for the respawn stuff, the part about the anti-spawn camping I can probably do something about. Using a neutral player for the respawner might also be reasonable to implement. Hell I can probably even make the forest path a bit more uneven and maybe cloak the exploders. But realize in the larger picture of gameplay these are relatively minor things. Even in most cases of spawn camping you can fight your way out of them with a little effort if you've kept up with upgrades and such. That was also covered in the tutorial.


Anyway I'm fine if you want to give feedback, but I also asked Wooden and everyone else to send their lists by email, mainly to prevent major spoilers and such from being posted. I don't appreciate that either.


EDIT- I think I've decided to make that tutorial unskippable without a password now lol.

Removed for Tuxs last post bottom* just read it again Lol

Well I haven't even added all of the unit names yet. Won't have enough strings until I recycle/clean them... which I is why I want to have everything done before I do that (while I can still keep all of the trigger comments and such). I could add slowed movement with weapons like the shotgun or minigun, but that seems kinda trivial. I don't really know what you mean by option names being off.


Those are just the first two bosses, but yeah I could probably add more diversity to them later. Just keep in mind there's more to the map than the first few chapters that are undoubtably all you played thus far.

I had something like that earlier but it had a few issues. Lurker AI seems not to want to cooperate all the time. I'll look into it though.

Man you really haven't played past the first area lol. But yeah I'll look into adding some extra abilities if I have time. I'm more interested in finishing than adding a zillion things people will barely notice.

Skip was a one time thing, so there's no point keeping it for the rest of the game. The weapon switching with the gateway is a lot quicker (and has hotkeys) than unloading from a overlord, which I reserved for the less-common purchases. I in fact made an all-in-one system for an old D map awhile ago (LoOny D I think it was), but it wasn't too popular or practical. I like this system as is.

And by the way, I invented that scrolling system lol.

Hell no. Hard enough getting HP detection for enemies with the current system. I'm not about to do some messy thing for the human players. I'll try to get P2 cleaned up by the release as well, but it's really only there because I'm reluctant to remove all the work I did on it and it might add some replay value for those who want to see it.

Well I'm not the blizzard graphics artist that made the evol chamber look like a giant tumor lol. Just deal with it. I'm not adding vHP at this point in the development.

Yeah funny you can't figure out the instructions on the screen. Though I think I will add better labels for password digit selections, seeing as how not everyone thinks to look at the unit names while they're loaded up.

Ok that's fine. I'd just rather you have had him ask first, or told me at least you were going to do that. Now I really don't know what to expect from you and I'm reluctant to let you test the next beta.


Exactly. It's not even finished yet so I hope you weren't expecting everything to be there. At this stage I'm only weeding out gameplay issue; not trying to improve aesthetics and whatnot (though I'm not closed to suggestions either). Sorry about the controls, but without EUDs or a reliable alternative that doesn't require a major overhaul to the triggers to little effect, you'll just have to try and master hotkeys and unit control better.

I know I'm probably spoiled in that regard since I already know how to do that stuff almost by instinct, but I shouldn probably expect others to barely be able to understand what a hotkey is, let alone apply them during gameplay. It's kinda a bummer I have to nerf down the gameplay so much as a result, but I realize it won't be a good product if it's not playable to a non-veteran player, so I have no real choice. That too is what I hoped to learn from watching how you guys handle it as beta testers, since I've been too close to the development to really see that part myself.

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Argh editted typo that changed what I meant. Damn I can't even type straight in the mornings.