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Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-09 at 19:49:43
Ones I saw was 52% - 47%. These are after the convention btw.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by -black-death- on 2004-09-09 at 20:26:49
don't trust any statistic especially if you don't know the expiremental design of the survey. If it was a free response survey you can count on it being biased.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-09 at 22:12:42
Then theres the 4-6% margin of error.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2004-09-10 at 22:38:58
Yeah, those polls are SO inaccurate. You shouldn't trust them at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TSoldier_Wol[f] on 2004-09-10 at 22:49:26
John Kerry, Is a good man. When the election is over. If he wins theres going to be alot of changes to tell ya that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2004-09-10 at 22:52:42
i just hope if he gets into office he doesnt change and be like a bush clone
bright side of if bush gets elected only 4 years till its over =\ then maybe the bush "dynasty" will be dead finally i think its not right to have two presidents from the same family, i mean with all the ppl in america one family being president?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-10 at 23:48:51
If Bush got elected again, I have bad feeling another Republican would be elected. GET BUSH OUT NOW!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2004-09-10 at 23:57:25
QUOTE(devilesk @ Sep 10 2004, 07:52 PM)
i just hope if he gets into office he doesnt change and be like a bush clone
bright side of if bush gets elected only 4 years till its over =\ then maybe the bush "dynasty" will be dead finally i think its not right to have two presidents from the same family, i mean with all the ppl in america one family being president?
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Well, it's happened before at least once in the past. John Adams and his son, John Quincy Adams, were both president; they were the 2nd and the 6th, respectively. There was also William Henry Harrison, the 9th president, and Benjamin Harrison, the 23rd President, but Benjamin was William's grandson.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-11 at 00:51:07
Never forget Theodore and Fraklin Delano Roosevelt (cousins)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2004-09-11 at 01:03:48
Oh yeah, I forgot about them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-09-11 at 10:01:35
These articles might interest you:

World wants Kerry as President

Attention drawn to Democrat weakness
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-11 at 13:53:28
Those are both the same article dots.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aster on 2004-09-11 at 13:57:45
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Since when was the US the cops of the world that invaded countries we think were bad?

Since WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, First Gulf, Afghanistan, Liberia, Haiti, Iraq...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-11 at 14:07:25
We were not the cops in WW I or II. We fought alongside allies in a justified war. It was only after WWII we became the censored.gif country solved other peoples prolems without their opinions mattering. No wonder so many people hate America.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aster on 2004-09-11 at 14:30:19
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We were not the cops in WW I or II. We fought alongside allies in a justified war. It
Not saying we didn't. However, we still invaded countries we thought were bad. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-11 at 16:51:56
We didn't invade anything. Germany invaded stuff,w e fought back an dbeat them. However, we started Iraq and Kora and Vietnam, etc.,..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2004-09-11 at 18:07:09
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We didn't invade anything.  Germany invaded stuff,w e fought back an dbeat them.  However, we started Iraq and Kora and Vietnam, etc.,..
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America started the Korean War because it introduced a resolution to the UN Security Council that asked all member nations to help South Korea against the North; it was passed because the Soviets weren't there to veto it. The aftermath? North and South Korea have been divided since 1953 and have yet to reunite.

America started the Vietnam War because it helped South Vietnam fight the North, primarily out of fear that Communism would spread throughout Southeast Asia if the South fell, but actual American military action didn't begin until the Gulf of Tonkin incident, when North Vietnamese attack boats engaged a US Navy destroyer, the Maddox; afterwards, Congress approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave then-President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to use armed force in Vietnam. The aftermath? Communism didn't spread as the American leaders had feared, Vietnam and its neighbors, Cambodia and Laos, were completely devastated, and the Vietnam War has been hailed as one of the worst conflicts in American history.

The first Gulf War, unlike the current one, actually had a plausible reason for it: Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. After passing a series of resolutions condemning Iraq, imposing economic sanctions, and authorizing the use of force by America and its allies, the UN Security Council set a deadline for withdrawal from Kuwait, which the Iraqis ignored. That set off Operation Desert Storm, which went on from Janurary 15 to March 2, 1991, after which hostilites were formally ended.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-09-11 at 18:07:41
I posted the same link twice? Ugh - I knew I should have restarted - paste wasn't working properly.

Actually, you didn't really start the Vietnam war, but you decided to get involved.

If I remember correctly (my knowledge of this area of history is terrible) then it was the French who first got involved. You decided to go help them out to maintain the balance of power in South-East Asia.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2004-09-11 at 18:10:30
I've heard the war on iraq was the first war we have ever started
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2004-09-11 at 18:18:08
The Vietnam War was actually the Second Indochina War; the First Indochina War, which was between France and Vietnam, lasted from December 1946 to July 1954 (Who here knows what happened at Dien Bien Phu?). After the French withdrew from Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh strengthened his Communist regime in the north, while Ngo Dinh Diem, the democratic president of South Vietnam, was barely holding his regime together. American involvement in Vietnam began in 1957 after the North Vietnamese began terrorizing the southerners; Diem requested help from America, and America's leaders accepted, primarily out of fear of the the spread of Communism in Southeast Asia, as mentioned before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2004-09-11 at 19:07:59
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I've heard the war on iraq was the first war we have ever started


Revolutionary War (1775)
War of 1812? (1812)
Mexican-American War (1846)
Civil War (1861)

Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq were not wars. They were military "police" actions in which we neither got the approval of Congress nor delcared war.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2004-09-11 at 19:15:43
Don't forget your imperialistic conquest of the natives!

I think you can be exempt from the Civil War though... it was a civil war after all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LeeJase on 2004-09-11 at 19:16:41
I don't give a *beep* who's gonna be the next president as long as it's not Bushy Boy ranting.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2004-09-11 at 19:21:52
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Revolutionary War (1775)
War of 1812? (1812)
Mexican-American War (1846)
Civil War (1861)

Vietnam, Korea, and Iraq were not wars.  They were military "police" actions in which we neither got the approval of Congress nor delcared war.
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You forgot the Spanish-American War (1898). That's the war where America gained control of Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Phillipines. Cuba was under the control of the American military until 1902, when it became independent; the Phillipines was an American colony until July 4, 1946, when Manuel Roxas became the first president of the Republic of the Philippines. America still has control over Guam and Puerto Rico.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2004-09-11 at 21:47:25
oooh have I ever told you guys my views? I want the most corrupt-able person to win! biggrin.gif Wait; let me defend
-he corrupts
-he does something stupid (ie: nulls the 10 amendments)
-he is almost impeached
-fails to be impeached
-the people overthrow the government
-new government set up; ideally socialism, but probably dictatorship
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