QUOTE(Snake)Ling @ May 12 2006, 04:56 PM)
I find your post insulting, as I am a Muslim. First of all, ISLAM DOES NOT SAY TO KILL OR DESTROY ALL "INFIDELS". What sort of basis would a Muslim have for killing a Christian or Jew? You believe in the exact same god as us, so you are not infidels. We are neither interested in killing anybody else, because we don't think God would like that. Seriously, could you shut the hell up? We believe in the same god as you do, yey certain christians, such as yourself, say we will go to hell. You say we do not accept Jesus as the savior, yet our book openly praises both Jesus and Moses as previous prophets of the book.
You're a reason I stay Muslim, you do not at all make me want to become Christian. Throwing hatred at my religion gives me no reason to change, it gives me basis to say your religion is actually lesser, if it has to resort to throwing hatred. Muslims are like anybody else, they are like Christians, like Hindus, like Jews. We eat, we sleep, we work, we entertain ourselves. We are people, just like you are. Yet, you throw hatred at people. I do not at all understand how throwing hate and prejudice at certain types of people is endorsed by the Bible.
Finally, the number is neither "six six six" nor "six hundred sixty six", it is six hundred, three score and six.
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First off: I don't worship the same God as you. You may think so, but it's not the same entity.
Second: Your book may
praise Moses and Jesus, but never says that Jesus was the Christ, but claims that he was only another prophet.
Third: About the whole 'infidel' thing. This comes straight from your holy book:
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* Sura 5:51 commands Muslims not to take Jews and Christians as friends.
* Sura 9:29 commands Muslims to fight against Jews and Christians until they either submit to Allah or else agree to pay a special tax.
* Sura 2:65-66 and Sura 5:60 contain references to Jews as “apes and swine to be despised and rejected.” (Think of that! You can be sure that such a statement did not come from the true God of this universe who selected the Jews to be His Chosen People.)
http://www.lamblion.com/New08.php (As are the rest of these quotes unless specified otherwise)
That right there claims that Muslims should not accept other religions, and it also supports why it would not be the same God.
I'm not saying that the Christian Bible doesn't have contradictions, as it was written by many people, but supposedly the Quran was written by Muhammed alone, yes?
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[T]he holy book of Islam is riddled with contradictions. Consider, for example, what it says about creation. In one place it asserts that Allah created everything in “the twinkling of an eye” (Sura 54:49-50). Elsewhere it says that the time period of the creation was two days (Sura 41:9, 12); four days (Sura 41:10); six days (Suras 7:54, 10:4, and 32:4); in “a day equaling 1,000 years” (Sura 32:5); and also in “50,000 years” (Sura 70:4). That’s a total of six different time periods!
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The Christian Bible does not have contradictions on this level. This is a flat out, 6-way contradiction.
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The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46). Nothing could be farther from the truth.7
The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40). Allah is unknowable whereas the God of the Bible is knowble (2 Timothy 1:12). Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7). Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48) whereas the God of the Bible is trinitarian (2 Corinthians 13:14). Here is what the Koran says about the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171): “Believe in Allah and say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son.”
Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284), whereas the true God is trustworthy. And Allah is never anywhere presented as a god of love — which is the essence of the nature of the true God (1 John 4:7-16).
The main differences are basically in personality and in 'number' (the trinity vs unitarian). The Christian God is trustworthy and loving. The Muslim God was 'never anywhere presented as a god of love'.
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The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).
This flat out denies that Jesus is God, or even the Son of God. It does, however, call him merely a prophet.
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There is no concept of sin in Islam and therefore no need for forgiveness. Shame replaces sin.
This also blatently disagrees with the Christian Bible, as sin is directly stated as wrong, not just shameful. Forgiveness is required, and Christ came for that.
Another
big difference is the way salvation is employed. Islam is a faith by works, primarily the Five Pillars.
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* Reciting the creed that there is one god, Allah, and his prophet is Muhammad.
* Praying five times a day toward Mecca.
* Giving alms to the poor.
* Fasting from sunrise to sunset one month a year during the month of Ramadan.
* Making a pilgrimage to Mecca.
Versus the Christian faith by faith (Excluding Catholicism. That could be classified as its own 'religion' as it differs greatly in beliefs of protestants). You accept Jesus as your Christ, your Saviour, and you will be accepted in heaven.
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Islam is so works oriented that it teaches that good deeds cancel bad ones (Sura 11:114). In contrast to all this emphasis on works, the true Word of God teaches that it is impossible to earn salvation because it is a gift of God’s grace that is received through faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior (Ephesians 2:8-10).
Islam = Works. Good cancels Bad
Christianity = Grace and Mercy. Nothing, humanly, can be done to prevent damnation.
I end my argument with a direct reply to the propose problem:
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The Koran itself preaches intolerance toward other religions. Sura 5 contains the following command: “Take not Jews and Christians for friends . . . He among you who takes them for friends is one of them . . . Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you [Jews and Christians] . . But keep your duty to Allah” (verses 51, 55, 57). Extreme intolerance is commanded in Sura 5:33 — “[For those who do not submit to Allah] their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land.”